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		By: Tony		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob is listing ebay item 160765808872 as an original 1961 BN Stereo LP. But when I pointed out to him that it could not be original because it does not have the Plastylite P (or Ear) in the runout groove he chose not to correct his listing. This is obviously misleading and downright dishonest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob is listing ebay item 160765808872 as an original 1961 BN Stereo LP. But when I pointed out to him that it could not be original because it does not have the Plastylite P (or Ear) in the runout groove he chose not to correct his listing. This is obviously misleading and downright dishonest.</p>
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		By: Mattyman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mattyman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Elbee-Jazzyme: you&#039;re right about Fred. When his Blue Note book came out I called him at the Jazz Record Center to buy it. We had a lovely conversation and I asked him to sign the book for me. When I finally received it by mail it turned out that he&#039;d written an extensive dedication as well, which was an unexpected but nice surprise. 

@ Cazoon: since my funds are limited, first pressings are most of the time too expensive. So a later pressing (but still pre-Liberty) is usually the best solution to own the record. In this case however it&#039;s clear from Fred&#039;s book that the 1st pressing of Somethin&#039; Else does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; have the &quot;R&quot;. Call it nitpicking, but in his answer to you, Bob also makes a mistake, where he says, quote &lt;i&gt;&quot;The “R” disappeared from the Blue Note labels at some point in late 1958 or 1959...&quot;&lt;/i&gt; but that is just not correct. Initially, the trademark was nowhere to be found on the BN labels. The &quot;R&quot; &lt;i&gt;appeared&lt;/i&gt; on the labels later, not disappear, and the last release with no &quot;inc&quot; and no &quot;R&quot; was 4016. As a rookie I may not have the experience and knowledge that the older cats here obviously do have, but personally I think that if you advertise a record as an absolute 1st pressing when it obviously is not, that it&#039;s just not right. And it may result in price hikes for later pressings as well; something I&#039;m not too happy about. Last but not least I don&#039;t dig Bob&#039;s remark that his Adderley &quot;feels&quot; like a very first pressing. It&#039;s like saying my Datsun &quot;feels&quot; like a Jaguar. It&#039;s still a Datsun! ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Elbee-Jazzyme: you&#8217;re right about Fred. When his Blue Note book came out I called him at the Jazz Record Center to buy it. We had a lovely conversation and I asked him to sign the book for me. When I finally received it by mail it turned out that he&#8217;d written an extensive dedication as well, which was an unexpected but nice surprise. </p>
<p>@ Cazoon: since my funds are limited, first pressings are most of the time too expensive. So a later pressing (but still pre-Liberty) is usually the best solution to own the record. In this case however it&#8217;s clear from Fred&#8217;s book that the 1st pressing of Somethin&#8217; Else does <i>not</i> have the &#8220;R&#8221;. Call it nitpicking, but in his answer to you, Bob also makes a mistake, where he says, quote <i>&#8220;The “R” disappeared from the Blue Note labels at some point in late 1958 or 1959&#8230;&#8221;</i> but that is just not correct. Initially, the trademark was nowhere to be found on the BN labels. The &#8220;R&#8221; <i>appeared</i> on the labels later, not disappear, and the last release with no &#8220;inc&#8221; and no &#8220;R&#8221; was 4016. As a rookie I may not have the experience and knowledge that the older cats here obviously do have, but personally I think that if you advertise a record as an absolute 1st pressing when it obviously is not, that it&#8217;s just not right. And it may result in price hikes for later pressings as well; something I&#8217;m not too happy about. Last but not least I don&#8217;t dig Bob&#8217;s remark that his Adderley &#8220;feels&#8221; like a very first pressing. It&#8217;s like saying my Datsun &#8220;feels&#8221; like a Jaguar. It&#8217;s still a Datsun! 😉</p>
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		By: Cazoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cazoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Appears somebody did call Bob out on the &#039;Adderley Somethin&#039; Else&#039;...He gave the following reply. I have an original copy with no &#039;R&#039;. And, I&#039;m pretty sure that makes it an original first, but I&#039;m a newbie. Bob&#039;s reply:

&#039; I checked my database of images (13 years worth of images) and found about 15 of them. Of those, 9 were mono, 6 stereo; of the 15, only six were original (63rd street) pressings with deep groove (which must, by definition, have &quot;ear&quot; in them). Not one lacked (R)egostered trademark symbol. I then went to popsike.com and did a little research, but my search was hindered either by the poor quality of the images, or by the lack of them (popsike will archive only one of the seller&#039;s images, not all) or by poor descriptions (not many sellers will care to list the &quot;R&quot; information). The &quot;R&quot; disappeared from the Blue Note labels at some point in late 1958 or 1959, which means that, technically, you should be right: there SHOULD be NO &quot;R&quot; on the label. Whether this is actually the case with this particular title, I have to be honest with you, I am not sure. If this is of paramount significance for you, may I recommend that you pass on this copy, However, in every respect (&quot;Ear&quot; stamp, deep groove, address on the label, RVG machine stamp), this very much both looks and &quot;feels&quot; like a very first pressing. Thank you for your interest in our auctions and kind regards Bob Djukic.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appears somebody did call Bob out on the &#8216;Adderley Somethin&#8217; Else&#8217;&#8230;He gave the following reply. I have an original copy with no &#8216;R&#8217;. And, I&#8217;m pretty sure that makes it an original first, but I&#8217;m a newbie. Bob&#8217;s reply:</p>
<p>&#8216; I checked my database of images (13 years worth of images) and found about 15 of them. Of those, 9 were mono, 6 stereo; of the 15, only six were original (63rd street) pressings with deep groove (which must, by definition, have &#8220;ear&#8221; in them). Not one lacked (R)egostered trademark symbol. I then went to popsike.com and did a little research, but my search was hindered either by the poor quality of the images, or by the lack of them (popsike will archive only one of the seller&#8217;s images, not all) or by poor descriptions (not many sellers will care to list the &#8220;R&#8221; information). The &#8220;R&#8221; disappeared from the Blue Note labels at some point in late 1958 or 1959, which means that, technically, you should be right: there SHOULD be NO &#8220;R&#8221; on the label. Whether this is actually the case with this particular title, I have to be honest with you, I am not sure. If this is of paramount significance for you, may I recommend that you pass on this copy, However, in every respect (&#8220;Ear&#8221; stamp, deep groove, address on the label, RVG machine stamp), this very much both looks and &#8220;feels&#8221; like a very first pressing. Thank you for your interest in our auctions and kind regards Bob Djukic.&#8217;</p>
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		By: elbee-jazzyme		</title>
		<link>https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/john-coltrane-autograph-and-more-on-ebay/comment-page-1/#comment-252515</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elbee-jazzyme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mattyman, I got ya ... the tag-lines on the listings are fun, no question.  Kind of like the way Robert Parker Jr. describes the wines that he tastes in his listings :-)  

I sent Bob an email on this particular Cannonball listing and the correction that was necessary, he was going to update the listing with my note so that folks would know whether or not it was a true first or a &quot;mega rare second&quot;.  Pretty sure that he&#039;ll do this.

And re: Fred, I have nothing but extremely high regard for him, always have - not just based on the integrity of his listings and the accuracy, but also for the guidance that he&#039;s given me over the years as I&#039;ve built up my own collection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mattyman, I got ya &#8230; the tag-lines on the listings are fun, no question.  Kind of like the way Robert Parker Jr. describes the wines that he tastes in his listings 🙂  </p>
<p>I sent Bob an email on this particular Cannonball listing and the correction that was necessary, he was going to update the listing with my note so that folks would know whether or not it was a true first or a &#8220;mega rare second&#8221;.  Pretty sure that he&#8217;ll do this.</p>
<p>And re: Fred, I have nothing but extremely high regard for him, always have &#8211; not just based on the integrity of his listings and the accuracy, but also for the guidance that he&#8217;s given me over the years as I&#8217;ve built up my own collection.</p>
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		By: Mattyman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mattyman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Elbee-Jazzyme: as far as I can tell nobody criticized Fred Cohen here, only Bob was the &#039;victim&#039; this time ;-) Bob usually is the centre of attention because of his use of superlatives like &#039;ultra rare&#039;, &#039;insanely rare&#039; and more of that, when in some cases it happens that his vinyls aren&#039;t exactly 1st pressings while he still has this remark: &lt;i&gt;&quot;THIS IS THE ORIGINAL, AUTHENTIC, FIRST U.S. PRESSING; THIS IS NOT A REISSUE, AN IMPORT, OR A COUNTERFEIT PRESSING.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; in his item description. Referring to the Adderley&#039;s &#039;Somethin&#039; Else&#039; as mentioned above, even a rookie collector like me knows that it&#039;s not a &#039;first U.S. pressing&#039;, catch my drift? And by the way, Bob still hasn&#039;t changed his description for the Adderley! ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Elbee-Jazzyme: as far as I can tell nobody criticized Fred Cohen here, only Bob was the &#8216;victim&#8217; this time 😉 Bob usually is the centre of attention because of his use of superlatives like &#8216;ultra rare&#8217;, &#8216;insanely rare&#8217; and more of that, when in some cases it happens that his vinyls aren&#8217;t exactly 1st pressings while he still has this remark: <i>&#8220;THIS IS THE ORIGINAL, AUTHENTIC, FIRST U.S. PRESSING; THIS IS NOT A REISSUE, AN IMPORT, OR A COUNTERFEIT PRESSING.&#8221;</i> in his item description. Referring to the Adderley&#8217;s &#8216;Somethin&#8217; Else&#8217; as mentioned above, even a rookie collector like me knows that it&#8217;s not a &#8216;first U.S. pressing&#8217;, catch my drift? And by the way, Bob still hasn&#8217;t changed his description for the Adderley! 😉</p>
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		By: elbee-jazzyme		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elbee-jazzyme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been reading the various comments about Fred&#039;s auction, which got crazy high prices for the Charlie&#039;s (good for him, they looked wonderful), and Bob&#039;s current auction.  All I can say is that I&#039;ve worked with both of these sellers over the past few years and have never had a bad experience with either of them ... in fact, to the contrary, I have enjoyed getting to know them and have learned from both.  

Yes, from time to time Bob doesn&#039;t get it quite right re: a first BN issue versus a later one, and the Cannonball is a case in point, but when I pointed this out to him yesterday he was quick to do his research and get back to me with a confirmation that yes indeed, this issue likely wasn&#039;t a first.  Perhaps Bob should get a hold of Fred&#039;s book for the BN background, I have found it to be a invaluable guide for me when buying old BN records and would love it if Fred could do a similar book for some of the other more popular labels -- such as Prestige, Columbia, Atlantic and others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading the various comments about Fred&#8217;s auction, which got crazy high prices for the Charlie&#8217;s (good for him, they looked wonderful), and Bob&#8217;s current auction.  All I can say is that I&#8217;ve worked with both of these sellers over the past few years and have never had a bad experience with either of them &#8230; in fact, to the contrary, I have enjoyed getting to know them and have learned from both.  </p>
<p>Yes, from time to time Bob doesn&#8217;t get it quite right re: a first BN issue versus a later one, and the Cannonball is a case in point, but when I pointed this out to him yesterday he was quick to do his research and get back to me with a confirmation that yes indeed, this issue likely wasn&#8217;t a first.  Perhaps Bob should get a hold of Fred&#8217;s book for the BN background, I have found it to be a invaluable guide for me when buying old BN records and would love it if Fred could do a similar book for some of the other more popular labels &#8212; such as Prestige, Columbia, Atlantic and others.</p>
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		By: Mattyman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mattyman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Oxxbridge Galleries seller was new to me. That Monk mono thing while it&#039;s an obvious stereo pressing is just dumb. 

On the other hand I do agree with you that if a good Blue Note from the pre-Liberty era is available for a price that&#039;s much, much lower than what you&#039;d pay for a true 1st pressing, then I, too, don&#039;t mind buying that one. pre-Liberty is still as original Blue Note as it gets ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Oxxbridge Galleries seller was new to me. That Monk mono thing while it&#8217;s an obvious stereo pressing is just dumb. </p>
<p>On the other hand I do agree with you that if a good Blue Note from the pre-Liberty era is available for a price that&#8217;s much, much lower than what you&#8217;d pay for a true 1st pressing, then I, too, don&#8217;t mind buying that one. pre-Liberty is still as original Blue Note as it gets 😉</p>
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		By: Rudolf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rudolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 13:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mattyman: I followed these Oxbridge Galleries guys for a while and noticed that they have unrealistic prices in the &quot;Buy it now&quot; section for material indebatable condition.
Djukic&#039;s &quot;Somethin&#039; Else&quot; is a salient example of giving false information. This being said, I find that, if you have a limited budget, the purchase of a second edition with Inc. and R, can be a good solution to own an authentic Blue Note for a reasonable price. Of course, our friend here will obtain an insanely high price for a second pressing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mattyman: I followed these Oxbridge Galleries guys for a while and noticed that they have unrealistic prices in the &#8220;Buy it now&#8221; section for material indebatable condition.<br />
Djukic&#8217;s &#8220;Somethin&#8217; Else&#8221; is a salient example of giving false information. This being said, I find that, if you have a limited budget, the purchase of a second edition with Inc. and R, can be a good solution to own an authentic Blue Note for a reasonable price. Of course, our friend here will obtain an insanely high price for a second pressing.</p>
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		By: Mattyman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mattyman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and one more thing: how about this seller offering the stereo pressing of Monk&#039;s Criss Cross as a genuine mono one while the word &quot;stereo&quot; is all over this record. Check it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebay.com/itm/THELONIOUS-MONK-Criss-Cross-MONO-Original-1st-Press-JAZZ-Columbia-2-Eye-360-1960-/390401036606?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&#038;hash=item5ae5b7113e&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;here&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more thing: how about this seller offering the stereo pressing of Monk&#8217;s Criss Cross as a genuine mono one while the word &#8220;stereo&#8221; is all over this record. Check it <a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/THELONIOUS-MONK-Criss-Cross-MONO-Original-1st-Press-JAZZ-Columbia-2-Eye-360-1960-/390401036606?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&amp;hash=item5ae5b7113e" rel="nofollow"><b>here</b></a>.</p>
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		By: Mattyman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mattyman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s right, Ceedee. Somethin&#039; Else should have no &quot;inc&quot; and no &quot;R&quot; on the label. This one, however, does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, Ceedee. Somethin&#8217; Else should have no &#8220;inc&#8221; and no &#8220;R&#8221; on the label. This one, however, does.</p>
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