Big Prices, A Missing Record & a Cutout Hole

Cliff JordanWas away for the weekend. Time to catch up on the jazz vinyl auctions I was watching on eBay:

Cliff Jordan, Blue Note 1565. This was an original pressing with the New York 23 labels on both sides. Nice. The record was listed in VG++ condition and the cover was VG+. There were 13 bids and it sold for $1,525.  In better condition it would certainly have broken the $2,000 barrier, as we have previously seen for this record in the Jazz Collector Price Guide.

This one did make it into the $2,000 bin, with plenty to spare: Tommy Flanagan Overseas, Prestige 7134. This was an original New York yellow label pressing listed in VG++ condition for the record and VG+ for the cover. It sold for $2,314.

Roy Haynes, Cracklin’ with Booker Ervin, New Jazz 8286. This was an original purple label pressing in M- condition for the record and the cover. It sold for $408.33. Anyone find my copy yet? I’m sure if I sold it (which, of course, I still don’t remember), it was not for more than $400.

Ray Bryant Trio, Prestige 7098. This was the one that was described in M- condition for the record and cover but had that super-annoying cutout hole right through the cover and the label. Never mind. It sold for $775.55

 

 

 

 

16 comments

  • Gregory the Fish

    seems the flanagan was bought by someone with no feedback as a buyer. quite the big start on ebay. hmmmm…

  • But Al, was the Haynes record really a 1st, when it seems to have no deep groove on Side 2…?

  • I was wondering that too. Not sure what to make of these early New Jazz records without DG on both sites.

  • Needless to ay that this Cracklin is an extremely beautiful session. I’d suggest anyone to listen to it (if not done already). Booker Ervin is sublime.

  • Bob Djukic lies in his descriptions, look at this Inc version of Blue Train which he calls 1st pressing. There’s not even deep grooves ffs:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/351044711417

    He knows that this isn’t a 1st, I get mad about this shit. Why would he lie..? He’s unprofessional. People without a clue might get fooled. Unacceptable.

  • My observation is that Bob chooses to actively engage in the DG debate if an ear is present. In other words, if it has an ear, and the label is accurate, he will default to the statement that it is a First Pressing regardless of whether or not it is DG. Fred C., Leon L. or others may of course choose to disagree.

  • But it has inc as well. It’s not an accurate label.

  • It’s also a VG at best…

  • While the DG debate may be relevant (I personally think it is not – DG on a 1577 is definitely an indicator of originality, while being less so on later releases), unquestionably the “r” and inc seal the deal as indicating a later pressing – Personally, I am very surprised at this listing – I’ve always thought that Djukic hypes his listings unmercifully and goes way overboard as such, I had not heretofore seen a listing so blatantly false – shame on you Bob

  • BTW, did you all see the e-mail from LondonJazzCollector, giving much deserved credit to this site “for the valuable work they do and excellent forum they provide”

    Hear hear!!

  • Cracklin NJ 8286 : What about the never ending problem of NJ´s background noice according to the bad vinyl qualities Bob Weinstock used for production. I think he was the greatest nicle nurser ! I never buy a NJ without statement about noice…

  • Horsti62; From my experience, the New Jazz pressed with a large Deep Groove (the earlier titles) have no backing noise problem. The second press / or first with a narrower DG often have background noise. The later press (or repress) without DG have noise most of the time.

    Earl : i found all Bob Jukic’s listing ambiguous but somewhat smart. This Blue Train is suprising because it is completely false, but not smart.

  • Michel is right: a broad DG is a sign of unspoiled vinyl. Narrow, or absence of, DG may be an indicator of recycled vinyl. A subjective criterium is the very colour of the label. I cannot describe it, but I see in the shade of violet whether a first or second pressing.

  • My best playing New Jazz record is a copy of Eric Dolphy out there with no deep groove. I do think its a later press though.

  • Mike, I have one of those. Mine has a “Prestige” label on the record itself, and I believe the first edition “Out There” has the “New Jazz” label on the record. I looked it up once (and I now cannot find the source) and I think what I read mentioned this particular issue came out in 1962.

    And, it does sound very nice.

  • My luck with purple New Jazz labels is rotten. Even the earliest wider DG labels have surface noise that is unacceptable for me.

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