thanks terry,my way of understanding is:double sided dg=first pressing until 4059.
no dg=first pressing after 4059.
all other combinations=no first pressing
if correct looks simple
Dottorjazz,
Absolutely correct! However, remember that BN assigned catalog numbers at the time of recording, not at the time of release. For reasons known only to Alfred, they did not come to market in the order of recording. There are about a dozen numbers BEFORE 4059 that came out after it, so there are no known deep groove pressings for them.
I’ll try terry,but not sure to succeed:my brain’s is goin’ into water and I’ve called you ceedee.I’m sorry.I mixed you both while writing at the same time on last post mono vs stereo.
I used the $2000 Furitech album flattener to work on a horrible warp I had on a Herfbie Hancock Inventions and Dimensions I picked up for $30. The album and jacket were glorious except the vinly must have been left in a car for 3 days in the Phoenix summer. It wouldn’t come close to tracking.
Long story short, the dewarper (which is actually a slow heater toaster press type device), improved the record but not enough to make it playable. So my advice is that they work, but if the warp is crazy bad, forget about it.
You Know Jazz Is Hot (Or People Are Just Plain Nuts) When: Here’s a seller with several LPs ending in the next couple of hours. Like this one (click here) , not a single one has an item description – just a photo! On the Miles LP someone asked a question (for a description, natch) and the seller answered, yet some of these are records that are at $25 and above with hours to go, and they aren’t even described! Crazy.
I was the victim of a minor scam on EBay where I got my money back but seller had use of it for a month and obviously never had lp to begin with. another auction also from Germany with the same characteristics showed up and I am concerned. both sellers do not ship to Japan or europe. both are selling high priced blue note at bargain price. both seem to be using a picture they lifted off Popsike and both offer free shipping.
see Blue Note 1568 with buy it now price. My apologies if I am wrong about this but my gut says stay away!
Hey Jack, was that recent minor scam on ebay perpetrated by “rocktown101” by any chance ? …That bastard pulled the same scam with me on an original pressing of Freddie Hubbard’s Hub-tones LP back in June… He seems to like borrowing peoples money and wasting peoples time. I got my money back a month and a half later, but he never sent the LP and couldn’t produce any proof otherwise. From that point forward I have blacklisted the seller, and always demand shipping with a tracking number for my purchases since then. It costs a bit more but its worth it I think.
Live and learn I guess. At least we got our money back, right Jack… These days I find I am buying from trusted sellers more and more. Lucky for me, I have only been burned twice in +100 transactions so thatreally isn’t so bad. I tend to buy more from off-ebay dealers now anyway. Happy hunting !
question for rudolf re t monk prestige 7053 (archives 2008 sept.19).My copy has the cover designed by reid miles,with monk in black capitals and other lettering in black or light blue italics.address on back cover is 447 west 50th street,new york 19,n.y.
label ny.no photo on front or back cover.
which pressing is this ?
thanks
Are ‘original pressings’ and ‘first pressings’ synonymous?
In the article on this site entitled “Twelve Tips to Collecting Blue Note”, it states”
1a. First: ALL “original” (not FIRST, but original pre-Liberty) pressings have the little “ear” mark in the dead wax. It looks like a cursive “P” because that is what it is! It’s “P” for Plastylite, the pressing plant that pressed ALL original Blue Notes.
So ‘original’ could mean an ‘original second pressing’?
All first pressings are original but not all original pressings are first pressings?
the “original war” is still goin’ on:our readers have different opinions.
mine is that original=first pressing
all other issues are second,third,fourth pressings.
beautiful and desirable and cheaper,sometimes,but not original first pressing.
one example:rasputin is now offering j mclean new soil,BN 4013,as a buy it now $ 250.00
they declare original
I asked some questions and this is what they wrote me:both labels 47 west 63rd,no inc,no r on labels,inc on back cover,rvg on trail off.
and this is ok,but:NO EAR.
this is no good for me.
anyone ?
My opinion is that while there is only one “first” pressing (the initial pressing run) there can be later “original” pressings if an album is still in production by the original company. If the album goes out of print, gets a new catalog number or is produced by a different companmy it is no longer “original” but a reissue.
Aaron: re “original” pressings. I agree with your view.
Dottorjazz: PrLp 7053. The letter type cover is a second issue. Various versions exist, with NYC adress both on labels and on the rear of the cover; ditto with Bergenfield adresses all over. And finally a mixed version cover NYC, labels Bergenfield.
The original 7053 pressing came with a marvelous portrait study (no photo credit) cover. I took out my copy and it is kakubuchi!
My NYC 7054 (Blue Haze) is not kakubuchi, but my 7052 (Benny Green) and 7050 (Gene Ammons) are! Amazing indeed. My NYC 7051 (Billy Taylor) again is not kakubuchi.
do not sell to bookofballard on ebay . this buyer wanted me to refund his money before returning lp and then threatened me when I refused.
He claimed lp has deep scratch which it did not. I offered him a full refund including shipping both ways. but apparently he doesn’t want to return , obviously cause there is nothing wrong with it . He has private feedback.
unwanted bidders can be blocked on ebay by going to managing your selling page. start with help page and then follow links.
Hey Jack, bookofballard just stole one from me too. He knows the loophole in ebay’s buyer protection policy. He claims he never received the record in Japan, it was cheap enough so I didn’t use tracking, my mistake. Ebay automatically refunded his money from my account after the allotted time and no “proof” from me, other than the shipping receipt which is not acceptable as proof of shipping, (imagine that). So another bidder goes into my long list of blocked bidders! I feel your pain!
thanks rudolf:I looked in popsike and there are only 2 photo cover,which means it’s much harder to find.
I’ve another question,maybe more interesting for all of us.
Prestige New York show two different addresses on back cover:446 or 447 west 50th st.
Labels are 446 only.
my Miles Davis series is 446 up to 7025,than 447 from 7034 to 7129 except 7054,blue haze,that is 446 again.Other prestige issues around this are all 447.
Is there an exact number for transition from 446 to 447 ?
French seller vinyl.unlimited has a black label Atlantic Coltrane Giant Steps for sale. Now have a look at the labels: rather than deep grooves the labels have a small groove around the spindle hole. I checked some black label Atlantics from the same period and none has these strange labels. Any remarks? Can it be a fake?
I agree,there’s something wrong.It looks as a later pressing using an old label.I checked my blacks and they are deep grooved.Another question which lies unresolved since decades:giant steps:black dg;coltrane jazz:red/orange white swirl dg;my favorite things:red/orange white swirl NO dg;bags & trane NO dg;olè NO dg;plays the blues:deep groove;coltrane’s sound:NO dg;I’ve looked at hundreds of these non deep groove and never found one deep grooved.I ask:misfortune only ? and some of these does exist with deep groove ?
the same for ornette coleman,but I’ll ask later.
Someone here (European contributor?) in another topic mentioned deep-groove vs. non deep-groove black label Giant Steps in the past year and I thought that was bizarre as I had never seen a non deep groove copy before. Thanks for the link, now to investigating!
Aaron/dottorjazz: Atlantic Coltrane. Mine as follows:
1311-DG,whitish spinwheel, no small vertical Atantic, green/blue, 157W57 adress on rear
(my mono is a Danish bull’s eye)
1354-DG,whitish spinwheel, no small vertical Atlantic, gr/bl
(mono version on U.K. London)
1841 Broadway adress from 1354 on.
1361-small groove around the spindle, whitish spinwheel with vertical Atlantic, purple/orange
1368-small groove, whitish spinwheel without vertical Atlantic, purp/orange
Olé on U.K. London
1382-small groove,blackish spinwheel, vertical Atlantic, orange/purple
1419-ditto
At
we’ve opened atlantic pandora’s box.maybe not complicated as blue note,but with interesting details.
1354,coltrane jazz has the older address (157 west 57);1382 plays the blues has a very deep groove,black swirl,orange and red,vertical atlantic;1368.bags & trane is white promo no deep groove.
aaron’s theory looks interesting with two different pressing plant.it seems obvious that a promo should have been pressed before the regular issue.this indicates that some numbers were born not deep grooved.And now,for those of you interested in atlantic,my colemans:
1317:bullseye white/orange/purple,deep groove
1327:black,deep groove
1353:white swirl-orange/purple,small indentation spindle round
all these 157 west 57 st.
1364:same as 1353 but no address on cover
1378:same as 1353,1841 broadway (from now on)
1394:black swirl,vertical atlantic-orange/purple,but again a very deep groove
same period as coltrane,same confusion
Rudolf: With regards to that copy of John Coltrane’s Giant Steps 1311 with the Black Label, no deep groove, and a small groove off the spindle hole… I have this one myself, and I asked the very same question to Al Back in January, which he posted up on Jazz Collector on January 29th, 2010:
Joaquim responded and said it was the last variation of the original pressings… I have also heard that it was the third variation of the original pressings… No confirmation on any of this as of yet. The address on the back of the cover of my copy is the same as the Black DG version:
ATLANTIC RECORDING CORPORATION 157 WEST 57 STREET NEW YORK 19, NEW YORK
dottorjazz:
Coleman on Atlantic: for the items you mention, I have the same outcome as you, but my 1317 and 1327 are stereo. So, 1317 DG bull’s eye green/blue and 1327 DG green label.
However one exception: 1394, which has no DG but indentation around spindle hole, otherwise identical.
I sold 1364 some years ago, could not cope with the music.
don-lucky: thanks for interesting site. Correct, we discussed the black Atlantic question before. Don’t know about safety lip. My first Giant Steps was on U.K. London in mono, which I exchanged for a stereo blue/green swirl U.S. pressing. In the early sixties I did many stupid things to get stereo versions instead of my original mono versions. For Giant Steps, I managed to find a mono copy on Danish Atlantic with bull’s eye label. For Coltrane Jazz I fortunately kept my original London monaural copy. How excellent these London pressings were! By the way,
I for one, have always preferred Coltrane Jazz over Giant Steps.
Don’t feel too bad about those stereo pressings Rudolf… I have it on good authority that in the early days, Stereo pressings in many cases were done in less numbers than mono. (Especially with Blue Notes) Someday, the tides may turn and the stereo pressings may start to become much more desirable by collectors and you are well ahead of the game from the sounds of it. One thing I find with Mono is that you can hear the musicians individually, and the album cover art is less cluttered, and often less cropped.
I love Giant Steps, but to be honest, I was always partial to Blue Train, A Love Supreme and My Favourite Things… I am not that concerned about the missing deep groove on my black label, the cover seems original and it sounds great !
As for Ornette, I’ll be the first to admit he is brilliant in small doses…Free-Jazz is certainly tough on the ears sometimes and not for the ‘Sunday morning Jazz brunch’, but it can be quite the experience to see performed live. I had the opportunity to see Ornette perform here almost two years ago, and the privilege to meet him in person after the show. He is one hell of a nice guy, but a bit shy. His current ensemble mixes in some classical fusion and it really becomes inspiring. He also was a surprise guest at Sonny Rollins 80th birthday celebration show at the Beacon Theatre in NYC last month… I should check You-Tube and see if anyone has any clips… That would have be an interesting combination…
don-lucky: that sounds encouraging
for the stereo Blue Notes, although recently I changed my Blue Trane stereo for a first pressing mono. I still have Something Else and the Jazz Messengers 4003 in stereo, after an exchange from mono.
My first meeting with Trane was on Tenor Madness. I was an absolute Rollins fan at the time. Then came my first Miles Davis Qnt album Relaxin 7129. That album gave me a direct insight into Trane s art, whereupon I ordered directly from Bob Weinstock the newest Trane album available, Soultrane. The authoritive Good Bait blew me out. Then came Blue Trane and I was addicted to Trane.
I asked the French seller for the adress on the back, it is 157W57.
I have always liked O. Coleman. His early compositions for quartet are real miniatures.
ok,I admit my ignorance:looked on popske and found some copies with the “dancers” logo.So my question now is:why this particular logo and why on the interpretations of tal farlow only?
Is it a first pressing for this record or is a later one ?
dottorjazz: I never saw a dancers label on Norgran, but indeed a few on Clef. Spring to my mind the two Count Basie Dance albums and also a Johnny Hodges on Clef.
I noticed recently that the great Bruce Weber/ Chet Baker doc “Lets Get Lost” is available on dvd in England. any recent info on a US release for this goodie? Can’t imagine how such a film could remain stuck in ‘license limbo’ all these yrs…
dottorjazz: so, if I got you right, you have Tal Farlow albums on Norgran with the green dancers logo on the labels. Which catalogue numbers? Does anybody else have these too??
no,mine are all standard trumpet:only norgran 1027,interpretations of tal farlow exists with the dancers label:I don’t know if the first pressing is trumpet or dancers.
dottorjazz: the yellow trumpeter label seems tome to be the original, standard pressing. Maybe they took a dancers label for your 1027, because they ran of stock? Who knows?
thanks terry,my way of understanding is:double sided dg=first pressing until 4059.
no dg=first pressing after 4059.
all other combinations=no first pressing
if correct looks simple
Dottorjazz,
Absolutely correct! However, remember that BN assigned catalog numbers at the time of recording, not at the time of release. For reasons known only to Alfred, they did not come to market in the order of recording. There are about a dozen numbers BEFORE 4059 that came out after it, so there are no known deep groove pressings for them.
you kill me ceedee.
that dirty dozen !
if you could give each a number and no/1 dg I’ll die happy tonight.
Dottorjazz,
Live another day. Perhaps tomorrow!
I’ll try terry,but not sure to succeed:my brain’s is goin’ into water and I’ve called you ceedee.I’m sorry.I mixed you both while writing at the same time on last post mono vs stereo.
Japhy:
I used the $2000 Furitech album flattener to work on a horrible warp I had on a Herfbie Hancock Inventions and Dimensions I picked up for $30. The album and jacket were glorious except the vinly must have been left in a car for 3 days in the Phoenix summer. It wouldn’t come close to tracking.
Long story short, the dewarper (which is actually a slow heater toaster press type device), improved the record but not enough to make it playable. So my advice is that they work, but if the warp is crazy bad, forget about it.
You Know Jazz Is Hot (Or People Are Just Plain Nuts) When: Here’s a seller with several LPs ending in the next couple of hours. Like this one (click here) , not a single one has an item description – just a photo! On the Miles LP someone asked a question (for a description, natch) and the seller answered, yet some of these are records that are at $25 and above with hours to go, and they aren’t even described! Crazy.
Forget this sellers overpriced Mosaic’s-if you’re looking for rare 78’s,10 inchers or maybe just a replacement cover,there might be something here for you,all buy-it-now listings:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Erroll-Garner-10-Blue-Note-5008-/290483880869?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item43a23043a5
I was the victim of a minor scam on EBay where I got my money back but seller had use of it for a month and obviously never had lp to begin with. another auction also from Germany with the same characteristics showed up and I am concerned. both sellers do not ship to Japan or europe. both are selling high priced blue note at bargain price. both seem to be using a picture they lifted off Popsike and both offer free shipping.
see Blue Note 1568 with buy it now price. My apologies if I am wrong about this but my gut says stay away!
item sold . suspect buyer will never get item.
Hey Jack, was that recent minor scam on ebay perpetrated by “rocktown101” by any chance ? …That bastard pulled the same scam with me on an original pressing of Freddie Hubbard’s Hub-tones LP back in June… He seems to like borrowing peoples money and wasting peoples time. I got my money back a month and a half later, but he never sent the LP and couldn’t produce any proof otherwise. From that point forward I have blacklisted the seller, and always demand shipping with a tracking number for my purchases since then. It costs a bit more but its worth it I think.
no put I will post names. it seems this is a scam that is getting popular in Germany. Poor buyer just gave the seller a 2k interest free loan.
bookwood2008 was seller who “educated me” to this scam.
y10mach3turbo is the seller who I suspect is doing the same thing.
Live and learn I guess. At least we got our money back, right Jack… These days I find I am buying from trusted sellers more and more. Lucky for me, I have only been burned twice in +100 transactions so thatreally isn’t so bad. I tend to buy more from off-ebay dealers now anyway. Happy hunting !
question for rudolf re t monk prestige 7053 (archives 2008 sept.19).My copy has the cover designed by reid miles,with monk in black capitals and other lettering in black or light blue italics.address on back cover is 447 west 50th street,new york 19,n.y.
label ny.no photo on front or back cover.
which pressing is this ?
thanks
Are ‘original pressings’ and ‘first pressings’ synonymous?
In the article on this site entitled “Twelve Tips to Collecting Blue Note”, it states”
1a. First: ALL “original” (not FIRST, but original pre-Liberty) pressings have the little “ear” mark in the dead wax. It looks like a cursive “P” because that is what it is! It’s “P” for Plastylite, the pressing plant that pressed ALL original Blue Notes.
So ‘original’ could mean an ‘original second pressing’?
All first pressings are original but not all original pressings are first pressings?
Is this correct?
What does ‘non-original’ imply then?
Thank you in advance.
Ayrton
the “original war” is still goin’ on:our readers have different opinions.
mine is that original=first pressing
all other issues are second,third,fourth pressings.
beautiful and desirable and cheaper,sometimes,but not original first pressing.
one example:rasputin is now offering j mclean new soil,BN 4013,as a buy it now $ 250.00
they declare original
I asked some questions and this is what they wrote me:both labels 47 west 63rd,no inc,no r on labels,inc on back cover,rvg on trail off.
and this is ok,but:NO EAR.
this is no good for me.
anyone ?
My opinion is that while there is only one “first” pressing (the initial pressing run) there can be later “original” pressings if an album is still in production by the original company. If the album goes out of print, gets a new catalog number or is produced by a different companmy it is no longer “original” but a reissue.
Aaron: re “original” pressings. I agree with your view.
Dottorjazz: PrLp 7053. The letter type cover is a second issue. Various versions exist, with NYC adress both on labels and on the rear of the cover; ditto with Bergenfield adresses all over. And finally a mixed version cover NYC, labels Bergenfield.
The original 7053 pressing came with a marvelous portrait study (no photo credit) cover. I took out my copy and it is kakubuchi!
My NYC 7054 (Blue Haze) is not kakubuchi, but my 7052 (Benny Green) and 7050 (Gene Ammons) are! Amazing indeed. My NYC 7051 (Billy Taylor) again is not kakubuchi.
Don-Lucky: how can one blacklist someone, esp. to avoid receiving unwanted bids?
Dottorjazz: re 7053, of course, the original version is NYC all over.
do not sell to bookofballard on ebay . this buyer wanted me to refund his money before returning lp and then threatened me when I refused.
He claimed lp has deep scratch which it did not. I offered him a full refund including shipping both ways. but apparently he doesn’t want to return , obviously cause there is nothing wrong with it . He has private feedback.
unwanted bidders can be blocked on ebay by going to managing your selling page. start with help page and then follow links.
Hey Jack, bookofballard just stole one from me too. He knows the loophole in ebay’s buyer protection policy. He claims he never received the record in Japan, it was cheap enough so I didn’t use tracking, my mistake. Ebay automatically refunded his money from my account after the allotted time and no “proof” from me, other than the shipping receipt which is not acceptable as proof of shipping, (imagine that). So another bidder goes into my long list of blocked bidders! I feel your pain!
Jack: does this work when I have nothing for sale right now?
absolutely yes
thanks rudolf:I looked in popsike and there are only 2 photo cover,which means it’s much harder to find.
I’ve another question,maybe more interesting for all of us.
Prestige New York show two different addresses on back cover:446 or 447 west 50th st.
Labels are 446 only.
my Miles Davis series is 446 up to 7025,than 447 from 7034 to 7129 except 7054,blue haze,that is 446 again.Other prestige issues around this are all 447.
Is there an exact number for transition from 446 to 447 ?
French seller vinyl.unlimited has a black label Atlantic Coltrane Giant Steps for sale. Now have a look at the labels: rather than deep grooves the labels have a small groove around the spindle hole. I checked some black label Atlantics from the same period and none has these strange labels. Any remarks? Can it be a fake?
I agree,there’s something wrong.It looks as a later pressing using an old label.I checked my blacks and they are deep grooved.Another question which lies unresolved since decades:giant steps:black dg;coltrane jazz:red/orange white swirl dg;my favorite things:red/orange white swirl NO dg;bags & trane NO dg;olè NO dg;plays the blues:deep groove;coltrane’s sound:NO dg;I’ve looked at hundreds of these non deep groove and never found one deep grooved.I ask:misfortune only ? and some of these does exist with deep groove ?
the same for ornette coleman,but I’ll ask later.
I’m visiting NYC in December. Besides Jazz Record Center, are there any other record stores worth my time if I’m searching for jazz and classical?
Someone here (European contributor?) in another topic mentioned deep-groove vs. non deep-groove black label Giant Steps in the past year and I thought that was bizarre as I had never seen a non deep groove copy before. Thanks for the link, now to investigating!
Here’s a Coltrane Plays The Blues WLP with no deep groove http://www.popsike.com/JOHN-COLTRANE-Plays-The-Blues-Atlantic-promo-Lp/280034397382.html
My best guess regarding this subject is that one is from a west coast pressing plant (DG) and one is east coast (non DG), like the white label vs. yellow label Verve promo copies.
Aaron/dottorjazz: Atlantic Coltrane. Mine as follows:
1311-DG,whitish spinwheel, no small vertical Atantic, green/blue, 157W57 adress on rear
(my mono is a Danish bull’s eye)
1354-DG,whitish spinwheel, no small vertical Atlantic, gr/bl
(mono version on U.K. London)
1841 Broadway adress from 1354 on.
1361-small groove around the spindle, whitish spinwheel with vertical Atlantic, purple/orange
1368-small groove, whitish spinwheel without vertical Atlantic, purp/orange
Olé on U.K. London
1382-small groove,blackish spinwheel, vertical Atlantic, orange/purple
1419-ditto
At
by the “small groove” around the spindle I mean a barely visible indent of the size of the former British one penny coin.
we’ve opened atlantic pandora’s box.maybe not complicated as blue note,but with interesting details.
1354,coltrane jazz has the older address (157 west 57);1382 plays the blues has a very deep groove,black swirl,orange and red,vertical atlantic;1368.bags & trane is white promo no deep groove.
aaron’s theory looks interesting with two different pressing plant.it seems obvious that a promo should have been pressed before the regular issue.this indicates that some numbers were born not deep grooved.And now,for those of you interested in atlantic,my colemans:
1317:bullseye white/orange/purple,deep groove
1327:black,deep groove
1353:white swirl-orange/purple,small indentation spindle round
all these 157 west 57 st.
1364:same as 1353 but no address on cover
1378:same as 1353,1841 broadway (from now on)
1394:black swirl,vertical atlantic-orange/purple,but again a very deep groove
same period as coltrane,same confusion
Here’s a great link for anyone interested in an Atlantic Records label reference:
http://www.bsnpubs.com/atlantic/index.html
Rudolf: With regards to that copy of John Coltrane’s Giant Steps 1311 with the Black Label, no deep groove, and a small groove off the spindle hole… I have this one myself, and I asked the very same question to Al Back in January, which he posted up on Jazz Collector on January 29th, 2010:
https://jazzcollector.com/questions/giant-steps-black-label-no-dg/
Joaquim responded and said it was the last variation of the original pressings… I have also heard that it was the third variation of the original pressings… No confirmation on any of this as of yet. The address on the back of the cover of my copy is the same as the Black DG version:
ATLANTIC RECORDING CORPORATION 157 WEST 57 STREET NEW YORK 19, NEW YORK
Does the black DG have a safety lip edge ?
dottorjazz:
Coleman on Atlantic: for the items you mention, I have the same outcome as you, but my 1317 and 1327 are stereo. So, 1317 DG bull’s eye green/blue and 1327 DG green label.
However one exception: 1394, which has no DG but indentation around spindle hole, otherwise identical.
I sold 1364 some years ago, could not cope with the music.
don-lucky: thanks for interesting site. Correct, we discussed the black Atlantic question before. Don’t know about safety lip. My first Giant Steps was on U.K. London in mono, which I exchanged for a stereo blue/green swirl U.S. pressing. In the early sixties I did many stupid things to get stereo versions instead of my original mono versions. For Giant Steps, I managed to find a mono copy on Danish Atlantic with bull’s eye label. For Coltrane Jazz I fortunately kept my original London monaural copy. How excellent these London pressings were! By the way,
I for one, have always preferred Coltrane Jazz over Giant Steps.
Don’t feel too bad about those stereo pressings Rudolf… I have it on good authority that in the early days, Stereo pressings in many cases were done in less numbers than mono. (Especially with Blue Notes) Someday, the tides may turn and the stereo pressings may start to become much more desirable by collectors and you are well ahead of the game from the sounds of it. One thing I find with Mono is that you can hear the musicians individually, and the album cover art is less cluttered, and often less cropped.
I love Giant Steps, but to be honest, I was always partial to Blue Train, A Love Supreme and My Favourite Things… I am not that concerned about the missing deep groove on my black label, the cover seems original and it sounds great !
As for Ornette, I’ll be the first to admit he is brilliant in small doses…Free-Jazz is certainly tough on the ears sometimes and not for the ‘Sunday morning Jazz brunch’, but it can be quite the experience to see performed live. I had the opportunity to see Ornette perform here almost two years ago, and the privilege to meet him in person after the show. He is one hell of a nice guy, but a bit shy. His current ensemble mixes in some classical fusion and it really becomes inspiring. He also was a surprise guest at Sonny Rollins 80th birthday celebration show at the Beacon Theatre in NYC last month… I should check You-Tube and see if anyone has any clips… That would have be an interesting combination…
don-lucky: that sounds encouraging
for the stereo Blue Notes, although recently I changed my Blue Trane stereo for a first pressing mono. I still have Something Else and the Jazz Messengers 4003 in stereo, after an exchange from mono.
My first meeting with Trane was on Tenor Madness. I was an absolute Rollins fan at the time. Then came my first Miles Davis Qnt album Relaxin 7129. That album gave me a direct insight into Trane s art, whereupon I ordered directly from Bob Weinstock the newest Trane album available, Soultrane. The authoritive Good Bait blew me out. Then came Blue Trane and I was addicted to Trane.
I asked the French seller for the adress on the back, it is 157W57.
I have always liked O. Coleman. His early compositions for quartet are real miniatures.
Do you wanna do an article on my van gelder stamped, original blue note 45 rpm single, pressed in RED WAX?
norgran label:checking my tal farlows I met this one just sold on ebay:rudolf,help please:which label design is this ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/TAL-FARLOW-Interpretrations-NORGRAN-1-PRESSING-LP-NM-/270540748908?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3efd7c386c
dottorjazz: this Farlow you mention has the yellow label trumpeter design, the characters in black.
all my norgran farlows have the classic trumpeter in black on yellow:this one’s got what looks like two dancers.I’ve never seen this label.
ok,I admit my ignorance:looked on popske and found some copies with the “dancers” logo.So my question now is:why this particular logo and why on the interpretations of tal farlow only?
Is it a first pressing for this record or is a later one ?
i have some basie and hodges with the dancers
dottorjazz: I never saw a dancers label on Norgran, but indeed a few on Clef. Spring to my mind the two Count Basie Dance albums and also a Johnny Hodges on Clef.
don-lucky: the non DG black label offered by a Paris based seller remained unsold. At $ 505 the reserve was not met.
I noticed recently that the great Bruce Weber/ Chet Baker doc “Lets Get Lost” is available on dvd in England. any recent info on a US release for this goodie? Can’t imagine how such a film could remain stuck in ‘license limbo’ all these yrs…
dottorjazz: so, if I got you right, you have Tal Farlow albums on Norgran with the green dancers logo on the labels. Which catalogue numbers? Does anybody else have these too??
no,mine are all standard trumpet:only norgran 1027,interpretations of tal farlow exists with the dancers label:I don’t know if the first pressing is trumpet or dancers.
dottorjazz: the yellow trumpeter label seems tome to be the original, standard pressing. Maybe they took a dancers label for your 1027, because they ran of stock? Who knows?