Comments on: Jazz Vinyl on eBay: Evans The Sideman, Lady Day

By: Mattyman

Mattyman — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:51:58 +0000

At Maarten: thanks for the comment! For a second I thought that nobody read it 😉
Mattyman, The Netherlands.

By: London Calling

London Calling — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:54:53 +0000

On Mr Bob Djukic, I’ve always tried to consider the desirability of a item independently of the hyperbole of the salesman trying to sell it to you. Mental fingers in ears.

He does sometimes have some fine records to sell, for which some are willing to offer a high price. You are free to make up your own mind, or equally, free to allow Mr Djukic to make it up for you.

Seems to me the market is never wrong.

By: Michel

Michel — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:39:27 +0000

Cranshaw is also misprinted “Crenshaw” on Granchan Moncur’s “Evolution” !

By: don-lucky

don-lucky — Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:57:28 +0000

Ceedee you make an interesting point on the issue of quality control (Some of which was definitely needed in my past comment about bobby-j). In the old days they these mistakes would be used to get around recording contracts like in the case of Charlie Parker aka.”Charlie Chan”.
Here’s another example for you: I just noticed the same issue with spell check / quality control on a recent purchase of Billie Holiday’s 10″ Jazz at the Philharmonic on Clef MGC 169. The copy I picked up says “Billy Holiday” on the cover spelt with a ‘y’ instead of ‘ie’ at the end of Billie. Most of the original covers have this mistake corrected, but from a collectors standpoint, these mistakes can certainly add to the value and rarity. This seems to happen in the printing process all the time especially with things like stamps. I guess at the end of the day a mistake costs the company money to toss them out, so in order to keep the shareholders happy, and save their jobs they just released them anyway thinking no one would really take much notice. It is afterall about the music. Bob Cranshaw’s name also seems to be mistake prone as well… Check out an original copy of Lee Morgan’s Sidewinder, they spell his last name as “Crenshaw”, but like most of us, I let it slide and bought the album anyway.

By: don-lucky

don-lucky — Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:31:04 +0000

Thanks for the clarification on that one Aaron & Michel… I admit I pushed the panic button on that one a bit too soon !

I wonder if there is some difference in the mastering process on a stereo pressing that may have had something to do with the missing track… It was still a pretty recent format. Could they have just run out of space or perhaps they only recorded track 12 in MONO originally…

By: Michel

Michel — Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:10:16 +0000

No, there’s is no need to fall into Bob the Joker’s trap :

http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=billie+holiday+lady+in+satin&thumbs=&currsel=&x=12&y=15

By: maarten kools

maarten kools — Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:41:32 +0000

interesting piece Mattyman!

By: ceedee

ceedee — Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:22:33 +0000

Thanks,Aaron-I’d forgotten about the Ellington. Now,besides knowing that the “hype” on the Holiday is misplaced,does anyone have any idea how such screw-ups happen in the first place? That’s right up there with the mispelling of Cannonball’s name on early Kind Of Blue covers-and MUCH worse than those companies that issued different takes on mono releases than on stereo issues! Quality control,someone?

By: Aaron

Aaron — Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:14:38 +0000

Don-Lucky,
All original stereo six-eye copies of CS 8048 Lady In Satin list 12 songs on the jacket yet only play 11 (reflected on the label also). The mono version, CL 1157, plays all twelve tracks including “The End Of A Love Affair”. The same thing happened around the same time on CS 8053 Ellington Indigos. The stereo copies leave off a track, “The Sky Fell Down”, which was included on the mono copies and listed on the front of both. So on these two Columbia albums you had to pay an additional dollar for the stereo version and you lost one song vs. the mono. Bottom line folks, don’t fall for Bobdjukic’s hype.

By: don-lucky

don-lucky — Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:53:26 +0000

…I just checked the original MONO copy (CL 8048) and my stereo pressing (CS 8048) but the stereo isn’t a DG. Does anyone out there have the original Stereo 6-eye DG copy of CS 8048 ? Is the track actually missing ?? Could bobby-j be telling the truth here ??? (He only shows the groves on side 1, leaving my comment above to be a bit inconclusive for the moment, sorry guys !)