Comments on: More Rare Jazz Vinyl, More High Prices

By: Tony

Tony — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:10:21 +0000

I think that bob is at the opposite end of the scale compared to the more helpfull members of the collecting community such as jazzcollerctor.com, Fred Cohen, Londonjazzcollector, etc. etc. who are all very open and try and help the collector with factual, well-researched information. This bob fella is just out to get as much money off folks regardless of the facts.

By: Mike F

Mike F — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:56:51 +0000

Tony, you may be right. I just feel there is also a burden on the consumer to be educated. In US law there is, although I understand that the market is international(as are the blog readers), so US law might not mean to much. I wasn’t aware of the negative feedback that had been changed. I only saw the positive feedback, which made me think that he had a large satisfied consumer base. I still don’t have a problem with what he is doing, I still think of him as a snake oil/used car salesmen. Sleazy, tacky, and annoying, but I can’t prove he’s a fraud. Your further investigating is turning up more evidence, just not sure that it’s enough.
It’s definitely enough to keep me away from his auctions though.

By: Tony

Tony — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:24:06 +0000

Mike, snake oil salesman are frauds too. If you were misled into believing something is original which is not, offering a return within two weeks is just more smoke and mirrors.

I see lots of folks did leave -ve votes for Bob, only to alter them later on. Pushed, cajoled and bribed into changing them no doubt.

Bob is a fraud.

By: Mike F

Mike F — Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:55:37 +0000

Tony,
You are correct, but how does Bob define “original”? Clearly he is very loose about the definition. I think that the problem is what we are considering proof that he is deceiving the customer. I’m very conservative about what I would say proves it. He may not even thinks it’s that big of a deal, he may not be as concerned as we are. I just don’t think you can say, “He’s lying about things being original when he clearly knows that it is not a first pressing and not nearly as valuable as what someone is paying”. If you can say that, I understand your disgust. I just see Bob as your regular snake oil salesmen.
When I’m buying something, I feel the burden is on me to verify that it is what I want. I don’t expect the seller to be right in their listing, as long as they answer my questions and have a good return policy I’m okay with them. I ignore the Hyperbole(or find humor in it). I’m not in on Bob’s auctions because he tends to get top dollar, and I prefer to find bargains. But if something ever looks like a good deal, I won’t hesitate to research, ask questions, and bid. Because I’ve never heard or seen someone have a problem with returning anything, or people complain about consistent over-grading.

By: Bill

Bill — Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:37:06 +0000

At least if you figure out that you’ve overpaid for something that is not original he has a 2week return policy.

By: Bill

Bill — Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:33:38 +0000

Man, I don’t know how Bob does it withthose prices, but he’s actually a nice guy. I emailed him once when I had a problem w/a buyer who had also bought from him & he wrote me back w/some helpful advice. I wonder who these people are that bid insane prices on his records, though.

By: Tony

Tony — Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:14:48 +0000

Mike wrote:

“But has he been caught lying? I know that it needs a “p” to even be considered an original, and so does everyone here but does Bob know that? ”

Well, if you look at his listing for mono Maiden Voyage (the one that sold for over $800) he clearly indicates that it has the “P”, and is an original first press. So I guess he is aware of its significance…

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item519e389246&item=350546858566&nma=true&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&rt=nc&si=56tgCLqz7hVeVElU4RW2g5BHIAk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_5998wt_882

By: ceedee

ceedee — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 01:26:55 +0000

“Bobdj fathered my child and refuses to send child support!!!”
(ok,ok-I’ll stop. But it DOES seem like his ‘schtick’ is getting more of our attention than it deserves. Just my 2 cents..)

By: Mike F

Mike F — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 01:17:09 +0000

But has he been caught lying? I know that it needs a “p” to even be considered an original, and so does everyone here but does Bob know that? He’s been told that by people, but does he believe them? If a random person tells him on ebay his item is not original, yet there are a few bidders bidding on it like it is, who does he believe. Bob may not know as much about Blue Note(he’s not a jazz exclusive dealer) as he thinks he does, which would make him ignorant but not fraudulent. If a member tells ebay that someone is lying in an auction they probably don’t even understand what a deep groove is, or a “p” stamp. It’s probably someone is Bangalore who’s never heard Jazz in there life.

Tony, what I’m saying is that you and I both know some of his listing are claiming originals when they aren’t. That doesn’t mean that anybody knows/believes it. And I don’t expect Bob to take the time to listen to people tell him he’s wrong, when he is probably thinking to himself; “I’ve been doing this for 20+ years, I know what I’m talking about”.
And maybe he is fraudulent, but I’ve seen no proof so I personally just don’t like calling people frauds with only anecdotal evidence.

By: Tony

Tony — Tue, 03 Apr 2012 22:41:17 +0000

The first thing a liar does when caught lying is claim ignorance. It is no defence.