Comments on: More Jazz Vinyl Updates and A Couple of Surprises

By: ZARABETH47

ZARABETH47 — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 09:26:28 +0000

Well of course the MOBLEY would go high as a mono HV is a very rare record. I had one for a day. I ripped the package open really fast, cleaned it and guess what? It was a badly oblonged groove press (think Dopler effect here!) Oh man, talk about a broken heart! Ouch! Talk about a seller who lied about the playback – he didn’t even listen to it!
As far as the SONNY CLARK record in mention, all this talk is bs as some of you did bid on it! Someone here I know personally bid $1500 and then blasts it in this post (I bid low/early!)
I just posted on the KENNY DREW page and it seems to me that there was a bit of insight there from the various postings regarding DG presses and original presses that seems to be forgotton on this page.
One thing to think about before blasting sellers with near mint very serious records is that a label can’t be added after the press is done. Seems to me the only way to have a liberty press 47 63rder would for the company to have found biscuits(the small round piece of vinyl with the label on it) from back when and then press! That seems very unlikely but much craziness does exist.
Another thing to consider is the seller. The seller of the COOL STRUTTIN’ has a very good reputation for selling jazz. Or I am assuming he does as everything I have bought from him is solid. The seller with the Sonny’s crib in question is very reputable no doubt. Given the subject matter on the DREW page once again, an original doesn’t always have to be DG, P, and 23 on the label. They could have pressed 1000s at a time originally given the father/mother plating process numbers info (once again on the DREW page) so how could all be DG presses? Companies subcontracted press work all the time so all BN originals don’t have to have a P. Labels just get used up as an employee just grabs a handful. Some old ones sit, some new ones get used! Plus c’est la meme chose…

By: Mattyman

Mattyman — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:39:45 +0000

Interesting discussion altogether so far. One thing is for sure: thanks to Jazzcollector and all the educated comments from the ‘older cats’ plus, of course, Fred Cohen’s book, I now know a LOT more and indeed enough to know that that Sonny’s Crib is not a true 1st pressing. So Mike you’re right: you can’t educate everyone at the same time, but you can educate one person at a time. I’m living proof of it 😀

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:23:41 +0000

Having said that we sometime get stuck our backsides in eulogies of ‘RVG’ ‘Deep Grooves’ and ‘Ears’…surely the main thing is whats on the wax…I knew a guy who would buy 1000+ USD records and then play them through a student soundsystem with a tonearm that looked like it was crafted from wood and a stylus you could use for home DIY!! Plus ca change…

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:19:37 +0000

Indeed ‘caveat emptor’ at the end of the day….

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:03:09 +0000

I was going to mention the Moondog cover.. I wonder if his Rock Covers will go up too?

I mean, aside from the Velvet Underground one.

By: Al

Al — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:45:22 +0000

dottorjazz – there’s a Basie cover in RCA. also, a Monk cover on Prestige and a Moondog cover also on Prestige. also a Joe Newman cover, also on RCA. I think there are others — those are just off the top of my head.

By: dottorjazz

dottorjazz — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:46:50 +0000

to my knowledge there are 7 warhol jazz covers:
blue note:1543 k burrell,1596-1597:k burrell blue lights,j griffin the congregation,trombone by three on prestige 16 rpm,c candoli etc. cool gabriels on groove 1003 and artie shaw both feet in the groove on victor 1201.are there others I can’t remember ?

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:43:22 +0000

Nick, I’m not looking for a perfect collectors experience. I just would like to see things improved and the only way I can imagine this would happen is education of the collectors. That’s what this site does. It’s not perfect but is striving to improve. Other than that, people are going to do things that don’t seem rational and often shocking to others. I just hope than the readers of this site aren’t doing that. Unfortunately I think I’m preaching to the choir not the audience that needs to hear it. In the end it’s there money. If they want to do something crazy with it, that’s there right. I definitely don’t think people should judge others for the way they spend there money, especially collectors of any type whose actually don’t seem rational to most people. Sometimes I just get shocked and rush to judgment, a flaw.

By: dottorjazz

dottorjazz — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:54:55 +0000

the story:2 different records with Warhol covers in the present month.not great music in both of them,one possibly unplayable.three $ 2000,00 bids (one late).here’s the third,in better shape than the former.I have the impression buyers are interested in a multiple reproduction of the artist.Unsigned.
No matter which music is contained,just the sleeve.
I never bought one single record for the sleeve only and I had almost all the Warhol records in my hand at low prices.But I do have j griffin…

By: ceedee

ceedee — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:27:45 +0000

Hmmm..NOT $9.99?(or a heck of a lot more than I’d ever invest in a record I could never play!) Wait a minute..if lps played at 45rpm “sound better” than those played at 33 1/3,what do those played at 16 rpm sound like? Crapola?(These are the kind of questions that keep me from getting a good nights sleep)