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  • The first one looks like a regular label to me and also the small label does not have INC. on it. Tough question though, the first one has the same colors as the original small label mono but with a later Riverside logo while the second one, with different colors, has the earlier logo. It comes down to which style of catalog number came first. According to jazzdisco.org RLP 1150 is reissue of Riverside RLP 12-305.

  • PS- The back slick on 1150 looks to be the earlier style than the one on 12-305 so jazzdisco.org might not be correct.

  • the 1100 series have the original Riverside first stereo pressings. On the back slick the early stereos had the stereo explanation box. The later stereo versions had the 9 prefix. Theorange band on top is alsoa phenomenon of later pressings.
    Do both have the same catalogue extract on the rear?

  • #1 Has the catalogue number RLP 12-305 on the back. The slick appears identical to the mono slick. However the catalogue number on the spine and top left of the front cover is 1150.
    #2 Has the stereo explanation box and the catalogue number on the back is RLP 1150.

  • everything indicates that # 2 is the original.

    My question on the catalogue extract related to the section “other Riverside records we recommend/you might like” or something like that. They come with some selected items. The second issues sometimes give later issues, unknown at the time of issue of the first pressing.

  • Very interesting. I would’ve thought #1 was the original based on the small label. I learned something. Thanks John Lindsay for bringing it up and Rudolf for answering.

  • Thank you for solving that puzzle.

  • John, you are welcome. There is one more criterion I forgot to mention: the way the Riverside logo is written on the front cover. In the second version it is written with an ellips around. The original version is without the ellips. Diificult to describe, but the way it is pictured on your 2nd image.
    There is one caveat: in the past many people, including myself, changed covers, if they could improve on neatness. So, one can never be 100 % sure of anything.

  • Anybody see this odd copy of Out To Lunch being sold by our friend bobdjukic? http://www.ebay.com/itm/350546789482?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
    I’ve never seen a vintage Blue Note with a small pressing ring in the center like this, anyone else? No mention of an “ear” so probably a Liberty pressing but still curious.

  • Hi Aaron (and everybody else as this is my first post!)

    I doubt that this 4163 is a first pressing. As you have mentioned, no original first pressing has such a small pressing ring on the label.
    First pressings should show the following characteristics:
    1- Label address: New York USA (OK)
    2- Deep Groove on side 1 only (NO)
    3- Ear or “P” mark on dead wax (not mentioned, so NO)
    4- VAN GELDER stamped (OK)
    5- Address on back cover: 43 West 61st St., New York 23 (OK)
    6- “Printed in USA” appears to the right of the back cover address (OK).

    Quite many features are there, but The deep groove and the “ear” are not! Not to forget the strange small pressing ring on the label.

    I think without the deep groove and the “ear”, this record cannot be considered a first issue.

  • Dolphy/Blue Note/Djukic: there is something else which amazes me: the colour of the sleeve. It looks like somebody did some patchwork. I never saw green mixed in with the blue. So the razor story has a logic.
    The small pressing ring looks European.

  • Rudolf,
    If you look at both pictures you can see that the green areas are just from a digital camera defect. The small pressing ring (but not the label) looks like the ones found on the 180g Connoisseur series pressed at RTI.

  • I have recently bought a few classic 10” LPs – The Quintet: Jazz At Massey Hall (Vol1 & 3), Thelonious Monk: Genius Of Modern Music. All of them are near mint and sound fabulous, so I want to preserve them carefully.
    I’m trying to locate poly-lined or rice paper-lined 10” sleeves that have die-cut holes that are big enough to show the whole of a 10” LP label (not the inners which are made for 78rpm discs with the smaller holes).
    I have scoured the internet and cannot find anyone selling such a product. If anyone has any recommendations or some they’d consider selling I’d be made up (I need between 10 and 20). The only caveat is that I don’t want the vintage poly-lined ones we had in the UK in the 50s as that plastic can occasionally react with some discs and stick to the playing surface.

  • This is a rare-and cheap-Blakey LP that I dig. One of his most underrated dates,it has swinging arrangements and a great ensemble sound!http://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Blakey-Jazz-Messengers-Golden-Boy-Lee-Morgan-Wayne-Shorter-Colpix-478-ST-/180852507584?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2a1ba643c0r
    Also;John L.,I get a lot of my shipping/storage material from Bags Unlimited. They should have what you need for 10″ lps.

  • John, I get good stuff for 10″ records at Bags Unlimited as well.

    Ceedee, I got that record for $10 years ago and I definitely enjoy it. I really dig the cover, Blakey has that “Don’t mess with me” thing going. I want to frame it and put it on my front door.

  • As I become increasingly more and more obsessed by jazz and ,in particular jazz on vinyl, I realize I am not going to be able to afford certain ‘rare’ sessions. I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction regarding reissues. Blue Note for certain. What is the recommendation of the community here? Later Liberty pressings, Japan, Connoisseur Series? Thanks for the advice.

  • Thanks Mike and Ceedee. I’ll give BI a try.

  • Cazoon,
    I think you will get an array of answers. For late pressing Blue Notes, there has been some discussion about what is the best road. It depends what you are going for, the best quality audio, or something with collectible value.
    An example, Late 70s/early 80s Japanese King pressings are moderate collectibles. Usually go for $30-$150. I have a few of them but personnally I tend to prefer Classic Records reissues. Better bass response. It’s hard to go wrong with the King pressings though. The late 90s Toshiba pressings I have sound very thin, almost shrill. I think I’ve seen this opinion around here as well.
    I don’t really care for to many of the CD reissues from Blue Note. The connoisseur series contains stuff that wasn’t originally issued(except in Japan or a Mosaic box), this makes it hard to pass up. I personally don’t care for the RVG series, or the Japanese reissues but others on this board will disagree. I would much rather get one of the SACD reissues.
    Liberty pressings are hit and miss, but at a nice price I’d grab one every time.
    I’m in a minority here, but for sound quality alone I tend to go for the audiophile reissues. They are pricey though.
    This question will get you a few different answers, so the best thing to do is experiment. Also, figure out if you are going for items with collectible value or you only want a good value or if you want the best sound quality. This will save you some time.

  • Thanks Mike…Very helpful!

  • Dear Folks,

    The Austin & Ann Hill Jazz Collection

    Sadly, having survived his wife by a matter of months, this year saw the passing of Austin Hill. During his life Austin was an avid collector of rare and unusual jazz recordings and it is the request of his estate that the collection be kept in tact. It has fallen to me to attempt to catalogue this collection and see if I can find a suitable home where it will be cared for and enjoyed by as large an audience as possible.

    To this end, I have carefully photographed both front and reverse side of each recording in the collection, along with other related publications, journals and artefacts which Mr. Hill’s estate would like to see comprise this collection.

    For now, I have placed photographs of the collection on the Flickr web service. You will find these photos in three “sets” at

    Austin & Ann Hill Jazz Collection
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jazzarchive/collections/72157629238012496/

    The sets are;
    1. Recordings – (Front cover only – Back covers available soon or on request)
    2. Library – photographs from the shelves showing the publications in the collection
    3. Ephemera – Magazines, journals and sheet music of “Valise Ione” by W. E. Jordan with dedication from composer 1941

    Please note that the easiest way to view more than one image in Flickr is to select one of the sets from the Collection page above and then hit the “Slideshow” button.

    I hope you find the collection of interest and would appreciate your thoughts on how we might best seek suitable curation for it’s future, or whether the collection should be broken up and sold individually.

    I hope this is the right place for such a posting. My sincere apologies if not. In the meantime I would look forward to having your thoughts on this collection.

    Yours faithfully
    Alexander Gater
    on behalf of the Executors of the estate of Austin Hill

  • JF-from the looks of those listings,it(you) might be better served by ‘slicing and dicing’-splitting it up-to get anything of note. Overall,I’d say a word with the folks at Rutgers Institute Of Jazz Studies might help. Ephemera is what they do(at least,in part). There is also a gathering of collectors that specialize in “oldtime jazz”-for lack of a better term-soon to come in NJ this summer. It was written up by Al recently on this site. If nothing else,some other contact info could come from a phone call or such. Good luck!

    http://newarkwww.rutgers.edu/IJS/

  • John L: Sleeve CIty is good source too for bags, etc.
    http://www.sleevetown.com/

  • How many Prestige 12″ titles were pressed by Plastylite? I just picked up an original flat-edge pressing of PRLP 7007, The Musings of Miles, and was surprised to find the “P” in the deadwax and text on the back cover that reads: custom made pressing by “PLASTYLITE” This is a first for me as I didn’t know Prestige used them.

  • there are a few, very early 7000-series and late 200 (10″)-series items on Prestige which were pressed by Plastylite. I recently sold PrLp 208 (King Pleasue) which was Plastylite. I have the 7007 too in Plastylite, but this is a very scarce first print.

  • in addition to my last: I found another Plastylite pressing on Prestige # 210 Bennie Green (10″).

  • My Sonny Rollins PRLP 190 has the ear too. Recognised it for the first time today. Now I know why I always thought that this is despite beeing a 10 inch pressing one of my best sounding records. Great Sonny.

  • Found some more: PRLP 113 140 154 158 and 159

  • Jan: I checked just two albums you mentioned: 140 and 190. Mine have the ears too.
    The ones I mentioned in my previous comments all have something more: a special mention on the back cover “pressing by Plastylite”. This is special, more special than the ears (P) themselves.
    I agree with your quality remark for 190, but would have thought the high quality is in the first place because of the engineering by Rudy van Gelder, amongst the first he did for Prestige.

  • brilliantcorners

    Sonny Clark LP on Time, Does Anybody Know If This is Original ? It’s on Ebay at The Moment, Described as “OG”. Is That Rare ? Thanks.

  • Rudolf of course you are right.
    The most important thing is the mastering work and combined with a high quality pressing you get a perfect result. Checked my copy of 7007. It has the NY adress but no ear and no hint for plastylite on the cover. The one you have got must be really really rare.

  • brilliantcorners: the Time trio LP of Sonny Clark (“OG”) is an original. The cover looks to be in awful condition.

  • @ceedee:
    agreed. how ridiculous.

  • Although, to be fair, there was a copy of Byrd in Flight that sold for more than $1,700 late last year, so it’s not completely out of the realm:

    https://jazzcollector.com/?s=byrd+in+flight&x=0&y=0

  • RE:Byrd In Flight-Al,I used to have a bottom line on ‘ridiculous’..if it costs more than I paid for my first car($450,as I recall) it was too much. That figure has been surpassed long ago for many buyers,but not for me. I note that your mention of the price paid last year was nearly SIX TIMES the highest price paid in your accounting. It looks like the seller simply said,”Well,if somebody paid that much one time,another bidder risked nearly as much. Maybe they’re still out there!” so the “minimum” is suddenly $1,700. My gut feeling-or perhaps my hope-is that if suddenly most Blue Notes of that period start “demanding” those kind of minimal payments,people will begin to balk,eventually bringing the prices down to a more “reasonable” figure:about what my Chevy S/S cost me in ’69.

  • the seller was right about one thing though: My Girl Shirl is fantastic!! 😉

  • i have a liberty pressing, and strangly enough: the same notes as the original!!! :-))

  • Those interested in a “second pressing vs.original” debate might find this of note. This Serge Chaloff lp features Sonny Clark(good),but is not the original release(with teal label),in spite of the listing which states otherwise. Too much?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=360453397454&nma=true&rt=nc&si=wG2DAHFvekgkkPPLg%252BPbn8fWZvM%253D&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

  • ceedee: Blue Serge -I went through the description of this second pressing, but could not find any claim by seller that it is an original. Seller just gives the details with pictures included. Did I miss something?

  • Rudolf: Yes-
    ORIGINAL U.S. PRESSING: CAPITOL RECORDS ()

  • ceedee: you are right.

  • Does anybody know which is the first cover for the 1960 Paul Desmond album “First Place Again” on Warner Bros. Records, the b&w portrait or the people holding up the signs in the stands?

  • my feeling is that the one with people holding up the signs is the first issue. Waiting for more knowledgeable readers to confirm (or invalidate).

  • Looking for serious buyer of a very rare record, dizzie gillepsie, night and day (cole porter) 78 10″ under the the English esquire label 10-363, will not find this anywhere else, believe me I’ve tried contact me on markmay1991@hotmail.com

  • Info on a possible Blue Note mispressing?

    I have two copies of Jimmy Smith’s Midnight Special, both NY USA ear pressings, one stereo and one mono.

    On side 1/A of the stereo pressing, in the trail-out there’s the ‘RVG STEREO’ stamp, but on side 2/B, there’s just ‘RVG’

    On the mono pressing, both sides have the trail-out ‘RVG’

    On all my other various BN’s, the ‘RVG’ designation was used on monos and the ‘RVG STEREO’ was used for the stereos (except for later pressings, where it becomes separate ‘VAN GELDER’ and ‘STEREO’ stamps).

    The handscratched LP numbering on the stereo pressing say ‘BN-ST 84078 – A’ and ‘BN-ST 84078 BL’

    I know, I know, if I could listen to it, I’d probably know if one side was stereo and the other mono, but I just don’t have a turntable set up in the house just now…

    Anybody ever seen something like this? A mix up at Plastylite perhaps?

    Thanks!

  • Hello fellow jazz collectors, I have a question regarding Sonny Rollins – A Night At The Village Vanguard LP (Blue Note 1581). As an original copy, the label has the 47 WEST 63rd-NYC address, and there is a later pressing which has the New York USA address on both sides.

    Now, I have a copy with the New York USA address on side 1 and the 47 WEST 63rd-NYC address on side 2.

    This makes me wonder if my copy was released together with the New York USA (both sides) run, but with a recycled 47 WEST 63rd-NYC label. Or is this a later pressing than the New York USA run?

    The record has RVG, P and DG on both sides.

    Thanks in advance.

  • Lander. Seems like it was probably a New York USA pressing with a spare West 63rd label. If it has the deep grooves and ear it wouldn’t be a later pressing. I imagine it’s on pretty heavy vinyl and probably sounds great, right?

  • @ Al: Yes indeed, it has the deep groove and it’s on heavy vinyl with great sound. Plus it came with the ’25 years of Blue Note’ inner sleeve, which would make sense. Thanks.

  • knew this site allready, but never watched this page. Interesting, because you get some nice quotes of the musicians between the discography:

    http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Blakey/chron.htm

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