Comments on: Blue Notes, Deep Grooves and Vinyl Spirits

By: Mattyman

Mattyman — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:49:26 +0000

I have the stereo pressing of Hutcherson’s Happenings. Both the mono and stereo pressing have Van Gelder stamped in the dead wax but no deep groove and no Plastylite “P” according to Fred Cohen’s book.
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I’m not sure if the stereo pressing will fetch more than 400 bucks, but I do know that I paid much, much less for it! 😉
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Photos of my stereo copy of Happenings are HERE. Make sure to view in slide show mode 😉

By: Richard Connerton

Richard Connerton — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:19:46 +0000

People are way too hyped about deep grooves on these New York releases. Since this is a promotional copy, which suggests that it’s a first pressing, what we have here is, again, further evidence that all originals post-4059 were NON-DEEP GROOVE pressings, as indicated by every post-4059 promotional or review copy I have ever seen.

By: Richard Connerton

Richard Connerton — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:12:50 +0000

The Happenings LP is not–I repeat, NOT–a deep groove…there is absolutely no doubt in my mind, just fro looking at the pictures. That is probably THE most ridiculous auction I have ever seen in my life.

By: Jason

Jason — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:23:35 +0000

@Ceedee: Another thing I hate is the Listing that says “mini LP CD”, so they end up polluting the LP search with CD’s.

By: ceedee

ceedee — Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:52:29 +0000

BTW-there should be a special corner in Hades for people who put the words “Blue Note” or “mono” in the heading when the lp is neither. Agreed?

By: Shaft

Shaft — Fri, 07 Jun 2013 06:34:53 +0000

Hi The Happenings firts pressing isn’t even supposed to be Deep Groove or Plastylite for that matter. This is a first pressing which may explain the high price to some extent. Well eBay makes price go through the roof sometimes. The next one selling will not be $400!

By: Jason

Jason — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:52:50 +0000

@kb: This is a major problem on eBay, Drives me crazy, I found an Andrew Hill Black fire listed a few months ago, a Liberty Pressing with the BUZZ word deep groove. The seller to his credit did change the listing. He still got 40 bucks for it. I am glad I was able to get a bunch of the better titles from the 62-66 period long before many started approaching $500 I wish I would have been as fortunate with the Lexington’s on up, just window shopping for me now.

By: kb

kb — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:31:10 +0000

I know it’s just a 5min google exercise to learn what ‘deep groove’ means for an ebay seller, but I wonder if they mostly just see other auctions say ‘deep groove’ on blue note listings and figure it has something esoteric to do with the playback grooves of the LP, rather than the label indentation?

I’ve seen auctions where they just say ‘deep groove’ on 70’s blue label pressings!

By: ceedee

ceedee — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 01:06:25 +0000

Oh,when oh when will sellers finally realize how many more views a Blue Note lp gets simply by putting the word “MONO” in the heading??

By: Jim Neal

Jim Neal — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 17:45:05 +0000

OK, I’ve got a background in photography and printing, as well as having worked a fair amount in Photoshop once upon a time. Since I’ve never studied a true deep groove, figured this would be a great opportunity to see what you’re all talking about. I pulled the photo from the ad, magnified it and compared it with examples pulled from London Jazz Collector. It’s pretty apparant that a true deep groove is so wide that one letter of the font used for artist credits easily falls inside it and that certainly isn’t the case with this record. I know some of you are saying “duh, so what, I knew that,” but for me what this means is that regardless of the lighting, whenever credit text crosses a true deep groove, from now on I should be able to identify it, based just on the distortion of the lettering. Most interesting.