Comments on: Double Dexter, Sonny Clark, Mal Waldron

By: Clifford

Clifford — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:59:27 +0000

as for the German seller, manusardi1, I’ve had no trouble in buying from him in the past, always nice stuff accurately graded. Then again I think the only records I’ve bought have been rare Eurojazz – which seems to be his specialty.

By: Earl

Earl — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:38:08 +0000

Shaft:

As far as I can tell (Cohen is my main source) the first non-plastylite pressing original was 4193, Blakey Indestructible (1964)

The point I was making was not that there were many (or any) of these that were original, but that there are some that represent early (not-first) pressings, and not necessarily Liberties

As far as Promos, I see no reason why, at least on occasion, copies might be pulled well after initial release and stamped NFS, in order to perhaps give it to a DJ not previously contacted or newly on the scene

By: Shaft

Shaft — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 07:38:50 +0000

Reading what you all write I get a bit puzzled. Are there any confirmed First pressings pre-65 that were pressed by other plants than Plastylite?

By: don-lucky

don-lucky — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:42:48 +0000

It’s interesting to see the chronology used by different record companies when issuing the promo’s. .. Most would agree that a promo should ideally be distributed out into the industry before the initial release to the consumer, thus indicating that a promo would be among the first run pressed. Where as companies like Atlantic (for example) often have much later stamper matrix numbers on their promo copies… Perhaps the “big guys” did such a large first run, that it became the luck of the draw as to which press they used to when adding promo labels to the vinyl or which pile they grabbed from the warehouse to put the “not for sale” stamps on.

By: Terry

Terry — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 17:45:58 +0000

To my knowledge, when BN needed a long run or a reissue and Plastylite was busy, they went to ‘custom’ pressing plants. Thus, no ear, although they were pressed at the same time as the Plastylites. King and RCA were very likely candidates for this, although the company ledgers I’ve seen in the LOC for both companies do not mention this specifically. The ‘normal’ ledgers, however, do not specifically mention outside jobs. Rite and Kay Bank may also be candidates for early 60’s pressings. Ledgers for both companies never mention who they were pressing for, but time frames and matrix numbers would suggest that BN was an occasional customer.

Anyone know if the Plastylite ledgers still exist?

Terry

By: Earl

Earl — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 17:14:02 +0000

According to Fred Cohen, Plastylite pressed “most of the Blue Note records through the mid-60’s.” Which means some were pressed by other companies (ergo, no “ear,” the P of Plastylite). Though not firsts, they were therefore not necessarily Liberties either

By: Shaft

Shaft — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:09:21 +0000

Well my opinion is that any pressing without Ear (Plastylite “P”) is Liberty. However the early Liberty pressing sure quite often are high quality pressings indeed – if that is what you meant?

By: Horsti62

Horsti62 — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 09:41:11 +0000

BN1579 without ear made 578 $ !
WOW… What would have benn the price with ear ? But I don´t beleave that any pressing without “ear” is a Liberty. I´m sure that BN made early pressings without ear…

By: Earl

Earl — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 23:07:42 +0000

Al:

You’re probably right – but as I said, Popsike lists at least one New Jazz 8203 with a “Not For Sale” stamp on the label – juzt saying

By: Al

Al — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 20:16:33 +0000

For the record, I have a copy of Farmer’s Market. It is Prestige 8203 with the yellow label. And it does have a “Not for Sale” stamp on the back cover. I’ve always assumed that this was the first pressing. And I still do.