Comments on: In Nautiluso Case, PayPal May Be The Biggest Loser

By: BLUENOTEJAZZ

BLUENOTEJAZZ — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:31:50 +0000

good point made, but lets be honest, isn’t ebay 1 big ripoff? sellers do all the work and the buyers bid.. ebay collects the fee’s, make up the rules, and even though ebay’s fraud numbers are down from when they 1st started, there is still alot of fraud on ebay..

i hold ebay just as responsible… since it’s their site, it’s up to them to police anyone selling on that site…

i remember when i got ripped off from a out of country seller.. ebay told me they could not give me the addresss/ phone number the seller had on file.. something about their country does not allow it…. i kid u not

but since ebay now owns paypal.. maybe they will do a better job of fraud prevention on the site.. my own fraud check list to anyone , i always ask for pic’s, grading, and sometimes references… when this seller gave me the old” i;m out of town excuse- that told me he was either lieing or was not serious… so i canceled all my bids ,

again ebay sort of makes it really easy especially with the bidders id’s being private… thats a scammers dream… he most likely was bid on the record himself , and we all know that most of the serious jazz collector on ebay bid at the last second to snipe a record

this guy or woman who pulled this off is a deadbeat, but ebay must be held accountable as well, for making it very easy for them

i only hope that most paid via credit card, as i have learned from past experience that paying via check or paypal funds when fraud occurs is not good…. nuff said !

By: ceedee

ceedee — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:01:05 +0000

Al,I think your comment that paypal doesn’t want “the negative publicity that a scam like this can create” is on the money. Unfortunately,that is exactly what major crooks/scammers are betting on when they plan their theft. I would hope that this will serve as a memorable lesson for those of us willing to ‘go for broke'(no pun intended) in bidding with an unknown(or perhaps just a foreign?)seller. My golden rule:if I can’t drive to THERE from HERE-and I haven’t dealt with you before-you damn sure aren’t gonna get a lot of my money. Not now. Not ever. There are too many KNOWN dealers/collectors to take such a pricey gamble. Remember,whereever there is money to be made HONESTLY,there is money to be made DISHONESTLY. To quote an old EWF song,’That’s The Way Of The World.”

By: don-lucky

don-lucky — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:30:02 +0000

…Am I the only one who sees a great “business” opportunity here ??? This may very well get me kicked out of the Jazz Collector “collective” for even suggesting such a thing, but maybe our good friend “Nautiluso” is on to something here… What a great way to recover years of ebay seller fee’s / Paypal service charges and possibly retire at the same time !!! (heh heh) I can see why he or she is now potentially living in South America somewhere…
Al, if you cut us all in we will start bidding lavishly on your LP sales for fun and profit… You could actually send one of the posted LP’s to the person who get’s the biggest payoff from Paypal each month after a claim has been filed… We could even add another column to the price guide for top grossing Paypal refunds !!! (heh heh heh)
…Just kidding guys ! I’m really just in it for the music. Personally, I wonder if something happened to “Nautiluso” before the auction ended. Maybe he had an accident or worse ! …Trust me it happens, especially with the old-timers down in Florida… About two years ago, I won a bid for a 12 LP lot of Mel Torme albums for around $10. A month went by and I never heard from the seller. I just figured he wasn’t going to part with them for that, and it wasn’t worth the hassle to go after him. A month later he contacts me very apologetic and said he had been in the hospital… He shipped out the order shortly thereafter and even sent me a bunch of extra LP’s as a bonus, so you never know right… It seems unlikely to me that someone would spend years establishing themselves on e-bay in hopes of perpetrating that one big score someday. Never the less it does make for some sensational reading on an otherwise uneventful day here at our respective offices doesn’t it ?

By: duonri

duonri — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:51:31 +0000

Also please remember: Since 2002 Paypal is owned by eBay !