Back on eBay: Lee, Bird, Newk and Mr. PC
It’s been days since we caught up on eBay, so let’s take a look and see what’s been going on:
There was this one that came close to the $1,000 bin: Lee Morgan Sextet, Blue Note 1541. This was an original Lexington Avenue pressing that was listed in VG++ condition for the vinyl and VG+ for the cover. It sold for $919.
We were also watching a bunch of records from the seller bobjdukic, which is always an interesting pastime. In a way you have to admire his ability to promote a 1978 Savoy reissue of Charlie Parker as an original and get someone to pay a fairly decent collectible price. Case in point: Charlie Parker, The Complete Savoy Studio Sessions, a boxed set issued in 1978 by Arista Records. This sold for $112.50. This one seemed to get a fair price: Sonny Rollins With the Modern Jazz Quartet, Prestige 7029. This was a New York pressing with the yellow cover. An original first press would have the orange cover and the kakubshi cover. This one seems to
have the second cover, but it is a New York pressing and as close to an original as you can get. It was in M- condition for the record and VG++ for the cover. It sold for $305. This was an original Lexington Avenue pressing from the same seller that squeaked into the $1,000 bin: Paul Chambers, Whims of Chambers, Blue Note 1534. The vinyl was in VG++ condition and the cover was VG++ as well. It sold for $1,000 on the nose. I’m sure there are skeptics among our readers who would be suspicious, no?
Speaking of that “kakubushi frame” cover on the Sonny Rollins, Prestige 7029… Does anyone happen to know what the last original Prestige album known to have this type of cover was ?
…Just curious.
My copy of “Whim of Chambers BN1534 ” is definitely a second press, as it bears a Lex label on Side 1 but a 47W63rd on side 2. However in contrast to the four-figure price tag here, it set me back a little over $120.
OK its not Tutenkhamen Rammasses II, but it sounds damn good, and its not a 70’s blue Label white b reissue.
I do wonder what some of these collectors are on. Its the music, dammit.
Don-Lucky. I think Rudolf mentioned it in the comments on one of the posts. If you have time, which I don’t right now, perhaps you can do a search on kakubushi and see if it’s there.
“a 7o’s blue label white b reissue”-London Calling,now why’d you have to bring those up for?-ugh! :<
Thanks Al… I think I found it:
https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/watching-ebay-blue-train-sonny-plus-four/
It looks like Prestige’s last kakubushi covers were around the 7041/7042 mark based on the comments in the JC link above.
Ceedee: if I’d known the thought of those UA reissues would cause such bad memories, I’d have upped the ante to, say, Capitol/ Manhattan DMM’s 😉
re bobjdukic
This seller has a very loyal customer base who are willing to spend generously to purchase his items. He offers a generous discount when you exceed a certain amount of money spent during his listings. He may not give absolute expert descriptions but it is hard to say that he is dishonest.
I will say, that I purchased a number of very rare Free Jazz/European Improvisation LPs from him a couple years ago and the grading, packaging, communication and shipping time were fantastic. No, I have no relation to him or his business, haha.
OK now, folks, I know that Al has spent an article on the kakubushi covers before (here) and I have read it again but I can still not make sense out of it. Can someone please explain -slowly and in simple kiddie English- what a kakubushi cover stands for. I have read the stories about the fold, the Japanese meaning of a framed picture, non-laminated covers, etc, etc. But what lacks, is a clear comparison, with photos of a kakubushi and a non-kakubushi cover, not to mention that covers can be hannan and non-hannan. A picture says more than a thousand words folks, us rookies can learn a ton from pics with explanation from the experienced cats instead of reading about it, simply because reading about it alone is not going to do the trick. Reading about the ‘ear’ or the pretzel shaped ‘P’ from Plastilyte in the run out groove, reading about the deep groove in a label, etc, etc, that’s easy. But in this case I’d say: photos please! 😉
Mattyman, The Netherlands.
don-lucky:
see my comment of today to dottorjazz.
I checked Prestige from # 7050 until and incl. # 7067. After # 7053 none is kakubuchi, so it seems that # 7053 may well be the very last to have been issued with a kakubuchi cover.
Al: you have an original 7038 – S.R. + 4. Is it kakubuchi?
Thanks for checking on that one for me Rudolf ! …I was beginning to have a slight panic attack regarding a few Prestige LP’s in my collection.
This is a long-shot, but does anyone happen to know anything about ‘Kakubuchi’ covers on Clef 10″ records ???
p.s. – I think Mattyman is onto something. It would certainly be a great resource for the site to have photo examples to go along with our extensive “lexicon” of definitions for all those distinctive manufacturing characteristics we use to identify and gauge record pressings for reference.
Mattyman : the kakubishi has a large overlapping on the pasted on the front of the cover. The on Kakubuchi has not. In fact, on non Kakubucchi the large overlapping is on the back. Blue Note kakubuchi are the real first press on some lexington. But you an find kakubuchi on other labels, Prestige, and Atlantic. Atlantic have kakubuchi laminated covers.
contact me (through my blog, by clicking on my name) and i will send you pictures !!!
Don-Lucky, I couldn’t agree with you more. Fact is that I, as an avid collector of seventies funk, eventually ended up here at Jazzcollector, simply because I started looking for original 1st Blue Note pressings on vinyl to add to my Blue Note CD collection. Thanks to the comments from the “old cats”, I have learned a great deal about labels, addresses and what is to be found in the run out grooves. Since those things are easy to find out by yourself, it ain’t a big deal. But here I can read about kakubuchi/hannan until my eyes pop out, but one has to have an image to get things straight sometimes. I do have a few Lexington Ave originals, and just to know if they’re kakubuchi or not is important to me. So yes, let’s have photo examples to expand the lexicon! 😉
And to Michel: I will contact you through your blog, so hopefully things will be clear to me shortly! 😀
Thanks y’all,
Mattyman, The Netherlands.
rudolf:s rollins plus 4 prestige 7038 is kakubuchi (top,left and bottom).unlaminated.
dottorjazz: that is interesting. although, logically, this is what could be expected.
dottorjazz: just a thought, could one say that kakubuchi is uncompatible with lamination?
Re the 446/447 Prestige street adress question: I have often asked myself the same question, but never took the effort to analyse in detail. Sometimes I even wondered if it is not the same physical adress (building). Ira Gitler or another witness of early Prestige could shed some light on it.
In the meantime, since you already started an analysis, could you complete it up to 7141? Certainly willing to assist for any missing ones in your collection.
Just a suggestion – Flickr could be used to host a Blue Note Records group to share photos of these artefacts. I don’t know how to set up a group (yet) There isn’t a core group for Blue Note, though there are masses of photos from Blue Note recent concerts. Or possibly a “Jazz Collector” Group.
As a tryout, Ive put up two screen-captures I made from Google Earth, of 47 West 63rd Street, New York, as close as I could get to The Iconic Address.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19121992@N00/
Its on a personal Flickr photostream but interested to know if it works in principle. It might be better way to share Jazz-related photos than private emails?
Sounds great, London Calling. Personally I prefer to use my own Picasa options in Gmail, but that’s just to share pics of what I have in my own collection. This is going to be continued I guess, but I like the ideas shared here!
Mattyman
dottorjazz: noticed that all the 10″ Prestige and New Jazz albums have the 446 street number.
dottorjazz: noticed that the first pressing of 7020 (kakubuchi, unlaminated with pink colouring) has 446 on the rear, whereas the second pressing (laminated, no kakubuchi, green colouring) has 447 on the rear.
my last 446 is 7054,m davis blue haze.from 7055 c brown memorial on I’ve 447 only.my theory is that all numbers up to 7054 should have 446 address.this is no absolute truth for various reasons:no one seems to know why prestige made this change,only on covers,mantaining 446 on all labels up to 7141,last New York issue.I could have been unfortunate in not finding 446 from 7055,c brown memorial onwards.And may have occurred a transitional period in 1956,as for Blue Note.I’m sure about these numbers:04,05,07,12,13,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,32,35,38,43,50,54.I think interesting that we all check our Prestige for complete knowledge.
rudolf:what about this one
l konitz quintet (side 1)
l tristano quintet (side 2)
new jazz njlp 101
yellow label with blue lettering,flat edge
address on label:782 8th ave.N.Y.C. 19
cover with same address and blank back
I found this in Baltimora in 2001
Thanks for dropping by Mattyman – I use Picasa myself for sharing family photos, but something a little more “hands off” like Flickr might do the job with less effort that has “Public Access”. All it takes is the ability to upload a picture, and the facility to make comments
I have expanded on the creative writing side to illustrate how a shared photo site for Jazz Collector might work
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19121992@N00/with/5104818947/
London Calling, I just saw the photos. By flipping through all of them I have to agree with you that Flickr is best for the purposes that we have in mind. Indeed it makes comments possible and the public character of it makes it much more accessible. Love the comments here and there, especially the one where you state that a Japanese record collector might commit Hara-kiri for simply scratching his vinyl. That one made me chuckle. 🙂 Last but not least, and this is by no means meant to sound mean, but does your camera support macro photos and auto stabilisation? ‘Cause these options improve the readability of text printed on paper and make extreme close ups less grainy. Anyway, love the photos and I guess that’s exactly what we’ve been talking about these last couple of days. Let’s now see who’ll cough up the first comprehensive photo/text report about the infamous kakubuchi subject! 😉
Mattyman
dottorjazz: great stuff. I had this one in a later version. The adress of your copy reminds me of the adress of Roost records, looks to be the same. Maybe Teddy Reig and Bob Weinstock shared office and storage space.
Mattyman – no offence taken, I have never tried “pack shots” before, and my tripod is presently 1500 miles away in France.
My lenses cover focal ranges from infinity down to around 1 metre, which is absolutely no use for this purpose. Depth of field in natural light is too shallow even at 3200 ASA (that “flat edge” shot is dreadful, I agree)
Ive been considering buying a macro lens for some time. This could be the push I need, thanks!
London Calling, I understand and being away from cherished photo equipment when you need it the most is a big pain. Still I wouldn’t say that the flat edge pic is dreadful, because it clearly shows a flat edge. The fact that it’s on the grainy side doesn’t take away the fact that it at least shows one of those details that everyone is always looking for. Point was and point is, that sharing good photo material is very helpful when talking about “collector’s item details” 😉
Then the art of photographing “pack shots” or, in our case, album covers. May I recommend to you and all other visitors, to read this tutorial about “How To Make Pictures Of Record Covers”? Believe me, it’s worth your while! And last but not least, London Calling: using my simple Sony DSC-W350’s macro option usually does the trick pretty well and saves me the hassle of pulling out the Nikon! 😉
Enjoy your lazy Sunday,
Mattyman
Whoa just stumbled on this blog. Not really sure what to say but I have a lot of rare jazz stuff I can share pics of.