I have recently picked up copies of John Coltranes ‘Lush Life’. I noticed that John Coltrane on the cover is in different colors. Two of them have original inner sleeves. One with an onion skin sleeve has Coltrane in a deep light blue. The one with the advertising inner sleeve ending with 7190 has Coltrane in white. Yet another copy no inner sleeve has Coltrane in a lighter blue. The first two seem to be indicative of first pressings with sleeves corresponding to the era. I imagine the onion skin would be first. Can anyone help with this?
I was visiting SF last week and I hit a kiosque who was selling coasters ,clocks and bowls made of actual lps.
I personnaly bought a few Jazz coasters and a clock for a friend.
If you are nostalgic about throwing away one of your favorite lp fulfilled of scratches and you would like to perpetue the good memories ; please find attached the website in order to provide a second life to your lp http://www.brennanscrafts.com
Enjoy the visit. The owners are very friendly and provide excellent service .thanks
Michael P,
I’m willing to bet the copies of Lush Life with “John Coltrane” in light blue are the earlier pressings as I see the later blue trident label pressings have his name in white. Any difference in deadwax markings between your copies?
laugh ? in Greece almost no one is laughin’ now.
and for respect I suggest this seller to offer an Intro of the same record.
maybe a couple of grand would be ok for me.
I am thinking of getting a mono cartridge as my collection of mono jazz records is now of sufficent size. My turntable is a VPI Superscoutmaster and I have a second armwand for my SSM. I have an Airtight Pc-1 and Sumiko Pearwood Celebration stereo cartridges with a an alltube system.
I understand that there are different types of mono cartridges..different stylus shapes and sizes, etc. Some that are built for mono some that are just quick adjustments from stereo cartridges. I’d like to optimize the sound for pre ’65 jazz…Any suggestions?
PS – I know that equipment is rarely discussed here but need advice on what will work best with vintage Blue Notes, and figured this group would be much more attuned to these issues than an equip focused forum.
Big Bear, i had been using a Sumiko Blackbird which I like but wanted to get a Mono Cartridge. After reading a lot I with the Miyajima Mono Premium BE due to the excellent reviews and the 7-day money back guarantee. By the third day I had no thoughts of sending it back. In the next year I will be upgrading my stereo cart and will strongly consider the Celebration and the Miyajima stereo carts. The Miyajima mono sounds substantially better than the blackbird on mono records(pre 65 jazz). It brings out a little more bass, but the big thing is that it is a good deal quieter allowing one to pick up details that weren’t resolved previously. I strongly recommend it.
Check out a stream of Sonny’s 80th with Ornette as a guest HERE.
This show is going to be released soon but they are streaming it for a few weeks. I dug it.
Thanks Terry, Mike and Jan for your help with mono cartridge. Might have to wait on a cartridge since I won a few auctions from the seller CeeDee referenced. Fingers crossed on gra
RE:Bob DJ-here’s another “very rare” and “ultra rare” copy of a “very early pressing” by Kenny Dorham. Hmm-could be the time to have a “doubles” fire sale…
Not to mention he calls the stereo version “ELECTRONICALLY RECHANELLED” which is not correct, it is true stereo and it is from this stereo tape that the mono fold-down comes from.
bought a copy of Compulsion/andrew hill today.
Mono, van gelder, but with on side 1 Liberty label and side 2 New York label… never knew those labels where used at the same time.It has the 27 years Blue Note insert, so i’ts the same year as the original…..
i guess the original had both sides New York label,(and ear?)….?
Aaron, I played my Whistle Stop yesterday. It is a Liberty stereo pressing. I remembered your comment. On the top right hand back corner of the cover it says that it has be electronically re-channeled to Stereo. I don’t think this is actually true as that session was most likely recorded in Stereo, so I guess this may be some marketing nonsense? I don’t know.
Hallo everybody. I´m new here. I´d like to buy Ornette Coleman? Free Jazz ATL 1364, but only option (except recent reissues) I found is original mono version for quite high price. Does anybody here own this record? I doubt, if especially this double quartet thing is listenable in mono format. Thank you for your oppinions.
Mike,re:”Whistle Stop”-the “rechanneled for stereo” lp is what I’ve been listening to for many years. I’ve always been annoyed by it’s ‘hole in the middle’ effect,so prevalent in the early steer-ree-oh! days. It definitely has the scent of’fake’ about it,so..”beware,brother,beware”!Grab the mono lp if you can.
On the other hand,Larry Young’s UNITY is one of the best recorded stereo lps I’ve heard-though from a later period. So,who knows?
I’m a mono addict but sadly I’ve the stereo first pressing. I don’t think stereo is important here ’cause soloists are quite different and easily recognizable.
On the left channel you have Coleman, Cherry, LaFaro and Higgins, on the right you have Dolphy, Hubbard, Haden and Blackwell.
Anyway I’m still looking for the mono first.
Anybody here into Eastern European jazz? I wrote an article about Modern jazz in Czechoslovakia recently. You can read and listen to some selections here: http://www.laid-back.be/blog/?p=4463
Lander: interesting article indeed. I just came back from a trip to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea where an annual jazz festival is held in Koktebel, not far from Yalta. The Eastern European scene is worth exploring.
*A VINYL TRAGEDY or was it?*
Earlier today, a friend of mine, who owns some commercial property, gives me a call and says one of his tenants just moved out and there’s a big box of records in the garbage. He starts going through them over the phone: Miles Davis, John Coltrane. Before he could get any further, I tell him I’m on my way. I thinking, who the hell throws anything from these artists into the trash? I’m thinking score! When I get there, I start fingering through them and notice the covers are sticking together, revealing water damage. Damn! Now on to the inside. To my joy, the records where a little damp, but in perfect shape, labels cleans and dry… Hope you fellow vinyl addicts can appreciate this. I scooped them up and began surgery. I spent the next 3 hours drying off records, and salvaging what I could of the covers. There were about 40 keepers. Vinyl condition very good, covers poor. Let’s not forget FREE! Some of the gems in the lot.
*Charles Mingus- The Clown- Black Label
*Miles Davis- Round About Midnight- 6eye
*Miles Davis- Kind of Blue- 6eye
*Don Cherry- Where is Brooklyn
*Ornette Coleman- Something Else- Contemporary
*Coltrane- Giant Steps- Bullseye
…and many other albums from Elvin Jones, Alice Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Cannonball Adderley, Pharoah Sanders.
today i saw Moanin (BN4003) by Art Blakey: side 1 DG, 47 west adres, side”2″ non-DG 47 west but with the label of side one also..?? so 2x side 1… (music is complete)… anyone else ever seen 2 times side 1 or 2 on one album?
Didn’t buy it (he wanted $75 for it.)
Instead bought Bone & Bari (BN1572)
United Artist label, but i always like them, thick cardboard covers, original cover and numbers and Mono!
some items which I followed closed this weekend:
Jubilee 1070- Joe Puma with Bill Evans (orig. blue label). Sold for $ 1.00 (one dollar);
Blue Note 1539- Silver Lex. Buy it now price ($ 3000) or best offer. Item unsold, reserve not met at $ 775.55.
Blue Note 4040- Hubbard orig. ditto $ 5000, resp. $ 876. Unsold, reserve not met.
The seller of the latter two is “colossus3”, who claims to have had a first pick out of Leon Leavitt’s collection.
I have an immaculate copy of Kenny Dorham’s; Quiet Kenny.. it’s a promo, NM condition on the record, VG++/NM on the sleeve. I’ve been toying with selling it on Ebay as I don’t play it, I don’t look at it.. it sits on my shelf and gathers dust.
I’m a Blue Note guy personally, and would consider trades, I’m looking mostly for 1500s or something from the 4000s.
I just picked up a Charlie (spelled Charley on the jacket & label) Christian 10″ called “Jazz Immortal” on Esoteric ESJ-1. It’s a great session with Monk on piano (Joe Guy – Trumpet, Kenny Clark – Drums, Nick Finton – Bass) and the only reference I could find has this on red vinyl yet my copy is on black vinyl. Does anyone have insight on this record?
Aaron: Esoteric Counterpoint issued in 1957 a 12″ album with the Christian material ( five numbers) and two by Dizzy with the house band at Monroe’s. I have seen the 10″ you are referring to, it was in black vinyl. Vogue (France) issued the 10 incher for distribution in France and Belgium.
My copy is black too, great music.
My copy looks mint but has a lot of crackles. I wonder if it the pressing or if the tunes were copied from 78 s. How does your copy sound ?
Aaron: it is Esoteric ES-548. It came out on budget labels in the UK, which may be easier to find. If you give me your e-mail adress I can send you a picture of the sleeve of this 1957 gem. I did not listen to it for ages. I will listen to it tonight and give you my impressions.
Aaron: these recordings were made by Jerry Newman with a portable recording machine.
I listened to my NM copy of ES-548: the Charley Christian sides (5 in total) are very good fidelity. The electric guitar is neat and very well recorded. The two Dizzy Gillespie sides (Stardust and Kerouac) are of lesser sound quality. I really enjoyed rediscovering Charley Christian.
On the red label it reads: Counterpoint Recordings (with logo) and then Esoteric Records – New York City.
I have recently picked up copies of John Coltranes ‘Lush Life’. I noticed that John Coltrane on the cover is in different colors. Two of them have original inner sleeves. One with an onion skin sleeve has Coltrane in a deep light blue. The one with the advertising inner sleeve ending with 7190 has Coltrane in white. Yet another copy no inner sleeve has Coltrane in a lighter blue. The first two seem to be indicative of first pressings with sleeves corresponding to the era. I imagine the onion skin would be first. Can anyone help with this?
Hi gentlemen,
I was visiting SF last week and I hit a kiosque who was selling coasters ,clocks and bowls made of actual lps.
I personnaly bought a few Jazz coasters and a clock for a friend.
If you are nostalgic about throwing away one of your favorite lp fulfilled of scratches and you would like to perpetue the good memories ; please find attached the website in order to provide a second life to your lp
http://www.brennanscrafts.com
Enjoy the visit. The owners are very friendly and provide excellent service .thanks
Michael P,
I’m willing to bet the copies of Lush Life with “John Coltrane” in light blue are the earlier pressings as I see the later blue trident label pressings have his name in white. Any difference in deadwax markings between your copies?
For those of you who are in need of a good laugh,I offer the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Pepper-Quartet-Modern-Art-DG-LP-/370536892418?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5645b84802
laugh ? in Greece almost no one is laughin’ now.
and for respect I suggest this seller to offer an Intro of the same record.
maybe a couple of grand would be ok for me.
I am thinking of getting a mono cartridge as my collection of mono jazz records is now of sufficent size. My turntable is a VPI Superscoutmaster and I have a second armwand for my SSM. I have an Airtight Pc-1 and Sumiko Pearwood Celebration stereo cartridges with a an alltube system.
I understand that there are different types of mono cartridges..different stylus shapes and sizes, etc. Some that are built for mono some that are just quick adjustments from stereo cartridges. I’d like to optimize the sound for pre ’65 jazz…Any suggestions?
PS – I know that equipment is rarely discussed here but need advice on what will work best with vintage Blue Notes, and figured this group would be much more attuned to these issues than an equip focused forum.
BigBear:
Try
pfanstiehl.com
They make replacement cartridges and needles for just about everything and have always been very good at answering questions.
Big Bear, i had been using a Sumiko Blackbird which I like but wanted to get a Mono Cartridge. After reading a lot I with the Miyajima Mono Premium BE due to the excellent reviews and the 7-day money back guarantee. By the third day I had no thoughts of sending it back. In the next year I will be upgrading my stereo cart and will strongly consider the Celebration and the Miyajima stereo carts. The Miyajima mono sounds substantially better than the blackbird on mono records(pre 65 jazz). It brings out a little more bass, but the big thing is that it is a good deal quieter allowing one to pick up details that weren’t resolved previously. I strongly recommend it.
I have got an ortofon mono spu cartridge, it really improves the sound quality especially of the 10 inch records in my collection.
Sonny’s Birthday show
Check out a stream of Sonny’s 80th with Ornette as a guest HERE.
This show is going to be released soon but they are streaming it for a few weeks. I dug it.
You may not have seen this list-with lots of goodies-and may want to bid. I’m tapped out this month(as usual)and won’t be competing.Not much time left,though!
http://www.ebay.com/sch/hogray/m.html?_trkparms=65%253A10%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1&rt=nc&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=3
Thanks Terry, Mike and Jan for your help with mono cartridge. Might have to wait on a cartridge since I won a few auctions from the seller CeeDee referenced. Fingers crossed on gra
….Fingers crossed on grading…
Found a copy of “Jazz ‘N Pops” from April 1959 listing all the new release and LPs available.
Not that there was ever any doubt, but I was able to spot check against Fred Cohen’s release dates in the BN Guide for the new releases that month.
Now if I can only get Doc Brown’s time traveling DeLorean to work.
and could you please Delorean us with the Blue Note release dates in your mag?
thanks
RE:Bob DJ-here’s another “very rare” and “ultra rare” copy of a “very early pressing” by Kenny Dorham. Hmm-could be the time to have a “doubles” fire sale…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KENNY-DORHAM-WHISTLE-STOP-ULTRA-RARE-BLUE-NOTE-MONO-LP-/160639806573?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2566e0ec6d
Not to mention he calls the stereo version “ELECTRONICALLY RECHANELLED” which is not correct, it is true stereo and it is from this stereo tape that the mono fold-down comes from.
Oh,oh..here we GO!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANK-MOBLEY-Blue-Note-1568-MONO-DEEP-GROOVE-ORIG-NM-unplayed-condition-/280738973706?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item415d58c80a
bought a copy of Compulsion/andrew hill today.
Mono, van gelder, but with on side 1 Liberty label and side 2 New York label… never knew those labels where used at the same time.It has the 27 years Blue Note insert, so i’ts the same year as the original…..
i guess the original had both sides New York label,(and ear?)….?
Aaron, I played my Whistle Stop yesterday. It is a Liberty stereo pressing. I remembered your comment. On the top right hand back corner of the cover it says that it has be electronically re-channeled to Stereo. I don’t think this is actually true as that session was most likely recorded in Stereo, so I guess this may be some marketing nonsense? I don’t know.
4217, New York both, Vangelder, NO P
Hallo everybody. I´m new here. I´d like to buy Ornette Coleman? Free Jazz ATL 1364, but only option (except recent reissues) I found is original mono version for quite high price. Does anybody here own this record? I doubt, if especially this double quartet thing is listenable in mono format. Thank you for your oppinions.
Mike,re:”Whistle Stop”-the “rechanneled for stereo” lp is what I’ve been listening to for many years. I’ve always been annoyed by it’s ‘hole in the middle’ effect,so prevalent in the early steer-ree-oh! days. It definitely has the scent of’fake’ about it,so..”beware,brother,beware”!Grab the mono lp if you can.
On the other hand,Larry Young’s UNITY is one of the best recorded stereo lps I’ve heard-though from a later period. So,who knows?
I’m a mono addict but sadly I’ve the stereo first pressing. I don’t think stereo is important here ’cause soloists are quite different and easily recognizable.
On the left channel you have Coleman, Cherry, LaFaro and Higgins, on the right you have Dolphy, Hubbard, Haden and Blackwell.
Anyway I’m still looking for the mono first.
To dottorjazz,re:FREE JAZZ/Ornette
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-MONO-Atlantic-white-label-PROMO-LP-Ornette-Colemans-FREE-JAZZ-NM-/220860723060?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item336c532f74
If you go for it,good luck!
thanks ceedee, I usually don’t buy promos and my stereo is mint, but…..
Anyone come across the special ‘plastycine’ version of 1568:?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD02PITPer4
Anybody here into Eastern European jazz? I wrote an article about Modern jazz in Czechoslovakia recently. You can read and listen to some selections here: http://www.laid-back.be/blog/?p=4463
Lander: interesting article indeed. I just came back from a trip to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea where an annual jazz festival is held in Koktebel, not far from Yalta. The Eastern European scene is worth exploring.
Tony: (ref. Princeton record exchange) what do you mean by this “plasticyne” version? Mine is identical, I guess. What is so special about it?
*A VINYL TRAGEDY or was it?*
Earlier today, a friend of mine, who owns some commercial property, gives me a call and says one of his tenants just moved out and there’s a big box of records in the garbage. He starts going through them over the phone: Miles Davis, John Coltrane. Before he could get any further, I tell him I’m on my way. I thinking, who the hell throws anything from these artists into the trash? I’m thinking score! When I get there, I start fingering through them and notice the covers are sticking together, revealing water damage. Damn! Now on to the inside. To my joy, the records where a little damp, but in perfect shape, labels cleans and dry… Hope you fellow vinyl addicts can appreciate this. I scooped them up and began surgery. I spent the next 3 hours drying off records, and salvaging what I could of the covers. There were about 40 keepers. Vinyl condition very good, covers poor. Let’s not forget FREE! Some of the gems in the lot.
*Charles Mingus- The Clown- Black Label
*Miles Davis- Round About Midnight- 6eye
*Miles Davis- Kind of Blue- 6eye
*Don Cherry- Where is Brooklyn
*Ornette Coleman- Something Else- Contemporary
*Coltrane- Giant Steps- Bullseye
…and many other albums from Elvin Jones, Alice Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Cannonball Adderley, Pharoah Sanders.
it’s a joke: pronounce is special!
the record is right.
Cazoon: you just founded the JRSA, Jazz Record Salvation Army.
Well done!
Cazoon — A dream come true. Congratulations.
plasticine = a brand of modelling clay, a putty-like modelling material made from calcium salts, petroleum jelly and aliphatic acids…
Basically the seller doesn’t know what he is talking about.
today i saw Moanin (BN4003) by Art Blakey: side 1 DG, 47 west adres, side”2″ non-DG 47 west but with the label of side one also..?? so 2x side 1… (music is complete)… anyone else ever seen 2 times side 1 or 2 on one album?
Didn’t buy it (he wanted $75 for it.)
Instead bought Bone & Bari (BN1572)
United Artist label, but i always like them, thick cardboard covers, original cover and numbers and Mono!
some items which I followed closed this weekend:
Jubilee 1070- Joe Puma with Bill Evans (orig. blue label). Sold for $ 1.00 (one dollar);
Blue Note 1539- Silver Lex. Buy it now price ($ 3000) or best offer. Item unsold, reserve not met at $ 775.55.
Blue Note 4040- Hubbard orig. ditto $ 5000, resp. $ 876. Unsold, reserve not met.
The seller of the latter two is “colossus3”, who claims to have had a first pick out of Leon Leavitt’s collection.
colossus3 relisted the Freddie Hubbard BLP 4040 with a buy it now price of $ 2500.
prices out of market i.e. seller out of market: anyone wanting my mint 4040 for $ 2500?
I have an immaculate copy of Kenny Dorham’s; Quiet Kenny.. it’s a promo, NM condition on the record, VG++/NM on the sleeve. I’ve been toying with selling it on Ebay as I don’t play it, I don’t look at it.. it sits on my shelf and gathers dust.
I’m a Blue Note guy personally, and would consider trades, I’m looking mostly for 1500s or something from the 4000s.
If anyone is interested you can e-mail me at robbins.aj@gmail.com
If I’m breaking some sort of rule here I apologize.
Which James Moody French Vogue 10″ from ’51 produced the “This Is Always” King Pleasure solo?
It wasn’t Vogue LD 018
same as Blue Note-5005-
Also, did that vogue ever see American pressing?
Thanks-
i think we are all waiting here for the wise words of the Vogue expert in our mids: Rudolf:)
I just picked up a Charlie (spelled Charley on the jacket & label) Christian 10″ called “Jazz Immortal” on Esoteric ESJ-1. It’s a great session with Monk on piano (Joe Guy – Trumpet, Kenny Clark – Drums, Nick Finton – Bass) and the only reference I could find has this on red vinyl yet my copy is on black vinyl. Does anyone have insight on this record?
Dan: it is (French) Vogue LD 036, which was issued in the US by Roost (10″) RLP 405.
Aaron: Esoteric Counterpoint issued in 1957 a 12″ album with the Christian material ( five numbers) and two by Dizzy with the house band at Monroe’s. I have seen the 10″ you are referring to, it was in black vinyl. Vogue (France) issued the 10 incher for distribution in France and Belgium.
My copy is black too, great music.
My copy looks mint but has a lot of crackles. I wonder if it the pressing or if the tunes were copied from 78 s. How does your copy sound ?
Jan,
My copy is in VG+ condition with constant light background noise that sounds like it could have been from a 78.
Rudolph,
Do you have a catalog number or a link to a picture of the 12″ with this material? I’d love to hear the other tunes!
Aaron: it is Esoteric ES-548. It came out on budget labels in the UK, which may be easier to find. If you give me your e-mail adress I can send you a picture of the sleeve of this 1957 gem. I did not listen to it for ages. I will listen to it tonight and give you my impressions.
Aaron: these recordings were made by Jerry Newman with a portable recording machine.
I listened to my NM copy of ES-548: the Charley Christian sides (5 in total) are very good fidelity. The electric guitar is neat and very well recorded. The two Dizzy Gillespie sides (Stardust and Kerouac) are of lesser sound quality. I really enjoyed rediscovering Charley Christian.
On the red label it reads: Counterpoint Recordings (with logo) and then Esoteric Records – New York City.
Rudolf, thank you so much for the info, I was able to find a few copies of ES-548 on eBay.
WOW!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkGStgRfuxI&feature=related
(with clifford jordan)