Comments on: Some Sell, Some Don’t, One Gets Quite A Price

By: Earl

Earl — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:52:29 +0000

I purposely did not mention the DG since, as you say, Djukic clearly indicated it as missing – and I suppose one could make the argument (although I don’t agree) that DG in itself does not define a first pressing – however, the r & inc certainly do, and should not be present on an original pressing of 4008

By: Gregory The Fish

Gregory The Fish — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:29:12 +0000

rudolf: we all know bob knows “no dg” on 4008 = not first press. he is a frigging expert.

seems like a nice guy, and maybe he has a perspective i’ve neglected, but that is uncool from where i sit.

By: Rudolf

Rudolf — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:43:31 +0000

I mean, Bob put it right, no deep grooves.

By: Rudolf

Rudolf — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:33:31 +0000

sellers should describe the record, the labels etc. in every detail, with pictures added, without using the word original in the description. It is up to the buyer to draw his own conclusions.
Btw, the Djukic/Silver album was not DG, as stated by Bob and clearly visible on the pictures.

By: Earl

Earl — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 04:35:32 +0000

daryl: I am referring to the r in a circle underneath the E as you say; it is always associated with “Inc” after Blue Note in the address arc at the top of the label, and first appears in 4017 – it only signifies a non-original pressing if it appears on a label for 4016 or before; after that it is present in original pressings

By: Joseph

Joseph — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 02:25:23 +0000

Hello Everyone,
This is a open question to all.
Does anyone actually know what the press runs were on average of any given Blue Note Record.
Just thinking of all the early pressings, Lexington etc etc including New York and Liberty labels.
Has it ever been established even roughly how many may have been pressed at any given time ?

Thanks

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:19:44 +0000

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hank-Mobley-Self-Titled-Album-Blue-Note-BLP-1568-Mono-LP-W-63Rd-NYC/161397644106?_trksid=p2050601.c100272.m3467&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140813112422%26meid%3Dc143ae36926f40eeb2db759417a8f6ab%26pid%3D100272%26prg%3D20140813112422%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D321493159644%26clkid%3D9132604687966136910&_qi=RTM1562571

By: daryl

daryl — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 00:02:42 +0000

Earl: As I’m always trying to educate myself based on the discussion board and posts, let me be sure that I understand.(Having followed your link and viewed the seller’s photos) The “r” beneath the “E” in “NOTE” on the label means that it is not a first pressing. Is that correct? If not, where is the “r” that you referred to that is the telltale sign of a non-first press? Thanks.

By: Earl

Earl — Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:54:45 +0000

The accepted phrase in most studies (such as Cohen’s “Blue Note Records”)is “original pressing” – my personal opinion is that ANY use of the word “original” in relation to an LP implies an original pressing; and when it does not, it is misleading, whether deliberate or out of ignorance. And I further believe that ignorance in a seller is no excuse – a seller has some obligation to educate himself about the item he’s selling, particularly if he intends to use the word “original.”

Another example of unforgivable misrepresentation is Djukic’s recent sale of BN 4008, which he calls an “Original US Pressing,” despite the presence of the “r”

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HORACE-SILVER-QNTT-FINGER-POPPIN-039-ULTRA-RARE-ORIG-039-58-BLUE-NOTE-MONO-LP-63d-RVG-/161393106640?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2593c75ed0&nma=true&si=3PLcVbN%252Be69pViAWx639eTzwpI8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

One encouraging thing is the low price realized – Djukic’s buyers are perhaps getting wise.

By: Al

Al — Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:27:51 +0000

If you look closely at the Blue Train, one of the labels is New York USA. Who knows when it may have been issued.