Comments on: A Hot and Heavy Threesome

By: Paul

Paul — Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:55:45 +0000

Riverside: Short of having proof, consensus determines what constitutes a first press. White label deep groove = first press. White label non-deep groove = who knows??

By: Woody

Woody — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:42:37 +0000

Justin – If you haven’t read this yet, you’re in for a treat.

https://londonjazzcollector.wordpress.com/record-labels-guide/labelography-2/larry-the-plastylite-guy/

By: Justin

Justin — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:40:32 +0000

@hardbopster I’d consider this a first pressing, but I’m not sure how most collectors feel about this. I’m with Martin that the assumptions and language around “first pressing” are problematic, especially with albums that were continually in print.

It seems we also assume a first pressing run for Riverside, Blue Note, etc. was always done on a single machine, rather than concurrently on multiple machines. We know Plastylite had around a half-dozen presses: did they always press a title on one press, or depending on their work load, did they sometimes have multiple machines working on the same title to get it out the door faster? Multiple record presses would potentially mean multiple DG combinations.

Unfortunately, records aren’t like books where there’s a numbering convention for identifying a first edition, first pressing., etc. Absent that, I think we have to apply a little leeway in what we consider a first pressing.

By: Richard

Richard — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:30:12 +0000

I agree with Mark – I have never seen a UK EMI / HMV / Columbia LP with a promo stamped sleeve, and I have seen thousands of them.

Admittedly 99% of those have been classical, but I would bet they were all pressed and distributed by exactly the same process.

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:12:47 +0000

It’s still a good chunk of change! I still doubt the legitimacy of that promo stamp on the back cover..at least I’ve never seen that on a Lansdowne before.

By: Clifford Allen

Clifford Allen — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:10:32 +0000

somebody got a good deal on the Mike Taylor. Surprised it didn’t go higher.

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:06:20 +0000

Martin, an 80 year old friend of mine used to talk to Orrin on the phone periodically and Orrin told him that 800 copies were pressed but perhaps his (or Orrin’s) memory was fuzzy.

One more thing to take into consideration – how many labels in 1957 were non-DG? I can think of Capitol but not too many others.

By: Martin Kelly

Martin Kelly — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:01:25 +0000

Mark, I think that quote about the figure of 800 being the pressing run is potentially inaccurate. In his book The View From the Within, Orrin Keepnews states “By the end of 1957, a full year after it was issued, total sales had barely reached 800 copies!”. So I think this is potentially the source of the 800 figure but you can see it refers to sales and not pressing numbers.

By: japhy

japhy — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:31:09 +0000

To be honest, Al, I think the current headline is the one you’ll look back and grimace upon. Personally, I love it!

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 15:43:20 +0000

I can’t imagine a pressing run of 800 being split between two factories..