Comments on: Watching Some Blue Note Records on eBay

By: Katharsis

Katharsis — Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:55:51 +0000

I checked some Blue Notes randomly today and came across “Horace-Scope” by Silver. On the backcover I found the adress to be written in Sans Serif as 1595. Interesting.

By: Mattyman

Mattyman — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:50:58 +0000

To quote the words from Maarten: it’s science! 🙂

By: Katharsis

Katharsis — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:27:56 +0000

One addition: I looked again at the UA-label and besides the definitive UA-adress, it looked very much like the old – let’s say NY-labels. I know, that usually the UA-labels look absolutely different, mostly they have black writing on the label as well.

By: Katharsis

Katharsis — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:23:47 +0000

I would definitely see this record as a deep groove pressing. The angle of the photography is not uncommon to me and on others you’ll never see this circle that good. But I may be wrong as well
@maarten: Do you mean the blue and white Liberties or the blue label ones? And you say, that the stampers differ from the ones on originals?

By: maarten kools

maarten kools — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:20:17 +0000

on the liberties there is often a different “rudy van gelder”, nl. the small written ” van gelder”, then on the originals

By: Mattyman

Mattyman — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:53:10 +0000

You may very well be right, Maarten, but still: that label sure looks as if it has a deep groove. Still we’re looking at a UA pressing, so for Katharsis it would serve perfectly as a filler until a genuine pressing pops up. And, correct me if I’m wrong, but I do remember an extensive discussion here at Jazzcollector about the fact that in some cases Liberty and UA pressings have been spotted with a deep groove on either the A or B-side. Or did I just read it wrong? How about the use of old stampers, considering the fact that Van Gelder is in the trail off groove?

By: maarten kools

maarten kools — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:11:29 +0000

i don’t think it is a deep groove on that jackie picture… it has just a realy undeep groove, but because of the type of light that is falling on the lp it LOOKS like a deep groove.
I have never seen a liberty or UA label with deep groove.

By: Katharsis

Katharsis — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:35:22 +0000

Hi Mattyman. Thanks for your answer. Through the last years of collecting records I deepend my knowledge about the hard facts, an original BN-pressing should have. I even tried to dig into other labels as well and that’s not so easy (btw. which numbers were the last DG-pressings of New Jazz and Pacific Jazz? Anyone?) But I have never seen a DG-UA or Liberty-pressing, so I was quite stunned and it looked like an oddity. So thank you for this hint. The UA-labels were used between 1970 and 1973.
But all in all, I’ll never logically understand why later pressings or even later NY-pressings were pressed with the old stampers used. And I’d like to know the runs for these pressings, they can’t be many?!

By: Mattyman

Mattyman — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:36:35 +0000

Oh, and Blue Note was sold to Liberty in 1966, so I guess that UA was even later, which says something about this Jackie McLean. Anyway, as a ‘filler’ it’ll work just fine I guess.

By: Mattyman

Mattyman — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:08:01 +0000

Hello Katharsis, what I have learned (if I remember correctly) here at Jazzcollector, is that during the Liberty and also the UA years sometimes old stampers were used, stampers that still had the deep groove in the label section. I also read that there are Liberty and UA pressings that have the deep groove on one side and no deep groove on the other side. The one thing I saw on Mr Yokosuka’s website, is that an original pressing should have the 43 West 61st St., New York 23 address on the back cover. One thing is for sure I guess: an original pressing should have the New York USA on the label. This one has United Artists, so it is not an original pressing. Last but not least I think that besides the RVG in the trail off groove, there should also be the pretzel shaped “P” from plastylite, often referred to as the “ear” in the trail off groove. Now besides that, this still won’t be a bad addition to your collection if you want to use it as a ‘filler’ until an affordable original comes up. If there’s anything wrong with my story, then I hope that some of the regulars here on Jazzcollector can correct me! 😉
Mattyman