How About A Sealed Mobley?
A few more jazz vinyl pieces from the Jazz Collector eBay watch list.
Hank Mobley and Lee Morgan, Peckin’ Time, Blue Note 1574. This looks to be an original West 63rd Street pressing, listed in M- condition for the record and VG+ for the cover. The auction closes in two days and the bidding is close to $700. Given the current market it would be a real shocker if this doesn’t sell for more than $1,000.
Here’s one with similar personnel from the same era: Hank Mobley and Lee Morgan, Jazz Message #2, Savoy 12092. This is a sealed copy and this is the seller’s story: He recently purchased a bunch of sealed Savoys and opened one, which was an original red-label pressing. He’s not opening the others, because he is assuming that they are all original pressings. He is saying that he “guarantees” that the rest are original pressings. As a potential buyer, which I am not, I’d be
pretty careful about what he means by the word guarantee and I’d ask specifically if that meant I would get my money back if the record were not an original. That would presumably mean, of course, that I would actually OPEN the record and want to play it, which, perhaps, is not the way some buyers would treat a sealed record. Anyway, the start price on this is $425 and so far no one is bidding.
May as well continue with Mobley’s today: Hank Mobley, Mobley’s Message, Prestige 7061. This is an original yellow label New York pressing. The vinyl is listed in VG++ condition and the cover is listed as a “strong VG+” while the pictures show it is definitely NOT a strong VG+. There are three days to go and the bidding is in the $350 range. Would like to own this record myself, but I’ll have to keep waiting and searching.
Okay, the Frank Wess he opened was probably a first press. But this MObley’s cover looks like an obvious second one. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a maroon or red no dg label inside. Would certainly not spend 425 + $ to take the risk. I’m getting tired of those somewhat phoney “still sealed” auctions. You never know what’s inside a sealed carboard. Maybe even a dead cockroach.
or maybe a live cockroach
or maybe one live and one dead?
still, the savoy label is fun to collect, if borderline impossible.
was hoping for a Tenor Stylings of Bill Barron. Alas… that one has eluded me for over a decade!
Regarding the “Hank Mobley and Lee Morgan, Peckin’ Time, Blue Note 1574” – if that is a true first original press shouldn’t the LP labels have the full NY23 address, and not just the W63 address?
no, they shouldn’t: 47West63rd is the right label.
Sorry, but I had to show this…
I think this would be an example of “Price Gouging”
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONNY-ROLLINS-Saxophone-Colossus-LP-PRESTIGE-7079-Orig-RVG-DG-MONO-W-50th-ST-/311164350975?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item4872d731ff
Why do you think it is gouging? I agree that it is a crazy price, but none of these are essential items like food, water or shelter. If someone wants to chuck out $370 for that trashed record, I know where they can a get a VG/VG copy for $350!
Re: 1574
Seller states Vinyl is NM, “Graded visually”
In his list of grading definitions he states that NM means:
“Record may have tiny marks on disc that do not affect playing.”
In other words, this record has some marks, and although they supposedly do not effect playing, he never played it.
Getting a bit tired of these confusing ratings
RE:”Price Gouging”-the seller writes”feelable scratches, plays with some surface noise or crackle, pretty scratched up.” In what world does anyone pay $400 to essentially NOT be able to listen to this lp? Thanks for this listing,Joseph..I needed a good laugh! As for the Mobley-“never buy a pig in a poke” is a good philosophy,whether you’re buying a hog or a “Hank”.
To be fair no one has bought the Rollins LP…so far. I’ve always found that seller’s prices to be exorbitant.
How about this guy selling a reissue as an original. Worse in my opinion
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1st-STEREO-press-JOE-HENDERSON-OUR-THING-LP-BLUE-NOTE-NEW-YORK-van-gelder-M-/400802323528?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5d51ae1c48
@ Mike. Agreed, but this one sold for $ 239. We all have noticed that people tend to get more and more interested in “no ear” / or Liberty Blue Note pressings. Probably because Blue Note in itself is fascinating, iconic, no matter which kind of pressing or sound quality. And also because real original are out of reach. Editions that are “close to original” “look like the real deal”, or “from the same era” tend to attract more and more.
I had this one in the same edition, sold it for around 40 $ many years ago because it was not “true first”. I sincerely regret it, because i’ve never been able to pick out a NM original. And of course can’t even remember what the hell i did with those 40 $.
If you look closely at the pictures of the label I think it was a japanese reissue. Did not look like an original label to me
That seller is claiming every Blue Note they are selling is a “1st Press”, like this Liberty:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1st-STEREO-press-BLUE-MITCHELL-THE-THING-TO-DO-LP-BLUE-NOTE-NEW-YORK-rvg-EX-M-/400802867592?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5d51b66988
or this New York label (which should be 47 W.63rd with no “Inc.”
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1st-MONO-press-THE-AMAZING-BUD-POWELL-BUD-VOL-3-LP-BLUE-NOTE-DG-RVG-ear-MINT-/400802303903?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5d51adcf9f
Michel is absolutely correct: this Mobley cover is a second version and inside you will probably find at best a non-DG red label, or a maroon one, or you name it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAZZ-MESSAGE-2-HANK-MOBLEY-LEE-MORGAN-SAVOY-mono-12092-MINT-Unplayed-/351220125736?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item51c659d028
???
it’s back, but now “only opened and never played”
he admits mistake i believe…
but still no picture or description of the label