Erich: RLP 12-224 is an absolutely gorgeous album. The problem is that there were so many similar fine pianists in the same Bud Powell vein (Sonny Clark, Hampton Hawes, Lou Levy etc, etc.), whereas Bill Evans had developed something excitingly new. Moreover he had had his stint with Miles, which gave extra publicity.
Bill and Kenny were both Riverside artists at the time, so, theoretically, they had the same commercial backing from their recording company.
Erich if you are looking for more great music from Kenny Drew keep looking for Sahib Shihab “Sentiments” on the Danish Storyville label. Kenny Drew is a sideman there and the music is wonderfull.
Erich: Kenny Drew made 3 duo albums with Wilbur Ware for the Judson label, an affiliate of Riverside (in 1957), with music from Broadway shows. A real gas was his trio album RLP 12-249 with Wilbur Ware and Philly Joe, also recorded in 1957.
Does anyone happen to know which Atlantic label is the first pressing for Ornette Coleman’s -The Shape of Jazz to Come 1317 ??? I have a DG bullseye copy now, but I am wondering if this one was ever pressed with a black DG label as well ?
Any of you cats know which is the original cover for the Verve side “Gerry Mulligan Meets Paul Desmond”? I have a black and white one with just their heads and a color one that’s a split screen sort of thing. I assume the former is the first but it has a Verve “T” label LP while the color has a trumpet label LP. I wonder if they got mixed up. I only want to keep whichever is the first. Thanks for any help!
Well heck, always check eBay first! Someone is selling a sealed “T” press (inner bag sealed) with the black and white sleeve. If this is a sealed “T” press why isn’t it in the Verve paper inner sleeve? So confusing…
Don Lucky: I asked myself the same question. I have a bull’s eye 1317, but my 1327 has a green stereo label, so I would have thought that a black label exists there too. The inner sleeve of 1327 ends with catalogue number 1327, so it is a first pressing. My 1317 inner does not seem to be the original. Have you got one? I think the clue is to be found there. Please check yours, of 1317 I mean.
Japhy: Mulligan/Desmond Verve 8246: I only know the multi coloured sleeve 2 portrait sleeve with trumpeter label and a violet coloured photo sleeve with the T label. Black and white is new to me.
Thanks Rudolf. Yeah, if you peek at eBay you’ll see both covers, and while the titles are different, the session is the same. Yet another in the long line of mysterious cover changes for reissues.
Japhy: I had a look: there are at least 5 original 8246 albums with the trumpeter label. I saw 2 “Blues in Time”, which is a re-issue. The second T-version of 8246 is not around at the moment. This is the one with one violet/rose front cover picture of Gerry and Paul. ry to get one of the original 8246 albums. They are gorgeous.
Thanks for looking into that one for me Rudolf. (Greatly appreciated as always !)
Unfortunately my copy of this classic LP came with a new sleeve so there I can’t use that as a possible tell at the moment. I checked Popsike and ebay to see what other variations have been up for sale, but based on my findings so far, if there is a black label variation, it could be quite a rare find.
Let me know if you ever come across one in your travels. Thanks again !
I have recently received a copy of the James Moody record “The Moody Story” on EmArcy (MG 36031). It is a typical EmArcy, with the Blue writing on the back cover and with the drummer on the label, but the label on the record is grey instead of blue. Anyone know what this means? Thanks,
I ask this a few weeks ago to no response so I’ll try again. I’ve seen early issues of Bill Evans & Jim Hall’s Undercurrent with different labels, some have the gray United Artists Jazz label, like my copy, and others with a standard black United Artists label. Is one an earlier pressing or were they just from different plants?
Aaron: I would guess tha the grey label with the musician is the original. I know of later black labels in the 4000-series. The 14000-series came originally with the grey labels.
n.b. the stereo series for both were resp. 5000 and 15000.
The 4000-series is one of the more neglected parts in late fifties jazz. Art Farmer, Golson, Thad Jones, C. Fuller, Cecil Taylor, Mingus, R. Weston, Bob Brookmeyer, Booker Little, etc.. Fantastic and well recorded.
hello, I have for sale a very rare record from the beginning of ’50 MILES DAVIS “s’il vous plait” arrang by J. Lewis, with G. Mulligan, Max Roach , Lee Konitz and Miles . This record is from Capitol. Only one title on this record 10 inches. This record is certainly a private recording.
contact ( France) md.arbonne@yahoo.fr
regards
Rudolf I am listening to Miles Davis on Philips at the moment.
I got a mint- copy on ebay for Euro 28 and the sleeve and of course the mucic are really gorgeous !
Many thanks for your advice/recommendation.
Jan
I just picked up a second pressing (Verve Inc. T-label) of Billie Holiday’s “All Or Nothing At All” and noticed that the spine printing is just like a Columbia album with 14 horizontal lines after the title and the “Lp” logo above the catalog number. Are they all like this and does anyone know why?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just heard that the great pianist and composer Hank Jones passed away in New York yesterday at the rip old age of 91… He will be greatly missed.
Perhaps someone can do a mini-review of some dates on which Hank Jones was featured? Such a class act,and never a wasted note! I think Gil Noble had an informative interview with him many years ago on “Like It Is”. Hope to see that again…
Hi everybody. I am listening to The Cannonball Adderley Qunintet in San Francisco. This is one of the Riverside LP’s I purchased from Al. This was recorded live at the Jazz Workshop in 1959. Absolutely terrific album! Al, many thanks for parting with this one. Riverside is just a great label, and was previously unknown to me until last year (I am a Verne, Impulse and Prestige nut.)
I have a question for you 78 experts. What is the difference between the Blue Label and Black Label Vocalion releases? My assumption is that the Blue labels are reissues. Any thoughts?
Topic: Cover Request. Total shot in the dark but can’t think of a better place to ask. By any chance does anyone have an extra cover for Pacific Jazz 1224 – Chet Baker & Crew? I’ve got the vinyl but no cover. I figure if you guys are like me you wind up with your fair share of covers missing their vinyl so I figured it was worth a shot to ask! Of course I will pay, or perhaps I’ve got a cover you need! Thanks.
Help wanted ! Can someone help a brother out please? I am in search of a reliable source to place a value on my Blue Note CD collection. I know…I know….I muttered the word CDs, not vinyl.
I have over 100 Blue Note CDs, mint condition, original cases and cover art, discs are unblemished-no scratches-no problems. You know the deal…I have Blakey to Byrd, Henderson to Hubbard, Shorter, Hancock, etc. Is there someone who can place an estimated value per CD, and/or for the whole collection of 100 CDs? Any help is much appreciated.
Gregory,it sounds like you’re looking for a price that can generate some interest for an auction-type sale? If that’s the case,I’d probably have a starting price of $250 or so,with the expectation that bidding could take it over the $300 mark. Too low,you think? Well,the problem with this kind of sale(the ” A to Z” type)is that unless you’re hoping to sell to a complete novice,people generally have a good number of those discs. I mean,that’s why the word “essential” is one so easily applied to the Blue Note cataloque. If your list includes a lot of post-70,Blackbyrds type funk,the demand for cds may be somewhat less. Just my 2 cents.
I have a large collection of DownBeat magazines dating from 1940 thru 2009 with some years hard-bound, most years complete, all in good condition. Would like to sell complete collection.
I live in Maryland.
I for one vastly prefer the original style with the new posts at the top. It feels counter intuitive to me to scroll to the bottom for the most recent material. Anyone else?
Sorry Al, I’m with Aaron on this… The wife is monopolizing the laptop yet again and I am scrolling on my iphone. It takes awhile to get down to the bottom of the forum and I am all thumbs ! Any thoughts on that suggestion to put a date button at the top to switch between oldest to most current postings similar to the price guide ?
Hello my dear friends. I wish to make a small contribution in the coming days on a French label, Disques Vogue, Paris.
Subjects to be treated:
-the role played by Vogue for the spread of American Jazz in Western Europe;
-their bold iniative to send Henri Renaud to the Apple to organize recording sessions;
-their courage to record local European talent;
-their role in supplying major US jazz labels with leased Vogue material.
So I will be back soon.
Hello, Rudolf. If you would rather do your treatise on French labels as a post, just send it to me in an email and I will put it on the site as a Guest Column. This way it will be easier for people to find it when they do searches. — al
Most of you here are familiar with Euclid Records on eBay. This week our local St. Louis alterna-rag has a featurette interview with Euclid owner Joe Schwab. No talk of jazz in it but thought some of you might be interested in reading. find it here.
Hi,can any of you kind jazz collectors out there offer some advice.My Danish hubby and I have inherited an incredible vinyl collection from his uncle.Over 6,000 vinyl and 5,000cds.Jazz was literally his whole life and he had been collecting since 1950s.We have only researched 150 of them randomly and the cheapest so far was 30 pounds and some we cant even find.We would like to keep around 200 for ourselves his favourites and sell the others to a good home in his memory he was a wonderful man but so many,any advice.Thankyou.
Rudolf: just saw the hint you gave, but i’m too late.Hope you made a nice price. I must say i am focussing on Blue Notes, to keep it all a bit sane…
If you have BN’s for sale i am always interested.I collect up to liberty presings and japanese…But thanks for your considerations regarding Booker..
Erich: RLP 12-224 is an absolutely gorgeous album. The problem is that there were so many similar fine pianists in the same Bud Powell vein (Sonny Clark, Hampton Hawes, Lou Levy etc, etc.), whereas Bill Evans had developed something excitingly new. Moreover he had had his stint with Miles, which gave extra publicity.
Bill and Kenny were both Riverside artists at the time, so, theoretically, they had the same commercial backing from their recording company.
Rudolf, thanks for the added information. Very helpful as always. It’s great to have so many great jazz piano players to listen to.
Erich if you are looking for more great music from Kenny Drew keep looking for Sahib Shihab “Sentiments” on the Danish Storyville label. Kenny Drew is a sideman there and the music is wonderfull.
Erich: Kenny Drew made 3 duo albums with Wilbur Ware for the Judson label, an affiliate of Riverside (in 1957), with music from Broadway shows. A real gas was his trio album RLP 12-249 with Wilbur Ware and Philly Joe, also recorded in 1957.
Please, could anyone help me to determine the value of this antique 78 rpm record? It is from the early 30-ies, German production, I think…
Brunswick:
Don Redman and his Orchestra
I got rhythm/Hot and anxious
Here are the photos of the labels:
http://i43.tinypic.com/359a7uq.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/fm2hqp.jpg
Thank you!
Does anyone happen to know which Atlantic label is the first pressing for Ornette Coleman’s -The Shape of Jazz to Come 1317 ??? I have a DG bullseye copy now, but I am wondering if this one was ever pressed with a black DG label as well ?
Any of you cats know which is the original cover for the Verve side “Gerry Mulligan Meets Paul Desmond”? I have a black and white one with just their heads and a color one that’s a split screen sort of thing. I assume the former is the first but it has a Verve “T” label LP while the color has a trumpet label LP. I wonder if they got mixed up. I only want to keep whichever is the first. Thanks for any help!
Well heck, always check eBay first! Someone is selling a sealed “T” press (inner bag sealed) with the black and white sleeve. If this is a sealed “T” press why isn’t it in the Verve paper inner sleeve? So confusing…
Don Lucky: I asked myself the same question. I have a bull’s eye 1317, but my 1327 has a green stereo label, so I would have thought that a black label exists there too. The inner sleeve of 1327 ends with catalogue number 1327, so it is a first pressing. My 1317 inner does not seem to be the original. Have you got one? I think the clue is to be found there. Please check yours, of 1317 I mean.
Japhy: Mulligan/Desmond Verve 8246: I only know the multi coloured sleeve 2 portrait sleeve with trumpeter label and a violet coloured photo sleeve with the T label. Black and white is new to me.
Thanks Rudolf. Yeah, if you peek at eBay you’ll see both covers, and while the titles are different, the session is the same. Yet another in the long line of mysterious cover changes for reissues.
Japhy: I had a look: there are at least 5 original 8246 albums with the trumpeter label. I saw 2 “Blues in Time”, which is a re-issue. The second T-version of 8246 is not around at the moment. This is the one with one violet/rose front cover picture of Gerry and Paul. ry to get one of the original 8246 albums. They are gorgeous.
Thanks for looking into that one for me Rudolf. (Greatly appreciated as always !)
Unfortunately my copy of this classic LP came with a new sleeve so there I can’t use that as a possible tell at the moment. I checked Popsike and ebay to see what other variations have been up for sale, but based on my findings so far, if there is a black label variation, it could be quite a rare find.
Let me know if you ever come across one in your travels. Thanks again !
I have recently received a copy of the James Moody record “The Moody Story” on EmArcy (MG 36031). It is a typical EmArcy, with the Blue writing on the back cover and with the drummer on the label, but the label on the record is grey instead of blue. Anyone know what this means? Thanks,
Vince
Hi, Vincent. I looked at my copy and the label is blue. Not sure about the grey label but somebody out there should have an answer.
I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN GREY LABELS AROUND. I SAW ONE ON EBAY FOR # 36070. THEY ARE RARE AND SEE TO BE ORIGINAL.
READ: “SEEM”
Aaron Says:
I ask this a few weeks ago to no response so I’ll try again. I’ve seen early issues of Bill Evans & Jim Hall’s Undercurrent with different labels, some have the gray United Artists Jazz label, like my copy, and others with a standard black United Artists label. Is one an earlier pressing or were they just from different plants?
Aaron: I would guess tha the grey label with the musician is the original. I know of later black labels in the 4000-series. The 14000-series came originally with the grey labels.
n.b. the stereo series for both were resp. 5000 and 15000.
The 4000-series is one of the more neglected parts in late fifties jazz. Art Farmer, Golson, Thad Jones, C. Fuller, Cecil Taylor, Mingus, R. Weston, Bob Brookmeyer, Booker Little, etc.. Fantastic and well recorded.
hello, I have for sale a very rare record from the beginning of ’50 MILES DAVIS “s’il vous plait” arrang by J. Lewis, with G. Mulligan, Max Roach , Lee Konitz and Miles . This record is from Capitol. Only one title on this record 10 inches. This record is certainly a private recording.
contact ( France) md.arbonne@yahoo.fr
regards
Rudolf I am listening to Miles Davis on Philips at the moment.
I got a mint- copy on ebay for Euro 28 and the sleeve and of course the mucic are really gorgeous !
Many thanks for your advice/recommendation.
Jan
Geen dank Jan, I was happy to share my experience, and I am glad you enjoy.
I just picked up a second pressing (Verve Inc. T-label) of Billie Holiday’s “All Or Nothing At All” and noticed that the spine printing is just like a Columbia album with 14 horizontal lines after the title and the “Lp” logo above the catalog number. Are they all like this and does anyone know why?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just heard that the great pianist and composer Hank Jones passed away in New York yesterday at the rip old age of 91… He will be greatly missed.
FYI today would have been Jackie McLean’s 78th birthday…
Had just read Don Lucky’s news re Hank Jones when the BBC did a short obit on the 6pm news (Radio 4) Glad he’s getting his due props.
Perhaps someone can do a mini-review of some dates on which Hank Jones was featured? Such a class act,and never a wasted note! I think Gil Noble had an informative interview with him many years ago on “Like It Is”. Hope to see that again…
Hi everybody. I am listening to The Cannonball Adderley Qunintet in San Francisco. This is one of the Riverside LP’s I purchased from Al. This was recorded live at the Jazz Workshop in 1959. Absolutely terrific album! Al, many thanks for parting with this one. Riverside is just a great label, and was previously unknown to me until last year (I am a Verne, Impulse and Prestige nut.)
I have a question for you 78 experts. What is the difference between the Blue Label and Black Label Vocalion releases? My assumption is that the Blue labels are reissues. Any thoughts?
Topic: Cover Request. Total shot in the dark but can’t think of a better place to ask. By any chance does anyone have an extra cover for Pacific Jazz 1224 – Chet Baker & Crew? I’ve got the vinyl but no cover. I figure if you guys are like me you wind up with your fair share of covers missing their vinyl so I figured it was worth a shot to ask! Of course I will pay, or perhaps I’ve got a cover you need! Thanks.
Good idea, Japhy. Can’t help you on Chet Baker, but I have a copy of True Blue that could use a cover. Anyone out there?
Happy 84th birthday (anniversary) Miles…
Help wanted ! Can someone help a brother out please? I am in search of a reliable source to place a value on my Blue Note CD collection. I know…I know….I muttered the word CDs, not vinyl.
I have over 100 Blue Note CDs, mint condition, original cases and cover art, discs are unblemished-no scratches-no problems. You know the deal…I have Blakey to Byrd, Henderson to Hubbard, Shorter, Hancock, etc. Is there someone who can place an estimated value per CD, and/or for the whole collection of 100 CDs? Any help is much appreciated.
Gregory – my best guess based on past experience when selling to a store is $3-4 per CD.
Gregory,it sounds like you’re looking for a price that can generate some interest for an auction-type sale? If that’s the case,I’d probably have a starting price of $250 or so,with the expectation that bidding could take it over the $300 mark. Too low,you think? Well,the problem with this kind of sale(the ” A to Z” type)is that unless you’re hoping to sell to a complete novice,people generally have a good number of those discs. I mean,that’s why the word “essential” is one so easily applied to the Blue Note cataloque. If your list includes a lot of post-70,Blackbyrds type funk,the demand for cds may be somewhat less. Just my 2 cents.
I have a large collection of DownBeat magazines dating from 1940 thru 2009 with some years hard-bound, most years complete, all in good condition. Would like to sell complete collection.
I live in Maryland.
I for one vastly prefer the original style with the new posts at the top. It feels counter intuitive to me to scroll to the bottom for the most recent material. Anyone else?
Sorry Al, I’m with Aaron on this… The wife is monopolizing the laptop yet again and I am scrolling on my iphone. It takes awhile to get down to the bottom of the forum and I am all thumbs ! Any thoughts on that suggestion to put a date button at the top to switch between oldest to most current postings similar to the price guide ?
I find new posts on the top easier to handle
Hello my dear friends. I wish to make a small contribution in the coming days on a French label, Disques Vogue, Paris.
Subjects to be treated:
-the role played by Vogue for the spread of American Jazz in Western Europe;
-their bold iniative to send Henri Renaud to the Apple to organize recording sessions;
-their courage to record local European talent;
-their role in supplying major US jazz labels with leased Vogue material.
So I will be back soon.
Hello, Rudolf. If you would rather do your treatise on French labels as a post, just send it to me in an email and I will put it on the site as a Guest Column. This way it will be easier for people to find it when they do searches. — al
O.K. I will do that. Please give me your email adress.
Most of you here are familiar with Euclid Records on eBay. This week our local St. Louis alterna-rag has a featurette interview with Euclid owner Joe Schwab. No talk of jazz in it but thought some of you might be interested in reading. find it here.
Hi,can any of you kind jazz collectors out there offer some advice.My Danish hubby and I have inherited an incredible vinyl collection from his uncle.Over 6,000 vinyl and 5,000cds.Jazz was literally his whole life and he had been collecting since 1950s.We have only researched 150 of them randomly and the cheapest so far was 30 pounds and some we cant even find.We would like to keep around 200 for ourselves his favourites and sell the others to a good home in his memory he was a wonderful man but so many,any advice.Thankyou.
Great idea Rudolf,
I am interested in the vogue label becuase there are some very nice recordings, but there is very little information about it.
Maarten, some time ago you wrote you are digging Booker Ervin.
I have one for sale on EBay. Search under seller “fiftiesjazz”.
Rudolf: just saw the hint you gave, but i’m too late.Hope you made a nice price. I must say i am focussing on Blue Notes, to keep it all a bit sane…
If you have BN’s for sale i am always interested.I collect up to liberty presings and japanese…But thanks for your considerations regarding Booker..
Maarten; It is a pity, just sold 4 Blue Notes (Lex/47W63).
..Rudolf, If you don’t mention the tiltles, then i can go on thinking i already had those albums:-)
Epic Label Jazz: Why do these (yellow and black label) seem to generate high bids on eBay?
Are they very rare/limited original sales?
I am always surprised by what these go for.
Thanks.