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		By: billsf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One more comment on this thread. During the past month I have been hit with 5 no pays. In the past I would have 5 non payers in a YEAR. There is no consequence for a non payer but in the past a buyer would pay as a matter of course. One of these guys is a record store owner. The world is changing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more comment on this thread. During the past month I have been hit with 5 no pays. In the past I would have 5 non payers in a YEAR. There is no consequence for a non payer but in the past a buyer would pay as a matter of course. One of these guys is a record store owner. The world is changing.</p>
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		By: kyle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2023 05:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aloha lennib, Mahalo Nui Loa for your thoughts and prayers. We&#039;re hoping for the best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloha lennib, Mahalo Nui Loa for your thoughts and prayers. We&#8217;re hoping for the best.</p>
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		By: lennib		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2023 00:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kyle- I will make prayer for your relatives on Maui]]></description>
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		By: rl1856		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2023 18:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carolina Soul has an excellent reputation in the field, and is able to achieve relatively high sale prices because of their reputation.   There are others that also offer consignments, including Jazz Record Center and ebay seller &quot;Funky-O&quot;.    What are their consignment charges ?

I understand a seller&#039;s desire to receive the most value from their sale.  It is easy to quote the book or ebay.  But most sellers do not understand the costs that are involved in securing the highest value.   I have been able to negotiate with these types of sellers by politely pointing out basic facts and asking questions.  All Ebay sales proceeds will be reduced by at least 20% because of  Ebay fees, payment fees and sales taxes that will be deducted from the sale.  Thus I automatically reduce their offer price by 20%.   I then ask if they have any experience is selling LPs to a high end buyer on Ebay, and who do you think gets a higher price for selling a Rolex watch- a certified dealer, or someone who has never sold watches before ?   I then ask detailed questions about the pressing minutia of several of LPs, and then who do you think gets a higher price for this record, someone who knows why pressing details are important, or someone who does not.  My final question is to ask how much time they have- and point out that it takes about 30min per LP to correctly photograph an LP, create a detailed description, list the LP, then pack and ship the LP upon sale.  Multiply 30min by however many LPs will be listed for sale.   Sellers are  usually amenable to a reasonable deal after having this conversation.

As for the state of the market, there is an old saying- nature abhors a vacuum.   I think there are a lot of new buyers with limited experience.   They want to participate, but can not afford to at the high end, so they purchase what they can afford.   This means new reissues, grey market pressings, and later pressings of desirable titles.  In this context, a buyer priced out of the market will seek the next best alternative meaning that &quot;lessor&quot; titles, 2nd-3rd tier labels, and good sounding reissues will continue to appreciate.   Example-  80s-90&#039;s era OJC titles (300+) are now $25-$50 pressings.  They were $10 pressings pre covid.   Being able to eventually afford a better copy becomes aspirational, and part of a new buyer&#039;s evolution in this hobby.    I don&#039;t think the market will continue it&#039;s stratospheric rise, but I do not see a collapse either.  I suspect the market will plateau in general, and desirable titles will continue to appreciate at a more modest rate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolina Soul has an excellent reputation in the field, and is able to achieve relatively high sale prices because of their reputation.   There are others that also offer consignments, including Jazz Record Center and ebay seller &#8220;Funky-O&#8221;.    What are their consignment charges ?</p>
<p>I understand a seller&#8217;s desire to receive the most value from their sale.  It is easy to quote the book or ebay.  But most sellers do not understand the costs that are involved in securing the highest value.   I have been able to negotiate with these types of sellers by politely pointing out basic facts and asking questions.  All Ebay sales proceeds will be reduced by at least 20% because of  Ebay fees, payment fees and sales taxes that will be deducted from the sale.  Thus I automatically reduce their offer price by 20%.   I then ask if they have any experience is selling LPs to a high end buyer on Ebay, and who do you think gets a higher price for selling a Rolex watch- a certified dealer, or someone who has never sold watches before ?   I then ask detailed questions about the pressing minutia of several of LPs, and then who do you think gets a higher price for this record, someone who knows why pressing details are important, or someone who does not.  My final question is to ask how much time they have- and point out that it takes about 30min per LP to correctly photograph an LP, create a detailed description, list the LP, then pack and ship the LP upon sale.  Multiply 30min by however many LPs will be listed for sale.   Sellers are  usually amenable to a reasonable deal after having this conversation.</p>
<p>As for the state of the market, there is an old saying- nature abhors a vacuum.   I think there are a lot of new buyers with limited experience.   They want to participate, but can not afford to at the high end, so they purchase what they can afford.   This means new reissues, grey market pressings, and later pressings of desirable titles.  In this context, a buyer priced out of the market will seek the next best alternative meaning that &#8220;lessor&#8221; titles, 2nd-3rd tier labels, and good sounding reissues will continue to appreciate.   Example-  80s-90&#8217;s era OJC titles (300+) are now $25-$50 pressings.  They were $10 pressings pre covid.   Being able to eventually afford a better copy becomes aspirational, and part of a new buyer&#8217;s evolution in this hobby.    I don&#8217;t think the market will continue it&#8217;s stratospheric rise, but I do not see a collapse either.  I suspect the market will plateau in general, and desirable titles will continue to appreciate at a more modest rate.</p>
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		By: kyle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 13:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aloha lennib, thank you for asking. My uncle originally from Maui, on Oahu now, still has quite a bit of family there. There&#039;s one cousin he was trying to track down and we&#039;re hoping and praying he&#039;s in a shelter as many didn&#039;t have phone service or other ways to contact loved ones. We&#039;re hoping for the best as are all folks in rebuilding and coming back stronger. Mahalo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloha lennib, thank you for asking. My uncle originally from Maui, on Oahu now, still has quite a bit of family there. There&#8217;s one cousin he was trying to track down and we&#8217;re hoping and praying he&#8217;s in a shelter as many didn&#8217;t have phone service or other ways to contact loved ones. We&#8217;re hoping for the best as are all folks in rebuilding and coming back stronger. Mahalo</p>
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		By: lennib		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 00:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Kyle, enjoy experiencing your enthusiasm as displayed in your posts.
Wanted to inquire if you and yours are  okay out there in the 50th state after the fires and such.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kyle, enjoy experiencing your enthusiasm as displayed in your posts.<br />
Wanted to inquire if you and yours are  okay out there in the 50th state after the fires and such.</p>
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		By: billsf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2023 18:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Way back in the day eBay would charge sellers for listings and charge more for listings with higher starting prices. This may have led to the low stating prices we became used to. They also changed their model to a preference for Buy It Now rather than auction to &quot;compete&quot; with Amazon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way back in the day eBay would charge sellers for listings and charge more for listings with higher starting prices. This may have led to the low stating prices we became used to. They also changed their model to a preference for Buy It Now rather than auction to &#8220;compete&#8221; with Amazon.</p>
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		By: kyle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2023 03:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aloha Paul, absolutely. I was so encouraged after Al decided to move a portion of his collection and share with us his experience. He chose consignment and was very pleased by the results. That tells us auction style listings still are a favorable path to move records and it&#039;s worth it to pay someone like a Carolina Soul, who has a &quot;brand-name&quot; to do the work for a potential seller. I believe in competition and would love to see another couple &quot;CS&#039;s&quot; start up or existing sellers move to the consignment model. Obviously it works as CS has cornered a portion of the market. As you said, just might jump start the market again! Plus it would be great  for Al to report on rare/original lps from many sellers starting at $8-10.00/ea and seeing where they end! Mahalo!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloha Paul, absolutely. I was so encouraged after Al decided to move a portion of his collection and share with us his experience. He chose consignment and was very pleased by the results. That tells us auction style listings still are a favorable path to move records and it&#8217;s worth it to pay someone like a Carolina Soul, who has a &#8220;brand-name&#8221; to do the work for a potential seller. I believe in competition and would love to see another couple &#8220;CS&#8217;s&#8221; start up or existing sellers move to the consignment model. Obviously it works as CS has cornered a portion of the market. As you said, just might jump start the market again! Plus it would be great  for Al to report on rare/original lps from many sellers starting at $8-10.00/ea and seeing where they end! Mahalo!</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2023 23:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course when a seller seeks to sell his collection en masse, or is asked to sell his collection, his asking price will be ‘retail value’, whatever that is.  If professional sellers instead adhered to a consignment model, the entire system would be rejuvenated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course when a seller seeks to sell his collection en masse, or is asked to sell his collection, his asking price will be ‘retail value’, whatever that is.  If professional sellers instead adhered to a consignment model, the entire system would be rejuvenated.</p>
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		By: kyle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2023 05:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aloha Paul R, I hear you as well. Maybe offer you perspective clients consignment? I know you aren&#039;t Carolina Soul but that could be a win win for you and them. I helped out a family with a parents collection. They knew how much I love this music plus volunteering at a senior citizen center, so I&#039;m very aware of all they were dealing with. They probably wished I could take a large portion but I couldn&#039;t and I wanted them to keep some of the records to remember their loved one. So I helped, informed them of many of their collection, explained how to pack and ship and they sold what they put aside. Probably would have loved working with you, again on consignment. For me, they were very kind and let me purchase about a dozen albums at a very fair price. Yes they looked at Discogs. And for those wondering, I didn&#039;t take/request the best, most valuable ones and they had original Blue Notes, Prestige, Riverside, Contemporary, Mercury and so forth. They had bills to pay. Anyhow, sorry for my rambling, my point is, there are other ways to acquire and/or sell records. If you have a strong ebay account and good following, consignment might be an option. Good luck. Mahalo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloha Paul R, I hear you as well. Maybe offer you perspective clients consignment? I know you aren&#8217;t Carolina Soul but that could be a win win for you and them. I helped out a family with a parents collection. They knew how much I love this music plus volunteering at a senior citizen center, so I&#8217;m very aware of all they were dealing with. They probably wished I could take a large portion but I couldn&#8217;t and I wanted them to keep some of the records to remember their loved one. So I helped, informed them of many of their collection, explained how to pack and ship and they sold what they put aside. Probably would have loved working with you, again on consignment. For me, they were very kind and let me purchase about a dozen albums at a very fair price. Yes they looked at Discogs. And for those wondering, I didn&#8217;t take/request the best, most valuable ones and they had original Blue Notes, Prestige, Riverside, Contemporary, Mercury and so forth. They had bills to pay. Anyhow, sorry for my rambling, my point is, there are other ways to acquire and/or sell records. If you have a strong ebay account and good following, consignment might be an option. Good luck. Mahalo.</p>
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