Comments on: Back to the Bridge and a Rare Blue Note https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/ For those who love jazz Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:47:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Mac https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449191 Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:47:19 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449191 So, to JerryM’s question, a W. 50th with safety lip should be considered a 2nd pressing, and Bergenfield a 3rd pressing? Any consensus from the peanut gallery on this point?

]]> By: Woody https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449162 Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:57:15 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449162 Shaft: I agree with you on the Not For Sale stamp probably not being an indicator of being from the beginning of a press run. Prestige promo’s were just stock copies that were hand stamped at their office as they were being sent out as needed.

]]> By: Shaft https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449158 Tue, 07 Nov 2017 07:54:23 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449158 Caroline: I think your analysis is spot on. Just a variation of blue. The Miles cover are very different in color but maybe more importantly the text Font is not the same as you point out. Well done.
Woody: Interesting that my Blue SaxCol has the flat rim (and not your copy).

Regarding the Not for sale stamps – you would be inclined to think that they were added to the first pressing run (flat edge etc) but apparently not. Maybe it was pressed at different plants at roughly the same time and one took care of the promo copies and the other for resale? Who knows? The Bergenfields are later though….

]]> By: JerryM https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449155 Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:47:09 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449155 Yes, interesting stuff… My W. 50th M- Colossus with safety lip has the Not For Sale stamp on the label but not on the blue variant cover. Does this make it a second pressing and a Bergenfield label a third pressing? Not that I particularly care given the pristine condition and sound.

]]> By: Caroline Somerset https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449154 Mon, 06 Nov 2017 18:48:20 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449154 Woody: It is *SUPER* interesting to see those two Colossus covers side by side – many, many thanks. To me, these are the same, but just a variant blue based on the dye lot used to create the cover, and not a true color screen differential – as in the two Miles ‘New Quintet’ LP’s you’re referring to (I have that Miles LP in both the green screen and blue screen cover variants, and as you know, they’re completely different animals – no mistaking them for one another – aside from the font in the upper right corner which is the real giveaway). Very best, C x

]]> By: Woody https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449153 Mon, 06 Nov 2017 17:55:51 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449153 Shaft: One of the reasons I thought the W. 50th SaxCol Blue\Green cover was the first is that my copy has the flat rim as my Blue cover lp has the lip. Both copies are VG- at best but as a photographer variations in cover art facinated me(to satisfy my inner geekness).
Rudolf: The color difference for the W. 50th SaxCol cover is isn’t as great as the Miles cover but when placed side to side……

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]]> By: Shaft https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449149 Mon, 06 Nov 2017 13:21:32 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449149 Caroline: Thanks 😉 Sorry I was unclear. I know about the FE for SaxCol but I was wondering if the one copy sold in this ebay auction that we were discussing was indeed FE?

In my experience many times sellers forget to mention or think it is unsignificant. I’ve seen many with safety lip that are marketed as original 1st pressing – at least locally.

]]> By: Caroline Somerset https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449148 Mon, 06 Nov 2017 13:08:49 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449148 Shaft: All original 446 West 50 Saxophone Colossus are flat edge, as they were pressed in 1956. The change from Flat Edge to Safety Lip occurred in/around July 1957…. C

]]> By: Shaft https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449147 Mon, 06 Nov 2017 09:49:37 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449147 I’d like to know if this SaxCol was flat edge. It does not say in description. My copy has Flat E and the “bluer tint” cover and original onion skin inner. I’m not sure if it really matters with the greenish or blueish. Personally I like the blue from an estethic viewpoint.

]]> By: Rudolf https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/back-to-the-bridge-and-a-rare-blue-note/comment-page-1/#comment-449146 Sun, 05 Nov 2017 21:54:08 +0000 http://jazzcollector.com/?p=7722#comment-449146 I was vaguely aware of different shades of blue on the Colossus cover, later issues having a clearer blue, but the difference is minor, unlike # 7014 which switches from green on the first issue to blue on the N.J. issue. Or do I miss something concerning the Colossus?
Al raises the interesting point of 12″ albums definitely having the upper hand versus any 10″ issue, irrespective whether they have been re-issued on 12″ or not. E.g. the rare 10″ Mobley quartet album on Blue Note 5066, which was never re-issued on 12″, lags behind legitimate 12″ Mobley’s showing up quite regularly and still fetching top prices. Afro-Cuban, the 12″ re-issue beats the original 10″, but has the bonus of an extra side with unissued material.

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