Comments on: Four From The Jazz Collector Want List

By: ILYA

ILYA — Sun, 23 Dec 2018 08:02:53 +0000

Yes, reading Rudolph’s story was amazing. I suppose in today’s language of vinyl hunters, that experience could be called an “ultimate dig”.

By: Woody

Woody — Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:36:05 +0000

Rudolf, thank you for that Prestige warehouse story, all the behind the scene back stories are what i live for!

By: Rudolf

Rudolf — Sat, 22 Dec 2018 08:15:01 +0000

Drill holes through the sleeve and the label is rather drastic. I have seen it only once at Riverside. The Dick Johnson album. In my view it was a C/O devise, the Johnson being a typical non-seller. Those who have the album will second my opinion that the album is gorgeous, fine Tristanoite themes and blowing, with the incomparable Wilbur Ware and Philly Joe propulsing the group. At the other hand, I have seen C.O. stamped in red on a few, later, Riversides.
I have seen the drastic cut-out approach, drill hole through sleeve and label, also at EmArcy, drummer label.
I think it really depends of the circumstances.
I was in Prestige’s warehouse in Bergenfield in 1969. The warehouse keeper, Al Johnson,
(he contributed several photos for Prestige sleeves) was busy going through stacks of returned records from dealers in the greater Manhattan area (several thousands). His job was to pierce the sleeves with small holes at the four corners. He explained that the albums were to be destroyed later on. He invited me to select whatever I found interesting. I found some 50 albums with the NYC adress, early N.J. and New Jazz, already pinch holed. His price was 50 cts. He hid them in the trunk of his car, without Bob Weinstock knowing of course, and I collected them later at his home in Teaneck.

By: ILYA

ILYA — Sat, 22 Dec 2018 04:34:36 +0000

Drill holes through cover and record are kind of cut-outs. Seen such treatment on the Prestige family too, including the Bluesville series.

By: lennib

lennib — Sat, 22 Dec 2018 00:23:03 +0000

Well, to add some words to what Woody stated regarding cover/label drill/punch, Chess/Cadet/Argo out of Chicago would drill hole through cover/label and oftentimes missing the label and going into the grooves. Gave a new meaning to “occasional surface noise.” Ran across a few of those in my time.

By: Woody

Woody — Fri, 21 Dec 2018 20:58:12 +0000

Rudolf, I know, there’s all kinds of discrepancies in I’ve come across over the years that I’m still trying to find an answer to. Over the years I’ve found quite a few Riverside records with a drill hole through both the cover and label. My theory is that that’s how Riverside was sending out some promo’s but I’m not sure. It’s a phenomena that seems to only affect the Riverside label so I don’t think it could have been from a company in the cut-out business. They would cut corners or notch the jacket, not drill through the cover and label.
What do you think Rudolf?

By: Rudolf

Rudolf — Fri, 21 Dec 2018 18:57:08 +0000

Thanks Woody for this info. Riverside is a label of which not all details have been put on the map. One is always learning.

By: Woody

Woody — Fri, 21 Dec 2018 17:19:50 +0000

Rudolf: My copy is laminated also..it’s not like the thicker laminated covers that came a little later but it’s definitely laminated not like the brushed polished paper surface of other Riversides from that time period I’ve seen.

By: Rudolf

Rudolf — Fri, 21 Dec 2018 08:37:10 +0000

ILYA: I doubt this cover was laminated. Early Riversides were typically unlaminated.

By: ILYA

ILYA — Fri, 21 Dec 2018 04:16:38 +0000

I also wanted to mention that I have never seen the laminated version of this first cover design before. This is probably partially responsible for its current state of preservation.