Yet Another Jazz Vinyl Porpourri
Here are updates on some of the jazz records we’ve been watching on eBay, starting with Piano Interpretations by Bud Powell, Norgran 1077. I was watching this because I’m getting the sense that Norgrans are being devalued a bit, but then I realized this was not an original pressing. Oh well. Watching it anyway. This one has the black label, whereas an original would have the yellow label. This one looked to be in VG++ condition for the record and VG+ for the cover. It sold for $79. It does have quite a lovely David Stone Martin cover.
Kenny Dorham and the Jazz Prophets Volume 1, ABC Paramount 122. Is it really necessary to label this is Volume 1, since there was never a Volume 2, 3, 4 or any other number? This one looked to be in VG+ condition for the record and VG+ for the cover. It sold for $364.
Sonny Clark Trio, Blue Note 1579. This is the one
with feelable marks that was graded in VG+ condition for the record and the cover. I had speculated that it might be worth a risk at the right price. I’m not sure $719 would have qualified as the right price for me, but it did for someone.
Bill Evans Trio, Sunday Night at the Village Vanguard, Riverside 9376. In perusing my own collection the other day, I realized I have two copies of this record, but neither is an original pressing. Both are Japanese pressings. This was an original stereo with the black label. That would have sufficed for me if I thought about bidding, which I didn’t. This one was probably in VG++ condition for the record and VG+ for the cover. Great record. This one sold for $141.50, which seems quite reasonable.
I did not realize that the yellow Norgran labels pre-dated the black labels. Was there a switchover, or were all 1000 series 12″ LPs released first on yellow, and then in later runs on black?
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How does the green dancers label fit into the timeline?
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Thanks in advance to anyone who might know.
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BTW, that DSM cover for 1077 is a real beauty. I do so enjoy his covers.
thoughts on this late prestige…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151292531245?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
late 60’s trident prestige…this seems like a huge amount!
i guess they just labeled it since that’s what the LP cover says. volume one. just like “intercollegiate jazz festival volume 1” on impulse
adamski – not a crazy price for that one: http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=pucho+latin+soul+jungle+fire&thumbs=&currsel=&sortord=&x=0&y=0
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I think it’s a DJ favorite – “breaks!” as they say. Just listen to some sound clips, and you’ll hear it.
Joe L..I know the LP , I actually have it somewhere, a good record for that style of Jazz/latin/funk but wow
its a lot of corn. I didn’t realise it was so collectable!
I may spend the weekend digging this one out to sell!
Joe L. there is a lot of work to be done on the Granz labels.
The first pressings, until say MGN 1090 were yellow. Re-issues were black (mate). From ard 1090 first pressings black (mate). (Clef first pressings were shiny black; re-issues black (mate) as per Norgran.
No clue as to the anomaly of green dancer labels. The vinyl of these seems lighter in weight.
The yellow first pressings had several corporate names (Norgran Sales Corp.; JATP, others)
Will the Granz specialist stand up to shed some light??
Adamski – sell, sell, sell.
Rudolf – I became curious last night, so I scrolled through some historical auction results and saw yellow labels up to at least 1098. So perhaps the entire first run was in yellow?
Joe L …got to find the bugger first!
No order in my chaos! Now i wish I had a system.
Joe L: you may be right, I am ignorant.
I just checked my Norgran collection: all the labels are black after 1080.
I had two copies of the Modern Jazz Society (1040), one yellow and one black. I sold the black copy.
Some 10-inch Norgrans and very early 12 inchers exist with the dancers – can’t say exactly what numbers were involved – Tal Farlow MG N-1027 exists with dancers, while I’ve never seen Getz MG N-1000 with anything but a Trumoeter label – also Johnny Hodges Dance Bash (MG N-1024) exists with a Blue/Green Dancers label – Basie has two albums, Dance Session 1 & 2, On Clef 626 and 647 with those same dancers on the covers, but the records have the trumpeter label
I think Granz may have been trying to create a separate category of Danceable Jazz, and abandoned the idea, but I have no direct evidence for this
Earl: interesting. I never saw 1027 with dancers, neither any 10″, but, of course, that does not mean anything. I confirm the rest of your info; my 1024 has the blue/green dancers label.
I think that the Norgran/Clef/JATP albums are very collectible, esp. with DSM cover art.
I have had JATP-Clef boxes with rose (pink) trumpeter labels. Also cream coloured with red trumpeter. Nice pictures of the artists in a booklet or in an envelope. Of course, the music on these records is something else, one likes, or not.
Rudolf and Earl – thanks, that is all interesting info. Rudolf – those rose and cream labels sound delightful, I’ll have to keep an eye out.
Rudolph: I too have never seen a Norgran 10″ with dancers; I took that part of my comment from the Goldmine Price guide, which could easily be mistaken. 1027 with dancers clearly exists:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Norgran+labels&nord=1&biw=1231&bih=784&tbm=isch&imgil=7kPmG9zYnV9I3M%253A%253Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ft2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcSwIugs23KOhIf8rAsTef4D0aGFwKt5Dqog3Ya2hv8zmjBlMEhP%253B500%253B500%253BnPkOXsgk5Cq_qM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fvinylbeat.com%25252Fcgi-bin%25252Flabelfocus.cgi%25253Flabel%2525253DNORGRAN%25252526label_section%2525253DM%25252CN%25252CO&source=iu&usg=__a57YaeEx4mqh8BebrHA35mFEfII%3D&sa=X&ei=bFFuU9rVMY6fyATY5oAo&ved=0CEkQ9QEwBA#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=7kPmG9zYnV9I3M%253A%3BnPkOXsgk5Cq_qM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vinylbeat.com%252Flabel-art%252FN%252FNorgran%2525201.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fvinylbeat.com%252Fcgi-bin%252Flabelfocus.cgi%253Flabel%253DNORGRAN%2526label_section%253DM%252CN%252CO%3B500%3B500
Sorry about that awful link
Earl and Rudolf – I have never seen these in person (and had no knowledge of them prior to our current conversation), but there appear to be at least two !0″s with the green dancers:
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http://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/290840436794/CHICO_OFARRILLMAMBO_DANCE_SESSIONorig_mono_Norgran_10_LP_MGN27_DG
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http://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/221085182277/CHICO_OFARRILLS_LATINO_DANCE_SESSIONorig_mono_Norgran_10_LP_MGN28_DG
(Tried to post this earlier – my apologies if it appears twice). Earl and Rudolf – I have never seen these in person (and had no knowledge of them prior to our current conversation), but there appear to be at least two !0?s with the green dancers:
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http://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/290840436794/CHICO_OFARRILLMAMBO_DANCE_SESSIONorig_mono_Norgran_10_LP_MGN27_DG
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http://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/221085182277/CHICO_OFARRILLS_LATINO_DANCE_SESSIONorig_mono_Norgran_10_LP_MGN28_DG
Earl: this link gives a lot of random information. It is not awful.
To be sure I checked my 1027 copy: definitely a yellow trumpeter label, not a yellow dancer label. So, there are not only green dancer labels, but also yellow. The topic becomes more and more intersting every day!
Test? I have tried to post twice today about 10″ dancer labels. Perhaps this one will post successfully. An auction search turned up two Chico O’Farrill 10″s with the green dancer label. I am not familiar with those records, but they do exist, it appears.
Joe L:
posting: this happened to me a couple of days ago.
Interesting find. Chico O’Farrill is definitely no jazz musician, although he recorded some tracks with Bird, entitled “South of the Border” or something like that.
rudolf:
he did some interesting stuff on impulse. namely the “nine flags” promo album and “spanish rice” with clark terry. i like them both, even if they aren’t the most creative stuff.
GtF: I remember having seen the Terry album in the bins, but was never tempted to listen to it (was not aware of CO’F on this one).
I think you may be putting Chico O’Farill down a bit more than he deserves – he has been involved in some of the most notable latin jazz of the early bop years – he composed the entire Machito album (Clef 689) featuring Bird, which, whatever you may think of it, is classic Latin Jazz – when he returned to the field after 1990, Billboard said the following: “The return of veteran composer/arranger Chico O’Farrill should earn an enthusiastic welcome for devotees of swinging, straight-ahead Latin jazz.”
Earl: it is matter of taste and appreciation. I never was into the latin thing. The best one in the genre being (for me at least) “Caribé” on New Jazz, with Dolphy.
Rudolf;
De gustibus, of course
Chico O’Farrill was a mush respected composer and arranger whose work was appreciated-and will be appreciated-by all lovers of great music. His work on Impulse(Nine Flags,Spanish Rice)is far less representative than his music on the Clef,Norgran,Verve imprints. His son,pianist Arturo O’Farrill, has a number of releases that showcase his powerful Afrocuban and jazz “Big Band” lineage(try the cd “Song For Chico”-dedicated to his father- from 2008,for starters).