Comments on: Is There a “50-Year Rule” for Jazz Vinyl?

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By: Bob Friedman (Dayton Records)

Bob Friedman (Dayton Records) — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 22:13:34 +0000

The comment that tastes change for the new generation, I had a record store in the late 60’s till the late 70,s in Greenwich Village where we sold a large cross section of music to both young and old. When we played an Andrews Sisters album we sold 25 copies almost immediately to young and old. The young ” had never heard of them ” but loved the record. The moral is that any one that” listens “to music on a regular basis is always open to “good music” The 50 year old records only go out of favor if they don’t get exposed. I don’t believe any “music listener” who never heard Lester Young , Duke Ellington,Johnny Hodges and Nat Cole, would become addicted.The problem is where can the young people hear it.

By: Robert Morris

Robert Morris — Thu, 31 Aug 2017 01:03:52 +0000

I have the Hampton/Tatum/Rich Album pictured above. I bought it primarily for the Cover photo. It speaks mid-century Jazz. Guess I’m image-driven.

By: Ian Shadwick

Ian Shadwick — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:52:29 +0000

Robert , have a look at the January 2009 archive on this site and you can see some information on the Argo split pak. The first edition is normally described by sellers as Split Pak but the second version I had to ask sellers to describe inner tongue of the cover as pressings were also made with the standard sleeve.
I would pick up one of your departure points ,Americana .I have always loved the part that JATP
had in American music history / entertainment. In collecting the box sets ( Clef Volume 15-16-17 plus Norgran Jazz Concert No1 ) I have been able to sit myself in the concert hall and travel back in time with the help of the artist photos included in Vol 16-17 and also by adding the relevant program to each set . Again , not an expensive thing to collect but it ticks all the boxes you mention above for me
Finally , I like your cover/record approach , I do have a few cover “purchases” such as the David Stone Martin’s on Grand Award and covers can pull you into a purchase such as Eric Dolphy’s “Out There ” on New Jazz ,just had to have it.

By: Robert Morris

Robert Morris — Sat, 26 Aug 2017 07:58:14 +0000

I meant to write…”Cover/Record” Value split.

By: Robert Morris

Robert Morris — Fri, 25 Aug 2017 03:40:07 +0000

With enthusiasm I offer my first comments here on jazz collector. My Background: Age 61. collecting since 1989. Focus: 1st pressing U.S. Albums…representing a broad spectrum of popular 1950’s/60’s music. R&B, Doo-wop, Motown, Rock, Surf, Soul, Cartoon, Exotic and Jazz. I’m drawn to comment on the “Psychology of Collecting”, “Value Trends” and the “50 Year Rule” discussion.

Is there an argument between collecting for “The Music” versus as “Investment”? I say let folks do what they do. I believe high Record Values are simply a consequence of Quality, Demand and Scarcity. Those who do speculate & buy records thinking investment may well be dissapointed and are probably better off putting their money in traditional vehicles such as the stock market and real estate. Rare records are a fickle market. Prices for truly top-tier records are high. In 5 or 10 years will the top titles be 100% higher? Hard to say. All this is different from the Fan who, for example, stumbles onto an original Tina Brooks album for $8. We can all appreciate the boundless joy of finding a great record expotentially undervalued.

Due to time and space limitations I will simply toss out a few key-concepts pertaining to Value discussions & understanding value trends, or “The 50 year rule”. Please contemplate, contribute and riff on these “departure points”.

Mood / Authenticity / Americana / Timeless / Transcendance / Relevance / Art / Hip / Joy

I feel I have a lot to offer and will in due-time. One discerning device I utilize is Cover/Value Ratio. That is – on any given Album what is the Value split? Is the cover worth more than the record? For the vast majority of LP’s the music will carry most of the value. But perhaps for a Warhol LP the Value is cover-driven or Art-driven (70/30). The Beatles Butcher Cover is probably the most infamous example of a Cover holding 95% of the album value. I also quickly mention here the need for Album Integrity. A collectable album surely needs both a decent Cover and Record to be complete, and carry decent value.

Finally…Ian…I agree…the mid-60’s Limelight jazz albums are beautiful, elaborate and the high-point of cover design and construction. But what the heck is an “Argo Kangaroo split-pak”? How fun. I’ll be researching these very soon. Cheers.

By: Jonas B

Jonas B — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:58:59 +0000

Supply and demand. No doubt demand is at a high right now, and may decline. But what about supply? You often hear the market will eventually get flooded, but while that may be true with Beatles & Elvis, will it be true with classic jazz? Most titles were sold in substantially smaller numbers than Beatles & Elvis items. I feel that the sought after jazz LPs now in demand will continue to rise due to an ever-increasing under-supply. I feel there are more Blue Note collectors in their 30s and 40s right now than there are Beatles collectors. May not be true, but it’s getting there. Jazz is hip, and will continue to be so, simply because its so different and timeless. It’s transcendent like few other things. In many ways jazz the music of musics; music in the first place being the art of arts, or the ‘supreme art’ as Huxley put it (no words to mess it up?). I believe no 50 year rule applies for great jazz, as it may do for Cliff Richard or even someone as great as Elvis Presley. My only worry for the collectors market is a crisis where the price pasta, rice & gasoline sky rockets while everything ‘culture’ is forgotten. But I guess in a culture, or sub-culture, where past times and object are so cherished, there will always be a fear that the end is near.

By: Anders Wallinder

Anders Wallinder — Sun, 16 Jul 2017 13:20:03 +0000

I agree also 😉

By: bongo hito

bongo hito — Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:14:19 +0000

ripping a prized lp worth thousands and then subsequently displaying it while streaming the rip is not uncommon at all at high end kissas. i first saw it when i lived in japan for a period and it continues to this day. noted it @ jazz spot into 90 days ago… it’s about landing the big fish there.