Comments on: Bethlehem Beauties, Blue Note, Warhol (Again)

By: dottorjazz

dottorjazz — Tue, 10 May 2011 20:28:52 +0000

back to deep groove war: we know there are two different schools.
1- Allan Songer: first pressing granitically no dg after 4058
2- Fred Cohen/ Larry Cohn: double dg, one sided dg, no dg in a very articulated description. Doubts and unsolved questions stated by Fred himself (please see his book).
Let’s consider 4069 which exists:
W63i double dg
W63i no dg
NYC side one/W63i no dg
NYC side one/W63i double dg
NYC double dg
Excluding the 3 last variations the match is between two issues on the ring: a double sided deep groove vs a completely no deep groove
Now his companion 4070:
W63i double dg
W63i side one/NYC side two dg (info Maarten Kools)
NYC side one/W63i side two no dg (info Aaron)
curiously missing for this last one W63i no dg, but it could only be I haven’t found it yet.
If anyone’s got this version please let me know, ’cause I’m collecting info for Blue Note variants.
And the winner is ………
up here we have different opinions: Katharsis and Aaron vote for Songer.
and you ?

By: BigBear

BigBear — Tue, 10 May 2011 20:10:45 +0000

Robert:

Take a peek at this link froma previous posting re: Blue Note Deep Grooves. This is not consistent with Fred Cohen’s book. Larry Cohn is another Blue Note expert and you can now understand the reasons why post 4059 there is some difference of opinion on this.

http://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/blue-note-deep-groove-all-you-need-to-know/

By: Mike

Mike — Tue, 10 May 2011 15:59:09 +0000

Robert, I think there are a few instances where the truth will never be known. For me, Fred’s book challenged some conventional wisdom that I’ve read on the internet at least since around 97 that all DG pressings after 4059 are NOT first pressings. I know that if asked Fred could provide a reason for this on each individual one. The reason I’ve always seen from the people that believe that all after 4059 should not have DG was that Plastylite changed out the equipment and ceased to use the old equipment(that stamped with a DG) on all pressings after 4059. While this makes since I could see it as not being 100% accurate although I have no proof. So at this stage I think it’s who you want to believe.

By: Robert

Robert — Tue, 10 May 2011 02:47:17 +0000

Aaron
According to the Blue Note guru, Frederick Cohen, copies after Kenny Drew BN 4059 “first pressings” have deep grooves either on both sides or only one side. What is the truth? My Blue Note life is becoming too complex. I yearn for the good old days when the argument was solely about the music.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Mon, 09 May 2011 23:21:54 +0000

Maarten,
Strange indeed, my copy of BN 4070 labels are side one New York and side two 63rd with no deep groove on either.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Mon, 09 May 2011 23:16:18 +0000

First pressing Blue Notes after Kenny Drew Undercurrent BN 4059 did not have a deep groove.

By: dottorjazz

dottorjazz — Mon, 09 May 2011 20:32:34 +0000

hi Katharsis, why BN 4069 should have no deep groove ?

By: maarten kools

maarten kools — Thu, 05 May 2011 21:35:09 +0000

i have vol2 of the Turrentine album (bn4070)
it’s a strange one: side one 63rd, side two New york usa, but both sides deep groove
they play summertime on this album, always nice and i like their version of come rain come shine, but indeed, nothing special..

By: don-lucky

don-lucky — Thu, 05 May 2011 18:38:23 +0000

Hi Rudolf, since we have you on line, any thoughts on that Prestige address over-printing issue mentioned earlier this week in the Reader Forum by any chance ? (third post from the top)Thanks again !

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 05 May 2011 16:58:32 +0000

Thanks Rudolph. I’ll save my money then.