Comments on: Bird, Dial, Blue Note And Fillers for the $1,000 Bin https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/ For those who love jazz Thu, 27 Dec 2018 17:44:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: JRock https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450374 Thu, 27 Dec 2018 17:44:23 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450374 Rudolf – you’re welcome. Even the oldest dog can learn new tricks 😉

]]> By: Rudolf https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450373 Thu, 27 Dec 2018 15:48:47 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450373 JRock, thank you for your comments which leave no doubt as to what actually happened more 60 years ago.

]]> By: JRock https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450371 Thu, 27 Dec 2018 03:20:49 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450371 Rudolf – Merry Christmas to you as well! Jutta Hipp Vol. 2 at Hickory House was originally released later and out of sequence with a non-laminated jacket without front frame construction and a safety notch top middle. This is the same type of jacket construction that you reference in relation to your copy of Jutta Hipp and Zoot Sims 1530. The earliest version of the jacket for 1530 is the kakubushi frame construction with no safety notch. I own a copy with the kakubushi jacket and have seen both types of jacket construction for this release.

]]> By: Rudolf https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450370 Tue, 25 Dec 2018 08:00:04 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450370 I am not very much into Blue Note, Prestige and Vogue being my fields of predilection. Still was wondering about the Jutta Hipp qnt with Zoot. My copy is Lex, sleeve and lbls, ears etc, but the safety knob cover and no kakubushi. I have not yet spotted a Hipp qnt with frame cover.
Btw, many years ago I sold one of the Hickory House Hipp trio albums, which was Lex all the way. But I seem to remember this one was not kakubushi either.
Happy Christmas to all of you.

]]> By: Woody https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450369 Tue, 25 Dec 2018 05:01:35 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450369 I agree with Aaron, Blue Note, as far as current research holds, the “frame” covers were only produced once. When the “fake” Lex, 63rd St. pressings were produced as Blue Note was sold to Liberty Records they used current card stock at that time and didn’t attempt to reproduce the “frame” covers. Besides not having an Ear/P if you check the cardboard inside the jacket compared to an original it’s different stock.
I apologize for the ramble, filled with Christmas wine and all, Happy Holidays everyone!

]]> By: Aaron https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450368 Mon, 24 Dec 2018 17:21:26 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450368 rl1586, what makes the Monterose jacket notable is the “frame” construction, which to my knowledge, is only found on first 767 Lex pressings and the DiskUnion replica reissues. There is no question about the record being original.

]]> By: rl1856 https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450366 Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:07:16 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450366 Sorry, but all we have is the precision of language to facilitate communication between individuals. When words cease to mean what they are supposed to mean, all kinds of things will break down sooner or later. We see this on the grand stage…..and now within a hobby. The most common definition of “original” is “present or existing from the beginning; first or earliest.” Within this narrow definition there exists no support for claiming a latter pressing is an “original” but from a different era. The word original is directly related to the first example, not a subsequent facsimile. For a seller to use the word “original”, with knowledge of its meaning, but then say the item may have been produced later is disingenuous at best, and probably intended to deflect responsibility if a buyer later claims to have been deceived. The inclusion of a disclaimer negates the use of the word “original” in this context. Consider if more sellers acted like this. What do you think will happen to the on line market for LPs (or any other collectible) ? ,

With specific regard to the Montrose LP, I see an “ear” (last photo), and if one compares photos of the labels to photos of the labels in the DU reissue, one would see a clear difference in the placement of the deep groove and placement of musician listings. Seller makes the unambiguous claim that the LP contains a “flat edge” and an “ear”. Are there other indicators that would point to this LP being an original as defined above, or a later pressing ?

The seller states that the cover may be a later version. Are there early DG 47th street LPs with Lexington covers floating around ? The seller is in Germany. Is it possible that the cover was created in Europe in period ?

]]> By: japhy https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450357 Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:05:54 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450357 Fire back up the “original pressing” vs. “first pressing” debate! Personally, I am OK with this guy calling it “original” because in today’s reissue-flooded market, that is an “original” pressing (that is, being of the original vintage era, as opposed to a current or recent pressing.) Of course it could be argued that a 2018-pressed Blue Note is also an “original” Blue Note – it’s just an original modern-day reissue. So no, it’s not a “first press”, but he doesn’t claim it is. He says it’s an original Blue Note NYC press, which it is. I know it becomes a question of whether an uneducated buyer would be misled, but I don’t think this cat is being intentionally misleading. That’s how I play it in my mind, anyway. Carry on.

]]> By: Scott Lowrey https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450352 Thu, 20 Dec 2018 17:49:26 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450352 Yeah I also noticed it wasn’t an original as advertised. I was looking to add this record to my collection but yeah I would not want my only copy to be a misprint.

]]> By: cellery https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/bird-dial-blue-note-and-fillers-for-the-1000-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-450351 Thu, 20 Dec 2018 08:54:39 +0000 https://jazzcollector.com/?p=8084#comment-450351 Yeah, looks like no ear, even. No way is anyone paying anywhere close to 400 bucks for that. Hard to put a value on it but I’d be surprised if you could move it for more than 100.

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