Comments on: Bidding, Losing & Bidding Again

By: dottorjazz

dottorjazz — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:22:28 +0000

As Michel,I can confirm last flat edge Lee Morgan Vol.3,BN 1557.
I have another info,not confirmed:1551,1552,1555,1556:no flat edge.
Can someone make light on this ?
Thanks.

By: Jan

Jan — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:02:17 +0000

Does anybody know exactly which pressig was the first pressing without a flat edge ? BN 15..?

By: maarten kools

maarten kools — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:53:49 +0000

sounds nice , Erich… i am looking forward to see some of those covers!

By: Erich Schultz

Erich Schultz — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:16:29 +0000

Al, I would be happy to write a guest article on jazz 45 RPM’s. I have around 1,000 in my collection, and I have many displayed in my record room. I started collecting them for the cardboard sleves, and because many are in the Pacific Jazz series that pictorially matched the 10″ records issued in the early-mid 1950’s that I also have. Although I live in the San Francisco Bay area I have acquired most in LA where my two children live. So, I will try to put something together and send it to you.

By: Mattyman

Mattyman — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:04:35 +0000

Hello everybody, since I wasn't able to find a real forum here to register, I decided to leave this comment. I recently became a regular visitor of the site. Now I'm 38 years old and I can't afford the originals that are so frequently discussed here. So let me tell you, that collecting the Blue Note CDs is just as much fun! :-) I have a lot in my CD cabinet, but Blue Note remains my favourite. Still I devour all stories here on the site, about the auctions but also about the J.R. Monterose acetates from a few days ago. I'd love to own them or -if I could- reissue them. Now, thankfully it's not all CDs in my collection, since I do own two Blue Notes on vinyl. Blue Train by John Coltrane and Volume 2 by Miles Davis and I bought them about two months ago on a flee market. I do not want to sell them since they're precious to me. But I'm only human and of course I'm curious what the professional 'regulars' of this site think about them. I can read the price guide to the hilt, but I can't really grade a cover or a record. I have read about the 'ear' in the dead wax, the addresses, etc etc. Still I would like to ask you all to look at the photos that I made and maybe give me a honest opinion about these two cherished gems that I have. You can click HERE to see the photos. I paid 40 Euro (about $50,=) for Miles and 5 Euro (about $6,=) for John. The records play with a little bit of surface noise, but that's about it. They are clean. The dust speckles in the photos are basically the only few on the records. Was this a good purchase and can I call myself the proud owner of two real Blue Note originals? Looking forward to hearing from you! Sincerely, Mattyman, The Netherlands.

By: maarten kools

maarten kools — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:37:36 +0000

i agree with Max.
Original should be made in BN/liberty times..
First pressing should mean…HA!: first pressing, quite simple..the first run of that album.
But i have the idea a lot of people are paying high prices, while they don’t exactly know what they are buying: You need a list besides your computer with all the info on first pressings per album to be shure…

Also the ’emotion’- aspect: i agree with Max, first pressing is most desirable but almost to expensive, so for me to a second or third pressing from that period or a liberty is nice too. (as long as it has a RVG, wich most of the 2nd and liberty monos have) And yes, those EMI,pathe,dmm etc are horrible, and i am not talking about sound but about the ‘feel’ of a cover ,disc or label.
For me the last run from japan (alfred lion 100th anniversary batch) have the most beautifull reissue covers: thick shiny and beautifull deep photoprinting, beautifull pasted backsides).It is made by people who care about history and the quality of their produkt.
But the ‘Classic Records” series from now have the most beautifull reissue label:exactly the same as original including deep groove and missing”r”.
So if i have a 1,2 or Liberty pressing i have the feeling i really own the album. But with a emi,pathe or dmm etc i feel i still haven’t got that album…….yes it is all lovely nonsens!

By: dottorjazz

dottorjazz — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:30:43 +0000

absolutely agree with robert:original must be first pressing.all others “originals” should be called by their real name:reissues.
on ebay now: “hank mobley on blue note 1550 original NY23 mono DG ear”.
but there’s something missing.Which I asked:
no flat edge
a beautiful almost original copy,desirable,old enough but no interest for me:not original first pressing,currently 609.99 and reserve not met.

By: ceedee

ceedee — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:26:30 +0000

I’d have to agree with the perspective presented by Max re:”original”. All you need do is listen to-and,if possible, hold in your hands-a DMM(yuk!),Pathe,Emi,etc,pressing. NONE of them compare favorably to even a Liberty mono pressing of ANY BN session. Yeah,a ‘first-run’ is always preferable(ca-ching!),but those early 60’s NY mono lps are nothing to sneer at. Get em’ while you can…

By: Max

Max — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:42:19 +0000

In regards to BN’s, I’ve always thought that an “original” pressing referred to 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd runs from the 50’s/60’s. Pretty much anything with an NY label. There are so many interesting points in BN history that are exemplified by these various original pressings. My copy of 4123 is a NY mono, probably 2nd or 3rd run, but I still find the same nostalgic fascination holding a piece of history. On the contrary, I have a recent anniversary japanese stereo copy of 4123 that holds a different type of sentiment. Part of what makes vinyl such an attractive hobby for me is the high degree of personal influence. Going on about the term original though, an album that came out on BN/div-liberty in the 70’s can also be considered “original” relative to the time it came out. What i would distinguish apart from an “original” are all of the later French, DMM, Scorpio, EMI pressings etc…

By: Robert

Robert — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:45:27 +0000

What is the meaning of “original” Blue Note pressing ? In my world it is either a “first pressing or it isn”t. The original pressing concept is solely a marketing tool used by unscrupulous sellers. A 1564 Blue Note without the ear can never be a first pressing and selling it as an “original” Blue Note is the epitome of shysterism.