A Visit to A Record Store, Upstate NY Edition
Sometimes you are lucky enough to find a decent jazz vinyl score where you would least expect it. Here’s one for you. The other day I was scheduled to pick up The Lovely Mrs. JC at the Amtrak station in Hudson, NY, for a weekend in The Berkshires. I’ve already checked out the record store in Hudson more times than I can count, so not much interest there. But I happened to do a search of record stores in the region and, voila, there was a complete guide to them all, courtesy of an online publication called Chronogram. I have wanted to check out the one in Beacon, NY, called Hudson Valley Vinyl, because our friend and sometime-contributor Clifford has recommended it to me in the past. Not to mention that it is on the way when I drive up from Manhattan to The Berkshires. But, alas, timing hasn’t worked out, yet. In the meantime, I noted one of the stores was a new one, just opened in April of this year. It is called Spike’s Record Rack and it is in Catskill, NY, just 10 minutes or so from the Hudson Amtrak station. The listing in the article was quite sparse because the store was quite new when it was written, but I had some time to kill before The Lovely Mrs. JC’s train was due to arrive, so, I figured, what the hell. At the very least I would get a lovely drive over the Rip Van Winkle Bridge and the Hudson River during the peak of fall foliage up here in the mountains.
I was not disappointed on any level. It was a sunny day, late afternoon, and the scenery was absolutely spectacular, particularly going over the bridge, where you could see the fall colors in all of their brilliance for miles and miles up and down the river. Then I crossed the bridge and made my way to Catskill, just a couple of miles south. I remember Catskill from about 25 or 30 years ago as a really depressed, downtrodden, sleepy town that seemed to be headed toward oblivion. I had known that Hudson, NY, had undergone a gentrification transformation over the past dozen years or so, but I had not realized that Catskill fell into a similar category, starting a bit more recently. What had been a really rundown town is now quite vibrant with nice restaurants, artsy shops, a bookstore, even a theater. And, of course, it’s very own record store. Again, referring to Chronogram, Catskill is becoming to Hudson, what Brooklyn is to Manhattan. That is, a bit cooler and a bit hipper, still on the rise, not quite settled yet, but brimming with potential.
Anyway, I was able to park across the street from Spike’s and walked into a small but very neat, tidy and well-organized shop. I noticed the jazz right away towards the back on my left. There, above the several rows of records, was a wall display that was quite impressive: Max Roach and Clifford Brown at Basin Street; a nice Stan Getz on Norgran, and a few others. To be honest, I didn’t make more than a mental note of the wall display because they were all records I already own. But, the fact that each one on the wall was a true original collectible gave me cause for encouragement. No Blue Notes, but, nobody’s perfect, right?
I started going through the bins, the “New Arrivals” first and I was amazed at how many original pressings were in the lot, one after another, a bunch of Cannonball Adderley’s on Riverside and Mercury, some Gene Ammons. Again, I didn’t take much note of specific records because I had them. But then I started coming upon a few records I didn’t have. I checked out the prices on the back, and, they were actually quite fair. Not cheap, but not outrageous the way you see in some stores, where the owner has no idea what he is doing with jazz and just takes the older volumes of the Goldmine Price Guide or the highest prices on Popsike and tries to milk each record for all it’s worth.
At this point, I decided it was time to introduce myself to the owner and mention, casually, that I happen to do a Web site focused on jazz records. The owner’s name, you guessed it, is Spike, and we got along quite well. Of course, he was there to sell records and I was there to buy records, so we had a bit of a shared mutual interest from the outset. But he seems like a very nice, self-effacing guy, excited to finally have his own store after years of selling records on eBay and other online venues. You can see that he has put a lot of care into the store and, in chatting, we realized we had at least one mutual acquaintance, Joe Schwab of Euclid Records in St. Louis and New Orleans.
Anyway, Spike and I were chatting as I was sifting through the bins, and he mentioned that he had purchased a big jazz collection earlier this year, including a bunch of beautiful, mint Blue Notes that he had already sold, some in the store, some on eBay. He said the owner of that collection stored the records on shelves that were protected by Plexiglass doors, so they were pristine, including the covers. It was obvious in going through the bins, that many of the records from the collection were still in the shop, judging by the condition of the original pressings. I mentioned to Spike that I thought his pricing was fair, not underselling, but not trying to oversell. He said he generally goes by Discogs, but sticks to the more conservative end. To me, this makes sense because it keeps potential buyers coming back to the store, knowing they can do better at the location than they can do on eBay. Of course, not everyone has easy access to Catskill, NY, so there is downside to that approach as well. But, I suppose, if I had a brick-and-mortar store, I would do the same, trying to build a base of loyal customers and becoming a bit of a destination for collectors who may be in Albany, The Berkshires or even New York City.
As we were talking and I was pulling records from the pins and starting to pile them up, Spike mentioned that he also had 10-inch LPs from the same collection, but he doesn’t put them out on the shelves because no one is really interested. Now, of course, this was music to my ears, so I asked if they were in the store and he reached under the counter and pulled out a pile of very nice, 10-inch records in excellent condition, Pacific Jazz, Clef, Norgran. There was even a James Moody 10-inch Blue Note, which I already own.
As I continued piling up records, I asked Spike if we could do some kind of package price and he seemed amenable, which sparked me to add a couple of records I might not have put into the pile. In going through this process, I realized that I still have something of a jones for some of the old Norgrans and Clefs. It’s not necessarily the artists, but the packaging, the heavy vinyl, the Stone Martin covers. I’d pick them up and think about putting them back, but then I’d look at the price and it was too tempting, so I’d just put them in the pile, Louis Bellson, Flip Phillips, Charile Ventura. Records that would be of little interest to me musically, but would give me great satisfaction, looking at the covers as I peruse my collection. I guess I’m a sucker. There were some nice Clef and Norgran records, including a 10-inch Stan Getz Plays, but the price was too much to spend just to have a duplicate copy, so I left it behind for someone else. No Lester Youngs, Birds or Billie Holidays to my recollection, for those I might have gobbled up, even to have duplicates.
In the end, I wound up with a pile of 15 records, many of which I just don’t have, including a couple of Gerry Mulligan 10-inchers, as well as the afore-mentioned Bellson and Phillips LPs. There was also an absolutely pristine copy of Mulligan Plays Mulligan on Prestige, and the price was right, so that also ended up in the pile, upgrading the copy in my collection. The 15 records are pictured at the beginning and end of this post and I thought I did well for myself and by Spike, paying an average of about $25 per record. He started off with fair prices and was very easy to deal with. I left behind a few records that I would have liked, but by this time it was getting late to pick up The Lovely Mrs. JC and, having spent nearly $400 on records, keeping her waiting was not a good idea.
Back home, I’ve listened to a few of the records at this point, about what would be expected. I put on the Flip Phillips Clef record and was kind of amazed at how poorly recorded it sounded. It was as if the musicians were in a room with the door closed and someone was taping it from outside the room. Certainly not a Van Gelder, but also not up to the standard I would normally expect from this label. By contrast, I was somewhat pleasantly surprised by the Ammons record on Moodsville. He was never a favorite of mine, but this album is all ballads and he certainly knows his way around a ballad. Not quite Dexter, but quite capable and listenable.
I am looking forward to listening to all of the records, and also to visiting again with my new friend Spike. I just found out that The Lovely Mrs. JC has a train ticket for two weeks from Friday so, if you want to beat me to the punch, you have two weeks to make your way to Catskill, New York.
The guy who owns HVV is a cool cat.
Nice finds and Eric Dolphy- Last Date, love that record.
Another great story. Why doesn’t this happen to me?
We did our honeymoon in the Catskills last year; needless to say, that shop wasn’t open yet. Looking forward to checking it out sometime.
and yes on HVV.
“Records that would have little intrest to me musically” dear sir this is really letting the genie out of the bottle. This is the saddest thing I have read on this site. You do not know of what you speak. Please get out the q tips and be amazed.
Al def stop by my shop if you can one day. I’ll take care of ya. Love u all
Art, did you know that it is okay for people to have different opinions?
Not only do I respect different opinions I look forward to them. Jazz is many things to different people. My point is that all Art is 1/2 history . By not listening to the creative process when it was first produced a heck of a lot is missed. The foundation comes before the roof. A serious listener may not like certain music,and that’s O.K. But it is an unfilled journey. Name 1 great jazz musician who did not learn from the genius’ of the past. Thanks
sorry art, it is obvious that you know everything. there’s no flaws in your logic at all. and upon rereading, i totally see how it is clear that “Please get out the q tips ” means “i understand and respect your differing opinion”.
I too have found two record stores that had a couple of “holy grails” for me. Picked up Duane Tatro’s Contemporary record (“Jazz for Moderns”) and Frank Rosolino Quartet on Mode at Dave’s Records in Berkeley (I highly recommend this little store). There is a new record store in Portland called “DIG” that isn’t too far from where I live. Every time I go there, I come out with 2-3 new records, and they DO have a large and GOOD collection of 10 inch jazz records. Just when I thought the jazz scene was played out on the West Coast…………
A bunch of new used record stores are opening up in the Bay Area, starting with Dave’s. I’m glad to see that music is becoming important again. It almost reminds me of the early 70s when so many stores were opening that every neighborhood had one. The problem will be keeping them stocked, although there are still a whole bunch of old farts like me who have to sell their collections eventually.
btw is that JJ a red label?
Yes on the JJ. The Bob Gordon is red vinyl. Everything in the pile is original, to the best of my knowledge, with the Dolphy obviously a reissue, but a really nice one at that.
Al, not seeing any Bob Gordons in the pile, I’m presuming that it’s either the Montrose or Almeida that is on red vinyl. Have seen them both like that. Also, the either of the Mulligan 10-inchers is a possibility.
Whoops. Meant Montrose. Gordon’s a sideman. Good catch. Aldeida is regular black vinyl.
The P.J. Almeida, first issue cover was black and white, with red text and red vinyl. The re issue came in a red sleeve, as on the picture, with black vinyl.
I am also a sucker for DSM covers. Although I know they have fallen out of fashion somewhat over the past 20 years, I just can’t pass on pretty much anything in good shape that I come across. In my opinion, it is not that his artwork is becoming less relevant with time, it is the side effect of a general decrease in pursuit of the Norman Granz’ family of record labels by collectors. And, although there is some passable or badly recorded music there for sure, it is the fixation of the jazz record collectors’ market on Blue Note – Prestige – Impulse that is ultimately to blame in my opinion.
I recently joined Instagram in hopes to ultimately be able to get rid of some better duplicates without subjecting myself to ebay luck. As I look through the posts of many jazz collectors, I seem to catch many more photos of impressive rows of BN or Impulse spines than DSM covers. In a way, this makes me feel kind of sad that collectors are bragging more about the spines than the cover fronts.
My most recent DSM acquisition was a near-perfect 78 set on the Asch label by Sgt. Hy Zaret “Strictly GI”. Not the favorite cover for sure but probably one of the most scarce ones out there, especially in such a great shape.
I really like the cover photo and artwork of the Flip Phillips.
@ILYA what’s your Instagram account? what are you selling?
I like a lot of the music on the Verve/Norgran/Clef label families, but I would almost never go out of my way to acquire one. I grab them locally, but in my experience the pressings and especially the covers are too susceptible to wear and risky to buy online. I’m talking about the 50’s pressings here– the 60’s ones and anything Van Gelder touched is much better.
Whereas a Blue Note, Prestige, Impulse will probably sound better than it looks, the Norman Granz will probably sound worse. Plus the fact that the recordings aren’t as good and the masterings more conservative, they just aren’t as exciting to listen to and noise creeps in easily. I do enjoy the music despite this, but I just don’t collect them
I really like the Clef Oscar Peterson plays… covers. The yellow is my favorite. It’s a bit boring that it wasn’t changed from album to album, stay for the color, but it’s still a cool presentation.
I see Freddie Hubbard’s “Open Sesame” is at $680 (Carolina Soul). Has Hubbard cracked the $1,000 barrier before? The auction is going through Sunday, so this one has a chance.
Yeah, Open Sesame has cracked $2,000 before.
There was a Goin’ Up that broke $1,200 a while ago too
Yeah, Ready for Freddie will be the next one to crack a $1000
On a more affordable note, Red Clay (CTI) is one of my favourite.
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