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		By: pyschedeligoat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pyschedeligoat]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[way too much money and no sense  - Good one Matt.  But there is bid rigging happening - ghost bids whatever. He has employees, NO DOUBT.  This creates a further need to have it.

Slowy Discogs is gaining ground and it&#039;s educating people with the easy cross referencing. it&#039;s still not perfect but you don&#039;t see these people on Discogs (to my knowledge) and a woman in the USA -  I see doing the same thing now (maybe his partner? same layout of auctions everything)   .. You can post a price as high as you want on Discogs.. you won&#039;t get it though unless truly justified in most cases...sure scam will exist on all platforms..but this guy wrote the ebay book on low level psychological scamming .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way too much money and no sense  &#8211; Good one Matt.  But there is bid rigging happening &#8211; ghost bids whatever. He has employees, NO DOUBT.  This creates a further need to have it.</p>
<p>Slowy Discogs is gaining ground and it&#8217;s educating people with the easy cross referencing. it&#8217;s still not perfect but you don&#8217;t see these people on Discogs (to my knowledge) and a woman in the USA &#8211;  I see doing the same thing now (maybe his partner? same layout of auctions everything)   .. You can post a price as high as you want on Discogs.. you won&#8217;t get it though unless truly justified in most cases&#8230;sure scam will exist on all platforms..but this guy wrote the ebay book on low level psychological scamming .</p>
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		By: robert Johnsen		</title>
		<link>https://jazzcollector.com/prestige/the-original-original-not/comment-page-1/#comment-266972</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[robert Johnsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 17:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have followed the antics of Mr. B for some time. He adapts his descriptions constantly based on what he is offering.

I can remember him offering for sale a so called &quot;original pressing of Byrds first LP, that he knew and said was not a first pressing.

He had for sale a columbia 360 label mono printed in white (which was preceded by Columbia mono with guaranteed hi fidelity printed in black at the bottom of label) He described after saying his was a first pressing that the guaranteed high fidelity was so scarce and came up so infrequently he was treating the 2d version as, in effect, the first issue.

I have raised with seller on a number of ocassion his shortcuts around the facts but nothing seems to disuade the seller from his antics]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have followed the antics of Mr. B for some time. He adapts his descriptions constantly based on what he is offering.</p>
<p>I can remember him offering for sale a so called &#8220;original pressing of Byrds first LP, that he knew and said was not a first pressing.</p>
<p>He had for sale a columbia 360 label mono printed in white (which was preceded by Columbia mono with guaranteed hi fidelity printed in black at the bottom of label) He described after saying his was a first pressing that the guaranteed high fidelity was so scarce and came up so infrequently he was treating the 2d version as, in effect, the first issue.</p>
<p>I have raised with seller on a number of ocassion his shortcuts around the facts but nothing seems to disuade the seller from his antics</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[$760 for the Miles Davis Steamin!!! Is this a bad joke, I have two copies of this and the most I paid was about $60 for one and thats in the last 3-4 years..Ultimately the joke is on the buyer (caveat emptor).If people are stupid enough to pay that kind of $$ for this record it just proves how uninfomed they are, way too much money and no sense. Hell give me $150 for my two copies and I will give the $600 odd to charity. Global recession does not seem to have extended to record buying...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$760 for the Miles Davis Steamin!!! Is this a bad joke, I have two copies of this and the most I paid was about $60 for one and thats in the last 3-4 years..Ultimately the joke is on the buyer (caveat emptor).If people are stupid enough to pay that kind of $$ for this record it just proves how uninfomed they are, way too much money and no sense. Hell give me $150 for my two copies and I will give the $600 odd to charity. Global recession does not seem to have extended to record buying&#8230;</p>
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		By: ceedee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ceedee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe for the same reason people dont like to acknowledge that they&#039;ve sent money to down-on-their-luck Nigerian royalty. It hurts!
(I&#039;m sure the Prince will be contacting me any day now...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe for the same reason people dont like to acknowledge that they&#8217;ve sent money to down-on-their-luck Nigerian royalty. It hurts!<br />
(I&#8217;m sure the Prince will be contacting me any day now&#8230;)</p>
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		By: duonri		</title>
		<link>https://jazzcollector.com/prestige/the-original-original-not/comment-page-1/#comment-105636</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[duonri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 07:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People who pay  $100&#039;s for some inexpensive later pressings records sometimes  show their &quot;finds&quot; to other people.
Some people are knowledgeable. 
How come out of so many buyers nobody gave him a  negative feedback ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who pay  $100&#8217;s for some inexpensive later pressings records sometimes  show their &#8220;finds&#8221; to other people.<br />
Some people are knowledgeable.<br />
How come out of so many buyers nobody gave him a  negative feedback ?</p>
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		By: zarabeth47		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zarabeth47]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 04:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;IN REFERENCE TO MY INITIAL LINK TO THE CANNONBALL ADDERLEY LINK:&lt;/b&gt; I was just amazed how much such a common record went for. The most I have ever got for a real clean original press is $275. They&#039;re not real hard to find in decent condition! Not like a nigerian Fela SORROW BLOOD &#038; TEARS! 
&lt;b&gt;IN REFERENCE TO THE &quot;SHADINESS&quot;:&lt;/b&gt; I wanted others to look at the seller&#039;s other auction&#039;s bid histories. Lotta neubie (0) bidders and people who don&#039;t normally buy records bidding on that stuff! Funny illegal action goin&#039; on.
&lt;b&gt;IN REFERENCE TO BLOB DJ U KICK:&lt;/b&gt; I have been selling/buying lps for 11+ years now on ebay. I used to marvel at the prices he gets for records. He was my saviour in terms of thinking I too could get $115 for a VG+ original NEIL YOUNG HARVEST! His subterfuge was not as in your face as it is today. You gotta admit there&#039;s always an lp he has that you want in each one of his auctions! I was interested in a FRANK ZAAPA - WE&#039;RE ONLY IT FOR THE MONEY this time. I inquired about the  UNCENSORED lines he described. CLASSIC OBFUSCATION! Here is our communication copy and pasted from my ebay messages(LOL): 
&lt;b&gt;ME: Hello,
What two lines are Uncensored please?
Thanks,

THEBLOB: HI: 
Correct!
Bear in mind that various overseas and later domestic pressings may have other lines that are MORE uncensored than on the first domestic version (the one we have here) This is a regular, first &quot;uncensored&quot; US pressing, with those two lines uncensored. 
Best regards 
Bob Djukic
ME (reply): Hello,
Which two lines/songs are uncensored please? 
Thanks,
THE BLOB&#039;S REPLY: HI: 
Please check 
http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/money.html
Thanks and best regards 
Bob Djukic
&lt;/b&gt;
He didn&#039;t even know the information that he placed in his description! (Does he just make it up?) His first reply doesn&#039;t even address my question! LOL! Mindboggling! 
If anyone out there really is paying attention to the communication I just copied here - check this out: He mentions that &quot;later domestic pressings may have other lines that are MORE uncensored than on the first domestic version (the one we have here)&quot; - Frank took this back to VERVE umpteenth times and they kept censoring it! SO WHY WOULD THER BE MORE UNCENSORED LINES THAN AN ORIGINAL PRESS! His subterfuge knows no boundaries!
He is definitely not right in the honesty department. John to Paul: How Do You Sleep?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>IN REFERENCE TO MY INITIAL LINK TO THE CANNONBALL ADDERLEY LINK:</b> I was just amazed how much such a common record went for. The most I have ever got for a real clean original press is $275. They&#8217;re not real hard to find in decent condition! Not like a nigerian Fela SORROW BLOOD &amp; TEARS!<br />
<b>IN REFERENCE TO THE &#8220;SHADINESS&#8221;:</b> I wanted others to look at the seller&#8217;s other auction&#8217;s bid histories. Lotta neubie (0) bidders and people who don&#8217;t normally buy records bidding on that stuff! Funny illegal action goin&#8217; on.<br />
<b>IN REFERENCE TO BLOB DJ U KICK:</b> I have been selling/buying lps for 11+ years now on ebay. I used to marvel at the prices he gets for records. He was my saviour in terms of thinking I too could get $115 for a VG+ original NEIL YOUNG HARVEST! His subterfuge was not as in your face as it is today. You gotta admit there&#8217;s always an lp he has that you want in each one of his auctions! I was interested in a FRANK ZAAPA &#8211; WE&#8217;RE ONLY IT FOR THE MONEY this time. I inquired about the  UNCENSORED lines he described. CLASSIC OBFUSCATION! Here is our communication copy and pasted from my ebay messages(LOL):<br />
<b>ME: Hello,<br />
What two lines are Uncensored please?<br />
Thanks,</p>
<p>THEBLOB: HI:<br />
Correct!<br />
Bear in mind that various overseas and later domestic pressings may have other lines that are MORE uncensored than on the first domestic version (the one we have here) This is a regular, first &#8220;uncensored&#8221; US pressing, with those two lines uncensored.<br />
Best regards<br />
Bob Djukic<br />
ME (reply): Hello,<br />
Which two lines/songs are uncensored please?<br />
Thanks,<br />
THE BLOB&#8217;S REPLY: HI:<br />
Please check<br />
<a href="http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/money.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/money.html</a><br />
Thanks and best regards<br />
Bob Djukic<br />
</b><br />
He didn&#8217;t even know the information that he placed in his description! (Does he just make it up?) His first reply doesn&#8217;t even address my question! LOL! Mindboggling!<br />
If anyone out there really is paying attention to the communication I just copied here &#8211; check this out: He mentions that &#8220;later domestic pressings may have other lines that are MORE uncensored than on the first domestic version (the one we have here)&#8221; &#8211; Frank took this back to VERVE umpteenth times and they kept censoring it! SO WHY WOULD THER BE MORE UNCENSORED LINES THAN AN ORIGINAL PRESS! His subterfuge knows no boundaries!<br />
He is definitely not right in the honesty department. John to Paul: How Do You Sleep?</p>
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		By: dottorjazz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dottorjazz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 20:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[what I repeat everyday:
there&#039;s only one severe and incurable illness:
IGNORANCE
there&#039;s no treatment.
we thought him fool,silly,we laughed at his DETAILS 
thanks Michel to have called this BD with his true name:
dishonest]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what I repeat everyday:<br />
there&#8217;s only one severe and incurable illness:<br />
IGNORANCE<br />
there&#8217;s no treatment.<br />
we thought him fool,silly,we laughed at his DETAILS<br />
thanks Michel to have called this BD with his true name:<br />
dishonest</p>
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		By: duonri		</title>
		<link>https://jazzcollector.com/prestige/the-original-original-not/comment-page-1/#comment-105491</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[duonri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 19:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Final prices with seller &quot;bobdjukic&quot; are high. Buyers are happy, ie  14389 ( at the moment ) positives and   Positive Feedback (last 12 months): 100% .
What can you say...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Final prices with seller &#8220;bobdjukic&#8221; are high. Buyers are happy, ie  14389 ( at the moment ) positives and   Positive Feedback (last 12 months): 100% .<br />
What can you say&#8230;</p>
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		By: Michel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 19:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob D is so dishonest, it becomes funny. Anyway, we must admit that the world is full of &quot;more money y than brain&quot; collectors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob D is so dishonest, it becomes funny. Anyway, we must admit that the world is full of &#8220;more money y than brain&#8221; collectors.</p>
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		By: ceedee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ceedee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yikes!Sounds like the time may be right for a &quot;Prestige&quot; book along the lines of Fred&#039;s Blue Note efforts. Or we can all jump on the djukic bandwagon and say,&quot;who gives a....&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes!Sounds like the time may be right for a &#8220;Prestige&#8221; book along the lines of Fred&#8217;s Blue Note efforts. Or we can all jump on the djukic bandwagon and say,&#8221;who gives a&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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