Comments on: Are You Ready for the $6,000 Bin?

By: Rudolf

Rudolf — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:57:50 +0000

P.S. of course I should mention the greenish tint of the front.

By: Rudolf

Rudolf — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:55:56 +0000

Aaron/Paul:
My 1577 has the title in a brownish tint and ‘blue note 1577’ in grey. The labels are 47W63 without ‘R’ and Blue Note without Inc. on the labels and on the rear of the sleeve.
I would have thought this configuration to be the first original.

By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 02:05:04 +0000

Aaaron, I’m not sure, but what you describe does not correspond to first or second art for this release.

Rudolf, I completely agree.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 06:50:45 +0000

My copy (with 47 West 63rd NYC with INC labels) has “INC” following BLUE NOTE RECORDS on the back of the jacket yet the cover has a more green(ish) tint and the title is grey rather than white. How does this fit in?

By: Rudolf

Rudolf — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 06:11:55 +0000

Paul: interesting observations. It is quite logic that a record company, when sales are stagnating, decide for an extra booster and distribute a few promos to frîendly radio stations.
I confirm that this was a second sleeve print for the reasons you gave. A third version was the non laminated sleeve at the end of the life cyclus with NY labels.

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 02:27:50 +0000

Dan, the original cover has a more green(ish) tint and the title is grey rather than white. I had an email conversation with Fred Cohen about this, and he confirmed that this is a second cover. My guess is that this listing was a mix n’ match of cover, record, and paper sleeve.

Another possibility, which I discussed with Fred, is that promo-stamped records are not always from the first run. I suggested this some time ago, in the course of a discussion of a promo-stamped BLP-1568 that did not have a NY23 label.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:20:32 +0000

I’ve heard contradicting views regarding the tint of the original cover being more deep blue or pale blue. Regardless, all original covers will lack the “INC” after BLUE NOTE RECORDS on the back, like this one.

By: Dan

Dan — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 18:40:09 +0000

Curious about Paul’s observation of this not being an original cover. For the sake of learning, how is it determined to not be original, if that is the case?

By: Shaft

Shaft — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:08:40 +0000

Yes what is said about European collections are true. Sometimes there surfaces some really extraordinary collections. About 6 or 7 years ago there was a local collection of more or less the whole Blue Note range both monos and stereos from a serious collector in Stockholm who started early. All in EX or better.

It was crazy.

A local shop purchased the collection after a bidding scenario and put the best stuff out in record fares (Jönköping) and some stuff in the shop. I bought some but I was not ready for the heavy hitters at that time.

By: bill

bill — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 02:46:56 +0000

I think I have to agree with Woody here although my experience is also anecdotal. I first opened my used record store in the 70s. I carried all types of music, not just jazz, and in hindsight I must confess to being extremely ignorant about the finer points of reading labels and dead wax. My main criteria was is it in or out of print. Could you get it at the Tower Records across the street or not.
We soon experienced what every used store does. We were visited by dealers from all over the world (including the US), and while they were always quite polite, it was up to us to learn from what they were buying and what they were paying, except when it came to Jazz. A Japanese dealer handed me a thick folder of titles including data on the labels and RVG stamps (and in the case of Blue Note the p or ear stamp). He also had a price next to each piece as to what he would pay. The only stipulation was they had to be in excellent condition. I still have the folder somewhere, and while the prices would seem quaint today, at the time, they were revelatory. Leon and the LA dealers would not pay those prices. The only ones besides the Japanese were the English and Europeans dealers and (mostly) foreign collectors. I would say well over 75% or all our collectable Jazz went overseas. We set up a separate room for collectors items and it became one of our trademark attractions.