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May 19th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXECWSn2dEU
May 18th, 2013 at 5:24 am
I want to ..sell.. these Records Vinyls of ”JAZZ – PROGRESSIVES” of some ‘groups and Italians+Jazzmen’. Ask me for the informactions ”YOU” may need.
Thanks, Ciao fabio ,Italy ..
-x–> f.baglioni@yahoo.it
- PERIGEO – (Giovanni Tommaso, basso, Franco D’ Andrea,p, Claudio Fasoli,sax, Tony Sidney,cht, Bruno Biricao,dr ‘abbiamo tutti un blues da piangere’RCA,,DPSL 10609 1973 Italy
- PERIGEO – ( Givanni Tommaso,basso, Franco D’ Andrea,p, Claudio Fasoli,sax, Tony Sideney,cht, Bruno Biriaco,dr..Tony Esposito,prxs )’la valle dei templi’RCA,,TPLI 1175 1975 Italy
- Gli ” A R E A ” – ( Giulio Capiozzo,dr, Patrizio Fariselli,p, Demetrio Stratòs,sing, Ares Tavolazzi,basso)’Gli Dei se ne vanno, gli arrabbiati restano’ASCOLTO, ASC,20063 1978 Italy
(Toni Esposito,dr+prx, Paul Buckmaster,p, Edoardo Bennato,sing, Gigi De Rienzo,basso, Robert Fix,sax )Dischi-Numero-Uno ZSLN,55677 1974 Italy
(Toni Esposito,dr+prx, Gigi De Rienzo,basso, Robert Fix,sax, Ernesto Vitolo,p, Karl Potter,prx)Dischi-Numero-Uno ZPLN,34015 1977 Italy
(Toni Esposito,dr+prx, Gigi De Rienzo,basso, Francesco Bruno,cht, Robert Fix,sax, Stefano Sabatini,p)Dischi-Numero-Uno ZSLN,55686 1976 Italy
+’Riverberi’(Maurizio Giammarco,sax, Flavio Boltro,tr, Umberto Fiorentino,cht, Furio Di Castri,basso, Roberto Gatto,dr)GALA.Records-GLLP91009 1986 Italy
(Roberto Gatto,dr, John Scoffield,cht, Danilo Rea,p, Enzo Pietropaoli,basso, Massimo Bottini,basso, Battista Lena,cht)GALA.Records GLLP91015 1987 Italy
May 11th, 2013 at 8:29 am
Thanks Aaron. (Sorry I missed the comment in March.)
May 10th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
DaveS,
According to Clifford Allen on this thread http://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/a-prestige-pair-and-a-10-inch-blue-note/ it means Record Withdrawn.
May 10th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
I have a bunch of Prestiges that have “RW” stamped on the covers and labels. Does this mean Robert Weinstock or something else? Apologize if this has been answered before.
April 27th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Well I just got my first Norgran. Johnny Hodges – Memories of Ellington. Of course those of you who know these pressings will laugh when I tell you that based on looks alone, I thought the thing wouldn’t play at all. I bought it as a learning experience, something to look up, perhaps gain some insight into Norgran. But apparently my buck bought something that’s not only playable but playing cleaner that a whole lot of pretty lookin’ disks in the basement. It’s a pretty engaging for me. Now to someone in the know, it’s probably not even worth my buck, but it’s kinda priceless to me!
April 22nd, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Yesterday, late at night, i thought i was about to WIN an original Blue Note on Ebay…. Can you imagine ? It has been three years since i did not win any jazz record on Ebay. I focused on a fine copy of “Fickle Sonance”, my favourite Jackie Album and one of my all time favourite, in EX condition. I decided to bid 300, but i was not 100 % confortable with my max bid…I was right, it went for 356. What a relief.
April 21st, 2013 at 8:57 pm
I have an original Dexter Gordon blows Hot and Cool on Dootone DL-207 on translucent red vinyl in vg condition that I am interested to trade with any interested reader of this forum. The record is well played judging from the spindle hole wear and there are surface scratches. It’s play graded with the Miyajima Premium Mono mkIi, there are crackles heard but the music is loud and clear without any distortion indicating that the grooves are not worn. There is no skip and no stick throughout. If you are interested please PM me. Regards. Chee Kia
April 17th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
I would like to..sell..these Jazz-records,L.P’s..All ‘played’ few time,please tell me ‘which’ one can be of your interests..
e-mails-> f.baglioni@yahoo.it
Thanks’grazie’,Ciao fabio Roma ,Italy.
..-x) sorry for my ‘Italian – speaks’ ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRp09Y0-gd4
x-Vinyls-Jazz- L.Ps..Records..+..jazz-CD.s
-1,-wynton kelly,p -trio – paul chambers,cb ,, ‘philly’ joe jones,dr ,,”kelly at midnight” ,,DOBLON-JAZZ,-50-4014 -x)original,V.J.,3011. (Spain)..
-2,-walter davis,jr.p -4t- roy burrowcs,tr ,, johnny dyani,cb ,, clifford jarvis,dr ,,”blues walk” ,,RED-RECORDS – VPA,153 (Italy). 1979..
-3,-tommy flanagan,p -trio- ,,ron carter,cb ,, roy haynes,dr ,,”trinity” ,,INNER – CITY, IC-1084 (U.S.A.) 1975..
-4,-raymond fol,p -trio-,,michel goudry,cb ,,sam woodyard.dr ,,”the sky was blue” ,,CHORUS -33761 (France)..1976
-5,-joe albany,p -trio-,,hugo hasmussen,cb ,, hans nymand,dr ,, ”birdtown birds” ..recorded Live at Montmartre Club,, STEEPLE-CHASE ,, CSCS, 1003 (Denmark)..1973..
-6,-gordon beck,p.+.ron mathewson,cb.+.daniel humair,dr ..trio.. DIRE – Records..(Italy) 1972..
-7,-dave brubeck,p -4t-..gerry mulligan,bar ,,jack six,cb.+.alan dawson,dr..”the last set in newport” .-1971,,..ATLANTIC-Records, SD-1607) K 40368 (Italy) ..
-8,-dave brubeck,p -5t-..gerry mulligan,bar.+.paul desmond,sax.+.jack six,cb.+.alan dawson,dr ..”we are all together again for the first time”(Berlin,, Paris,, Rotterdam),, ATLANTIC-Records, SD-1641) 40 489,,”Charter-Line”.(Italy), 1972..
9,-dave brubeck,p -trio-.+.gerry mulligan.bar.+.jack six,cb.+.alan dawson,dr..”live at berlin philharmonic” ..C.B.S..COLUMBIA-Records,,AL 32143 (U.S.A.) 1972..
10,-stanley cowell,p -trio-.+.cecil mc.bee,cb.+.roy haynes,dr ..”equipoise” ..GALAXY,mps-6087 (by ”Jazz-è-Bello”) Italy , 1978..
11,-stanley cowell,p -trio-..stanley clarke,cb.+.jimmy hopps,dr ..”illusion suite” ..E.C.M.-1026,st 8Germany), 1972..
-12,-hampton haves,p -/- paul chambers,cb .+.bill perkins,, jack monterose,, mel lewis,,’philly’ joe jones..”the east-/-west controversy” ,,XANADU -104,, original,,1951.+.1957,,recordings(USA)
13,-hampton hawes,p -trio.+.cecil mc.bee,cb.+.roy haynes,dr ,,”live at the jazz-showcase” in Chicago, Vol-one- ..ENJA -3099 (Germany) , 1973..
-14,-hampton hawes,p -trio.+.cecil mc.bee,cb.+.roy haynes,dr ,,”live at the jazz-showcase” in Chicago, vol-two- ..ENJA -6028 (Germany), 1973..
-15,-duke jordan,p -trio- .+.david friesen,cb.+.’philly’ joe jones,dr ,,”the grat session” .STEEPLE-CHASE,,CSC,1150 (U.S.A.),1978..
-16,-duke jordan,p -4t-.+.art farmer,tr.+.david friesen,cb.+.’philly’ joe jones,dr ,,”duke’ s artistry” ..STEEPLE-CHASE, CSC -1103 (Danemark), 1978..
-17,-duke jordan,p -4t-.+.chuck wayne,cht.+.sam jones,cb.+.roy haynes,dr ,,”misty thursday” ,,STEEPLE-CHASE, CSC -1053 (Danmark), 1975..
April 16th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Hello,
I am looking to purchase, Charlie Parker With Strings,original Clef 12″ LP, MGC-675, (with the wonderful DSM portrait of a mustachioed Bird).
Reasonable condition is all that I need.
Hope you can help. Many thanks.
April 16th, 2013 at 2:31 am
Regarding the Roulettes the value is seldom high. Not like Blue Note for Sure. Music is Great though.
I hate to buy LPs from unexperienced sellers who grade things “like new” and the record sounds and looks like crap. Good luck!
For prices looka at popsike.com and type in artist + roulette. If the record is more that $25 it shows up. Or look at ebay.com to see what similar items there are. Completed listings are best to look at since many seller put out very optimistic “buy it now” offers.
As always condition of records are most important. Read about goldmine standards for grading and test play the records to avoid grouchy buyers (me being one
April 15th, 2013 at 12:09 am
I’m looking to get an appraisal of an album collection I inherited. It’s called Roulette Records, Birdland Series. The various albums feature artists like Count Basie, Sarah Vaughn, Dinah Washington, Joe Williams, Duke Ellington, etc. Where could I go to find out their approximate value.
April 9th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Ceedee:nice link, didn’t knew that one… and, wow, what a big (flugel)horn for such a clean and small boy!
April 9th, 2013 at 7:52 am
Maartenkools-thanks for the Chet link. I’d never seen that,and really dug the slower-than-usual tempo of DOS. Beautiful! Better still,I jumped over to a 1964 Baker doing “So What”,also quite nice.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZlHRcxfuN8
Re:8 “lps” for $10..don’t let it get you down. Anyone buying that box who thinks it sounds anything like the originals(or even a good single cd) is bound to be disappointed. In other words,how many corners must a company cut to put out a quality product at that price? I’ll pass,thanks.
April 8th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Hello. I’ll be in Washington DC in early May. Any suggestions for Jazz vinyl shops in Arlington or DC area? Thanks in advance.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
pffffffff….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p72L4bMdPA
April 8th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
for those, who like me, spent way too much money on original vinyl (..worth any penny of it offcourse!), and, now and then , need some perspective on the real world again…
http://www.amazon.com/8-Classic-Albums-Hank-Mobley/dp/B005BDZLYQ/ref=pd_sim_m_2
April 2nd, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Earl, you are correct, of course. Gotta give bobdj some props for creativity. Taking what every collector perceives as a huge negative — the dreaded cut out hole — and turning it into a positive for all the clueless ones and the newbies out there who seem to trust every hypoberolic word and phrase in his listings.
April 2nd, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Have you ever noticed that almost ALL albums featuring Philly Joe Jones start with a drum roll by Philly Joe Jones ? For example : The Return of Howard McGhee.
March 31st, 2013 at 1:09 pm
another issue form Djukic’s new sale – he called a punch hole on the cover a sign that it is promotional, even though there is no promotional stamp –I always believed it meant the album was returned form the retail outlet to the record company because it didn’t sell – what’s the deal?
March 31st, 2013 at 12:01 pm
And Roy Haynes, last I looked, still making great music.
March 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
great to read those names, makes you think again how young these guys where, when they where allready making grounbreaking music..
March 29th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
McCoy Tyner, Horace Silver, Ron Carter, Bobby Hutcherson, Wayne Shorter – I was actually blown away when I found so many still around
March 29th, 2013 at 1:00 am
Oh yeah, how about Curtis Fuller and Benny Golson
March 29th, 2013 at 12:58 am
so is Lee Konitz and Ornette
March 29th, 2013 at 12:56 am
Dizzy Reece, Barry Harris and Charles McPherson are all still with us
March 28th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
martenkools
Sonny’s still with us; & Andre Previn
March 28th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Aaron
Thanks for that info – I hadn’t noticed that line of text before – but doesn’t that just confirm my point? Of course an experienced collector would know about the missing P & RVG, and the text you refer to , but I think that’s like the small print in a long contract, and very misleading – unlike the old OJC releases which were clearly indicated as such, these might well pass inspection by all but the most knowledgeable, and that’s pretty disgusting, IMHO
March 28th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
sometimes i read that an old jazz musscian has died, and often i think.. wow, was he still alive..? So when i read of a jazz-musician who is still alive, but to me belongs to a period lived by my grandfather, i can be often verry suprised and strangly delighted.
)
Today i had it with Louis Smith , Lou Donaldson and kenny burrell.. ..stil alive!
who did i forget??? (
March 27th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Al, Thanks for your thoughts regarding eBay as a de facto one-stop source for my version of the ultimate jazz collection
Let me refine my definition of “one-stop” — a retail/specialty seller along the lines of a Leon Leavitt who at any given time would be expected to have in stock the majority of the titles I’ve referenced.
I know of no such dealer, and so I ask if anyone else does.
Thanks again.
March 27th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
The Classic Records reissues have an additional line of text on the bottom of the back cover with the “EMI-Capitol Music Special Markets” text. The #1 thing is no RVG or Plastylite “P” in the deadwax.
March 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
I’m afraid I’m coming in new to this Classic Records thing – other than the ‘“too deep” to be true deep groove’, where does the LP identify itself as a re-issue? Of course the absolutely pristine condition would make one suspicious; but surely there ought to be some identifying mark.
March 26th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
The Candy is a Classic Records audiophile issue. Well worth $19.99.
March 26th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Michel, someone must have told the seller. Now it’s advertised as a later pressing from the Nineties.
So he may have put it on eBay without proper knowledge.
March 26th, 2013 at 1:31 am
Another “too deep” to be true deep groove. .At least, we have the back cover pictured…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEE-MORGAN-CANDY-BLUE-NOTE-ORIGINAL-DEEP-GROOVE-MONO-NM-JAZZ-LP-/380606901525?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item589df06d15
March 24th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Charles. I would argue that, yes, there does exist a one-stop shop for all of the records you describe. It is called eBay and, for whatever its flaws, it offers the most complete catalogue one could imagine for collectible jazz vinyl.
March 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am
The following is purely out of curiosity:
Recent reflection on the glory days of Leon Leavitt’s auctions prompted the recurrence of my favorite “money is no object” reverie and question.
Does there exist today, anywhere in the world, a one-stop source for purchase of what for me would be the “ultimate” jazz LP collection: complete 10″ and 12″ 16 RPM and 33.3 RPM Blue Note, Prestige/New Jazz/Status, Verve/Norgran/Clef first pressings, mono and stereo, mint jackets and records, plus major label (RCA, Columbia, etc.) jazz catalogs and smaller jazz labels(Progressive, Jazz West, etc.)?
I suspect Leon — with whom I met in L.A. in 1985, at the small storefront in which he was selling primarily B-stock — would have been able to come close.
There. I feel better now. Was it good for you.
Best, Charles
March 22nd, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Anyone know a group of people interested in mis-pressings (If that’s the correct term)? I figure this is one they’d appreciate.
I know it’s hardly a jazz collectible, but I came across the oddest thing while playing a 2-disk compilation of Sarah Vaughan tracks from her days on EmArcy. The compilation was put out in 1977, but clearly my pressing’s a lot newer, based on what’s on side 4.
Boy did somebody screw up at the plant. Side 4 is a hip hop single I can only find in Discogs on a 2002 compilation.
Can you imagine listening to three sides of Sarah Vaughn and you put on side 4, and despite having the correct label, instead of Sarah you get a group called Word of Mouth doing “Up Against the Wall Halucination” (yeah it’s spelled that way).
I mean it’s got a beat you can dance to, but it’s sure not Sarah Vaughn!
March 17th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Joe L. – Thanks for the info., particularly your opinion of how it likely compares to the original Verve. The Copy of Organ Grinder Swing does, indeed, state Mfg. Polydor K.K. Japan on both the label and gatefold jacket. Additionally, there is a line of japanese text beneath the title on the label. I’m not one to use “near mint” but a strong VG+ without a doubt and that’s after having listened to (and quite enjoyed) it. There are times when paying a dollar for a record seems a little excessive, but this certainly wasn’t one of those times.
March 17th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Jim Neal – Verve/Polydor pressed a number of reissues in the late ’70s and early ’80s, but they were two-fer combos and were pressed in the U.S. Alternately, Verve reissued a number of single titles in Japan in the early-to-mid ’80s. I suspect that is the copy you have. Does the bottom of the label read, on the right curving around the label edge, “Manufactured by Polydor K.K.”? If so, it’s a straight Japanese pressing, not one of the two-fer reissues. I think the Japanese pressings are fine. Quiet vinyl, but not quite as dynamic. However, as the original Organ Grinder Swing was a MGM pressing, the Japanese reissue probably sounds very similar. In total, I have not found too much difference between original Verve pressings and MGM and Verve/Polydor pressings. Or, to put it more concretely, I have not found the difference to be nearly as noticeable it is between a Blue Note W. 63rd original and a Capitol-EMI reissue, or between an original orange-and-black Impulse and a blue-sky MCA reissue. Anyway, if your Japanese pressing was cheap and sounds good, nice buy!
March 17th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Rudolph – you’re the man!
March 17th, 2013 at 8:05 am
John: re 1st pressing PrLp 7053. The first is the one with his picture and beret in violet. The second is the Warhol (blue and black on white background).
March 16th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
The matrix in deadwax is machine stamped, I will work on link to a photo. Mono U.S.A press, looks and sounds great Vg++. Cover has 2 inch peel in top right corner from crap job of removing sticker/price tag. Thanks again.
March 16th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Sean,
If the matrix in deadwax is machine stamped (not handwritten) you might have something really interesting, can you post a link to a picture?
March 16th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Same info as the label. Record is the same light green blue as the cover background. Slightly marbled, more wispy cloud or smoke like. transparent.
March 16th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Deadwax info XLP 58380-1k side 2 ends in 1E. Thanks Sean
March 16th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Sean, sounds like a pirate copy to me, there’s a lot of fake colored vinyl floating around now. What’s in the deadwax? If genuine it should have stamped Columbia matrix information.
March 15th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Has anyone seen Monks Dream CL1965, Two eye guaranteed high fidelity on blue marbled vinyl. Found one recently, never seen it before.
March 15th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Is the first pressing of the Thelonious Monk LP Prestige 7053 with the portrait of him in the beret or the red white and black Warhol cover?
March 13th, 2013 at 1:47 am
I have a question about Bill Evans Village Vanguard Mono Riverside RLP 376 Blue/Silver label: would you consider deep groove being earlier than a non-deep groove or not necessarily.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Anyone have thoughts on the Verve/Polydor reissues of the early 80′s? Thursday, I picked up a very clean copy of Organ Grinder Swing and since my original is really sad, I don’t have any way to compare them. This is the first I’ve come across one of these, though I imagine to regulars here, they’re pretty common fare.
So if anyone’s willing to get me up to speed, I’d interested in any background on this reissue series. For instance, the label on mine indicates it was pressed in Japan. Was that the case for the entire series or is my finding a japanese pressing here in good old Missouri something of an outlier?
Nice that the reissue was put out as a gatefold, and that it’s got an insert “The Verve Story,” written by Nate Hentoff, (backside lists 50 Verve titles, presumably what was reissued by Polydor), but if they were sent out with any literature with some background on the reissues, well, that’s long gone from this album.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
March 9th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
John: it is nice to have an original inner with the corrersponding record. But in my period of buying 10″ albums, the first action was to produce my own inner, or to buy poly bags like the one you show for the Columbia.
European 25 cm records had original inner sleeves.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Thank you Rudolph. That’s very helpful. I have come across early 1950s Columbia 10″ LPs with poly bag inners. Like here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-LOUIS-ARMSTRONG-PLAYS-W-C-HANDY-VOL-2-10-LP-COLUMBIA-RECORDS-CL6335-MINT-/190783743040?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2c6b98e440&nma=true&si=ZfPZJg7oTVGAocYrGd4cu5T0Nc8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557. I’m not sure if they were original but they look it. I also have a Elektra folk 10″ inch from 1953 in a poly bag inner that is definitely original because it has the Elektra logo printed on it. Most of these 10″ sleeves are so tight you can barely slide the record in let alone an inner. Nevertheless I am trying to put original inners with these LPs where and when I find they had them.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:56 am
John, to thebest of my knowledge, but others may correct me if I am wrong, 10″ Blue Notes and MGM came without inner sleeves. Prestige 10″ came without inners, except for, maybe, the latest issues, from Lp 190 on. I think Lp214 had an inner. No Verve 10″ exist.
Pacific Jazz (10″ + 12″) also came without inners. CR 10″ too; for the 12″ CR had an original system: they came in baggy seals and it was suggested to store the record in the baggy seal after opening it. Some sort of an inner.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Hi Rudolph
What a surprise – no inners?
Did Prestige, Blue Note, MGM and Verve not use inners either for their early to mid 50s 10″ LPs?
March 6th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Wondering if anyone just might happen to have a spare original 63rd street cover for a Sonny Clark, Cool Struttin’, Blue Note 1588 record? I know it’s a rare and desirable one to have let alone find in any condition. Very interested in acquiring a cover in nice condition if you have a spare one or know of someone who does. John
March 6th, 2013 at 9:36 am
OH,MY GAWD!!! I just got this from WNYC.And yes,it’s serious. Kind of gives the term ‘music to die for’ a whole new meaning. “Kind of Blue’on a loop for all eternity? I love the lp,but DAMN..that’s just depressing. Hopefully the market for these ‘cookin’ coffins’ won’t dry up..just rot!(insert your own tasteless joke here). I definitely will be checking out tonight’s Soundcheck program(always an interesting show).
http://soundcheck.wnyc.org/2013/mar/06/playing-all-eternity-your-coffin-playlist/
March 6th, 2013 at 9:09 am
John: early Norgran and Clef came without inner sleeves, that includes all the 10″ albums.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
I just picked up a lovely copy of Charlie Parker’s self-titled 10” LP on Clef MG C-157 from 1954.
It doesn’t have its original inner sleeve but I’d like to marry it up with one. Does anyone know what kind of inner sleeve this Clef 10” would have originally come with?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Speaking of collectors items,how often do you see a copy of this Freddie McCoy beauty?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181092891832?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
I’ve got my own-mono-copy,and have treasured it since the ’70′s when the track “That’s All” was first used as an ‘out’ theme for WKCR’s Jazz Alternatives night program. I heard that there was a problem with licensing the ‘Spidey’ image which accounted for the cover not being seen since the first release. Is that accurate? Anyway,THAT’S ALL is beautiful in a way unique to the vibes,if you haven’t heard it.
March 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 am
While reading-and totally enjoying-the recent “Aberration” post and comments,I was reminded of Harvey Pekar due to his appearance in the “collectors and their habits” film. While there is an official Harvey Pekar website(which I’ve visited before),I just discovered the following “tribute” page. It gives an easily digestible birds-eye view,in comic book style, of a REAL character:
artist,writer,music critic,record collector and unshakeable lover of all great jazz. If you are too young to have seen him ‘battle’ Dave Letterman,perhaps you’ll want to learn more about the late Harvey Pekar-if so,follow this link and “click”. Enjoy!
http://activatecomix.com/104-25-1.comic
February 28th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
I am looking.+.searching these 2-dvd-Live jazz-concerts of -pianist->Oscar Peterson,trio.
Please, if there are ”Jazz-Fans”Collectionists, help me to ‘get’ these dvd-(bootlegs)concerts. I can ‘trade+exchnges’ with Videos-Jazz-Concerts of my ‘Collections’..
Thanks”grazie”, Ciao fabio ,,Italy.
-x-> f.baglioni@yahoo.it
-1-dvd->OSCAR PETERSON,p -BUDAPEST 1970..Niels.H.O.Pedersen,cb+Ray Price,dr Registered by Ungherese-TV,, MTV at’Franz Erkel Theatre’
of Budapest, on dicember-1970)
—x–> Lists of the tunes played in .. Budapest 1970:
-THE LAMP IS LOW
-YOU LOOK GOOD TO ME
-MEDLEY:ROUND MIDNIGHT/BODY AND SOUL
-JUST FRIENDS
-CORCOVADO
-LET’S FALL IN LOVE
-CUTE
-ON A CLEAR DAY ..
…………xxx………….
-1-dvd–>OSCAR PETERSON,p -MONTREAL 1989,..Steve Wallace,cb+Bobby Durham,dr at ‘Festival of Montreal’-Canadà-,8′-july,1989)
–x–> Lists of the tunes played in .. Montreal 1989:
-FALLING IN LOVE WITH LOVE
-SOFT WINDS
-LOVE BALLADE
-CAKEWALK
-BLUES ETUDE
-ELLINGTON MEDLEY -x-> ‘maybe’(??)-not sure ”this” Medley’.s..
February 25th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Wonder if there’s ever been a discussion about some of the more esoteric consideration in early 700 Prestige records; for example (1) flat edge or not (2) frame cover (3) address on back of cover (446 W 50th vs 447 W 50th) – if so would like a reference or your thoughts
February 17th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Hello everyone, I’ve just started getting into Lars Gullin and his early stuff from the 1950′s. All the EP’s he made then are stuff I collect now. Is there anyone who has any Gullin EP’s on for example Metronome in great condition and who wants to sell, contact me through my jazz collecting blog at: http://1139indearoldstockholm.com
Cheers!
/Fredrik
February 16th, 2013 at 2:40 am
This is to everyone
Speaking of Leon Levitt-I bought, sold and traded many records with him about 30 years ago. I had a tremendous jazz collection as well as rock spanning 20 years.
I also loved Jazz and especially Jackie Mclean. I was well to do at that time so I would sometimes fly coast to coast to watch him play. We got close and I was able to go to to backroom many times and talk to him about his music and sometimes his upcoming record.
I would also take his records-I had every single record he did all first edition in pristine condition and have him autograph one or two record of his everytime I saw him live so soon I had all his records signed by him as well as his records as sideman.
One most notable record was blue note 5013 with Jackies’ picture on the bottom right hand corner when he was 17. He laughed and said young jackie, young jackie.
A few years later after a divorce and a serious falling down of sorts, I had to get rid of my record collection to Leon Levitt. He got all the records for dirt cheap $5000 worth millions now. Anyway, my question to anyone out there is does anyone have that particular record with Jackies’ autograph-its right on top of his picture.”\ If anyone does, and let me know how much it was, it will be greatly appreciated to satisfy my curiosity and to further aggravate myself.
Thanks in advance
February 15th, 2013 at 10:30 am
ceedee, thanks for that.. I’ll just keep my eye out.
It’s a great cover.. those covers get me every time.
February 15th, 2013 at 1:02 am
Andy-re:Toshiko on Storyville,I see that Fred at JRC recently sold one. I’ve seen it for more,also-as they say,sometimes it just depends on who’s watching that week. Ihaven’t heard it,but “formative years with a heavy dose of Bud Powell”couldn’t be too far off the mark. And a serving of early Paul Chambers is a bonus..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiko-Akiyoshi-on-Storyville-/300855566145?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item460c639f41&nma=true&si=pDg1OEJdWRuqOfXAWs0DBqfKRU0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
February 14th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
bobdjukic has just posted an enormous number of albums:
http://stores.ebay.com/bobdjukic2/Other-/_i.html?rt=nc&_dmd=2&_fsub=1&_sid=7130341&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14&_vc=1
of which a fair number (~ 15%) are jazz, and some pretty fair offerings – for me, he seems to over-elaborate the assets of his postings, while admitting that he hasn’t the time (no wonder!) to play them – none-the-less, he seems to get more bang for the buck from his postings than similar offerings elsewhere – always interesting to follow
January 29th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
I do love your site, Al. So far behind the jazz curve is this poor soul that simply reading your descriptions of vinyl up for auction is highly educational. You are working on a book, correct?
So a brief comment on music for music’s sake. While I’ve been picking up records since the 70′s when I made zero money as a DJ, it’s only recently I’ve really been expanding my horizons. I do appreciate what the predominant names in the jazz community have created, but having spent just a little time in some meager recording studios, what really strikes me is the artistry that goes into the recordings. The equipment I’ve got isn’t what I used to work with, and what I used to work with is nothing compared to what’s available today. Still, much as I’d like to upgrade the equipment, putting on a fine recording is, well, fine.
Now I will likely never be purchasing $1,000 titles, but I do appreciate what I’ve been able to pick up. My $1 today has been quite a fun listen for this novice. It may not be a first pressing, not even a compilation that’s nice enough to include the full tracks, but listening to Prestige Soul Masterpieces (Prestige/Fantasy OJC-1201) is quite a treat for me and a great way to get acquainted with several artists that are quite new to me.
So again, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Can someone answer a question for me? i am primarily a garage rock collector but on a recent excursion I found a 45 which appears to be a test pressing of some sort. The label reads King Pleasure Moody’s Mood,(which I recognize), but the other side is Great Day In The Morning. that one throws me off. It appears to be a styrene pressing with 791/792 i the respective deadwax. Is it a test pressing of a boot or does it go back further? Thanks to anyone who can help.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
@maartenkools: Nice site indeed, but it’s just shameless copy/pasted from this site: http://www.birkajazz.com/archive/columbia.htm
January 29th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
nice website with jazzcovers , europe, usa
https://sites.google.com/site/jazzistmark/jazz-archives
January 24th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
I have a number of Jazz albums (around 100) collected by me in the Mid-60′s. Most of these were bought in Germany at the US Army Post Exchange, many are German-manufactured licensed. I’m in the process of data-logging them on Discogs for lack of a better means to catalog them. My goal is to divest myself of these albums, not collect or trade. Is eBay the best means to sell? Also, can anyone recommend a cleaning brush or liquid that will not damage or contaminate the original vinyl?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:36 pm
I recently came across a copy of beppo records #504 John Coltrane group with Eric Dolphy. It’s in a white sleeve with what appears to be a a large white sticker with black type that lists the tracks and players, and says printed in Brazil. The label on the record itself is yellow with black type and says limited edition in parentheses. I searched the internet but could only find a version of the record in a red sleeve with black type which i think was pressed in the U.K. I am just looking for some information on this record. If you could help it would be much appreciated.
January 19th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Hi, I recently came across a Thelonious Monk “pure Monk”. It is a promotional copy but one of the records is missing-the other is in great condition. I would like to sell it.. any ideas of the value if any?
Thanks, Anya
January 16th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
hi i have loaads of autographs .pl rocknihal@yhoo.coma
January 16th, 2013 at 8:42 am
A local record shop has a copy of Toshiko Akiyoshi on Storyville. They want $325 for the copy, which according to popsike is a little on the high end, but I don’t see this record often, so I was thinking about buying it.
On the fence though.
Anyone know much about this record? Is it any good?
December 31st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Thanks Aaron.
Happy New Year
December 31st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
John, here’s a link showing a first pressing of Charlie Parker “Now’s The Time”: http://www.popsike.com/Charlie-Parker-Nows-The-Time-Verve-MG-V8005-DG-Orig-Yellow-Tpt-Lbl-Mono-VG/290621687212.html
Verve w/deep groove yellow label.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:36 am
Can someone tell me the what are the 1st pressing specifics of The Charlie Parker Quartet – The Genius Of Charlie Parker #3, Now’s The Time (Verve MGV-8005).
What color label and any other factors that denote the 1st press. Thank you and Happy New Year
December 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
jack: if they are DG, you may have a first pressing in a second print cover. I bought mine when it was issued and it came with a laminated cover and DG. I have seen later issues with a blue-ish and white cover, instead of the original turqoise/green. These blue-ish ones may have been non-laminated. What shade of blue or green is your cover?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
yes dg
December 29th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
jack: I would be inclined to say that it is not a first issue. Are the labels deep groove?
December 29th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I have a issue of Soultrane with yellow bergen label. the cover is not laminated. does this mean this is not an original cover? thanks
December 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Amanda
To the best of my knowledge, all 10″ copies of this album have this mis-spelling – whatever the vlaue of the rrecord is (and in VG++ or better condition, it is probably worth $150 or more), it is not altered because of this mis-spelling; that would seem to verify it’s original status (although I am not aware of any copies or re-ssues)
December 16th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I have a 10″ Billie Holiday at the Jazz Philharmonic LP with DSM cover and trying to figure out why her name is spelled incorrectly on the cover? It is written as ‘Billy Holiday’ (the backside it says it correctly Billie Holiday). Do you have any knowledge about why this is? Wondering what the story is or if this makes it more valuable? Grateful for any answers. Thank you.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Earl:
I bet that same buyer would give you $138 for your 6-Eye copy.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Did y’a;; see this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILES-DAVIS-w-JOHN-COLTRANE-PAUL-CHAMBERS-MILESTONES-RARE57-COLUMBIA-MONO-LP-NM-/160933440304?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2578616b30&nma=true&si=nB0orEORkE17FiVUMuffE9XjIr0%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
A SECOND PRESSING pf Milestones in “weak” NM condition [cvr: VG++] sold for &137.50
How much is my origianl pressing NM/VG++ worth?
December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Jan, I had the same stereo record, on red wax I believe. The sound was awful and I sold it for a good price. Apparently that one is a second pressing, the yellow label with the red letters (mono) being the first one.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I have two Ella Fitzgerald songbooks in vinyl: Cole Porter, Rogers&Hart. Big deal – but they’re signed. I went to the stage door at a concert in Leicestershire, England, while she was on tour with Basie in the 1970s. Anyone interested?
John D
December 4th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I recently bought a copy of Dexter Gordon blows hot and cool.
( one of my favourite records )
Not the original first pressing, but what I think is an early reissue on the dooto label. ( blue and yellow deep groove labels) Does anybody have some information about this special release ?
Labels say stereophonic recording, but somehow it does not sound right using a stereo pickup. Also there is a lot of crackling even though the vinyl looks near mint. Using a mono pickup reduces the background noise dramatically and somehow it sounds like I think it should sound. At least I do not miss anything compared to the stereo playback. Should I have my ears checked or is there any explanation ?
November 28th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Bill, Thank you so much. It turned out to be exactly what you thought.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
Wow. A “rare green label” Waltz For Debbie for only $350…C’MON,MAN!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/155-11-2-WALTZ-FOR-DEBBIE-BILL-EVANS-TRIO-1961-MONO-IN-VG-COND-/181028725525?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2a26272315
November 21st, 2012 at 10:40 am
Seth- I think what you have is a facsimile reissue with a blue and white UA label. Almost all of them have that cut corner. That stamp is from that era as well. I believe they were initially meant for export to Japan and therefore have a greater amount of original details like the Lexington address on the back.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Hello, I am trying to determine whether or not my Lee Morgan Indeed! is an original pressing. I know it would be extremely rare if impossible to find a sealed copy, but that is what I have. It is obviously not a recent reissue. I have found information that states there was a 1963 repress of the album that says “New York, USA” on the label. I found also that there were possibly two versions released in 57, one that states “W 63rd St. on the label and another that states the “Lexington Ave.” address but the info stops there. On the back of my record it states the, 767 Lexington Ave. address and nothing else. My dilemma is that since it is sealed I can’t check the label or the dead wax to check for sure. I have a feeling that an original mint copy still sealed would be something of value to the right person or museum for that matter. There are two reasons I question it, 1. it has a very small corner cut in the top right corner which I’m not sure was a practice in the late 50′s. At the same time, even if it wasn’t, It could have been “lost” at a record store in the wrong section, stored in a warehouse or any number of situations which would constitute a quick sale after it was “found”. Also, there is a small sticker in the top right corner that only says “a musical experience” which looks like a sticker that would be on a 60′s – 70′s release, the sticker does look old though so I can’t be sure. When comparing pictures though, the only difference I could notice between some of them was the color of Lee and his trumpet on the cover. Mine seems to be closer in color to the original pressings that I have seen, like the pic that is on Jazz Collector. others seem to be too light of a green, too yellow-green or too blue-green.
I have always know since I found this record that it was possibly a 1st pressing but never looked further, I was just happy to have a copy, and sealed to boot!
I had it listed on Ebay with the rest of my jazz but decided for obvious reasons that I should research it more before letting ignorance rule my listing fingers. So for now the listing has ended. Once I find out what pressing it is I will be re-listing it regardless of what I find. It will not have a reserve nor ridiculous starting price.
If anyone could please help me out with some info I would be forever grateful. Thank you so much.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Did you guys see BOBDJUKIC’s comment on the London Jazz Collector site regarding “original” pressings? Definitely worth the read for an insight into his listing practices:
http://londonjazzcollector.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/its-an-original-ebay-auction-bn-1576-original-us-lp/
November 19th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Don’t know if this has been commented on before, but….bodjukic has as many of you have nodoubt seen the most elaborate descriptions of items … often, I would say, making what may be a sow’s ear into a silk purse. One recent item (Chet’s first album, PJLP3)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHET-BAKER-QUARTET-1st-ALBUM-ULTRA-RARE-ORIG-53-PACIFIC-JAZZ-10-LP-DG-NR-MINT-/350624284956?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item51a2d6011c&nma=true&si=nB0orEORkE17FiVUMuffE9XjIr0%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
sold for over $500; the best recent price I saw was about 130.. he called it (VISUALLY) NM.. as some of you 10″ collecotrs know, these albums may look OK, but the grooves have been (non-visually) beat up by some stone-age styli, so a visual check doesn’t cut it.. wonder if any of you have seen similar from this guy and what your thoughts are
November 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
I’ve got no room for the drum I have that belonged to Elvin Jones during the Coltrane years, so it’s time to put it out for a no-reserve auction on the ‘bay. Too much of a shame to not display it proudly!
You can check it out at this link.
November 14th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Thanks Rudolf,
I will report to the group on my findings.
November 14th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Ng Chee Kia,
Your Blue Note may be a Japanese repressing, thus the no deep groove.
Terry
November 14th, 2012 at 4:20 am
Mike F: Paris Jazz Corner,
5, rue de Navarre, 75005.
Telph 01 4336 7892. Tube station: Place Monge.
If you Google (google.fr), you will find them with a map.
Happy hunting.
November 13th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Just post a link to the images on a free hosting site so all the qualified folks here can weigh in.
November 13th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Hi Aoron, am new to this forum. Can someone guide me as to how to post pictures here or should I PM the pictures? Thanks for responding.
November 13th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Much thanks Rudolf
November 13th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Mike F: go to Paris Jazz Corner, close to the Roman arena in the 5th arrondissement. I try to find you the exact adress and the tube stations and will let you know.
November 13th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
That is very curious. The first Blue Notes with no deep groove appeared around 1961 yet the last Blue Notes with a flat edge were pressed in 1956. Can you post some pictures?
November 12th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Hi fellow ethusiasts, I have a mystery blue note that I would like to find out what vintage it could be. The title is BN 1536 J.R Monterose. The labels are Lexington on both sides with ‘ear’ and no R under the E. The cover has Lexington address without inc. However, there are no deep grooves and the cover is not the ‘framed’ type. What’s interesting is that it is a flat edge pressing on heavy vinyl. Can anyone shade some light on this anomaly? I understand that there were no more flat edge pressings after the first deep groove originals and the non deep groove blue notes started somewhere at 4059, or am I wrong? Any input will be much appreciated.
November 12th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
I’m looking for Paris record store recommendations again. I’ll be there next week.
I’m looking for mostly Euro records and actually stuff from the 70-80s just as much as 50-60s. I’m looking for records that are mostly mid tier collectibles that aren’t available over here as often. I mean, I’d love to stumble across cheap top tiers collectibles but don’t think I’ll be that look.
I’m interested in artist like Mal Waldron and his European output as well as the same from people like Paul Bley, Zoot Sims, Blossom Dearie, and others. Really I just want a cool place(s) with lots of jazz records even if most are overpriced.
Thanks!
Mike
November 12th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Here is my ‘first’ page-records,L.p’s Lists.. Please let me know if there ”things” of your interests. For informactions.+.agreements and talks, -e-mails-> f.baglioni@yahoo.it .
Thanks”Grazie”, Ciao,,fabio Italy.
-1-luis agudo,percx.+.afonso vieira,drums-(11′ November-1975) -jazz a confronto nr,33 -horo, stereo-HLL-101-33- by Aldo Sinesio ..
-2-AFRICA-tunes)africa to-day,, savana,, green dawn,, rhythmical stress,, drums choral,, lonely village mysterious))-tunes)echos,, sortilège,, african suspence,, sadness,, rite,, folk-tune,, drums suspence))
Musicain,,guido marinacci,,antonello vannucchi,,giovanni tommaso,, gegè munari),, sergio conti,, roberto podio,, PIERO UMILIANI, -liuto records-LRS-0046-
-3-franco ambrosetti,tr Quartet828′april-1974) – jazz a confronto, nr, 11-horo, stereo-HLL-101-11,, by Aldo Sinesio..
-4-giorgio azzolini,cb.+.big band -1971,, by DIRE – FO 339,, by Tito Fontana ..
-5-giorgio azzolini,cb-trio.+.franco d’ andrea,p.+.franco tonani,dr-( march+april,1966 )-what’ s happening? – by schema – rearward ).
-6-giorgio azzolina,cb – the scicluna street-((JAZZ-FROM-ITALY) – carosello -CLE-21020 ..
-7-gianni basso,sax -Quartetto Gianni Basso-( 1981 )+mario rusca,p.+.lucio terzano,cb.+.giancarlo pillot,dr..
‘New Jazz Collection’ by VEDETTE – Records – stereo-VPA, 8476 ..
-8-gianni basso,sax -european quartet-( 25′ october-1982 ) – lunet – by splash – records – 101..
-9-gianni basso,sax – ballads -sante palumbo,p,, luciano milanese,cb,, giancarlo pillot,dr.+.Strings – DIRE – FO-379, by Tito Fontana ..
-10-gianni barigozzi,sax ( 1971 ) – Quartetto Jazz Barigozzi -oscar rocchi,p.+.carlo milano,cb.+.giancarlo pillot,dr..-DIRE – ??, by Tito Fontana ..
-11-giancarlo barigozzi,sax (december 1973 ) – ‘Jazz a Confronto’-TRIO- bruno tommaso,cb.+.gianni cazzola,dr – horo – stereo, HLL – 101 – 6 ,, by Aldo Sinesio ..
-12-giorgio buratti,cb ( 24′ october 1970 ) – a smooth day – BOBBY JONES,sax,, EDDIE PRESTON,tr,, JACKIE BYARD,p,, DANNIE RICHMOND,dr.)) by .-durium – ms.A.77268 ..
-13-gianni cazzola,drums -( 27′,,28′ november 1966 ) – abstraction -TRIO,, oscar rocchi,p.+.cornelio dattoli,cb.+.gianni cazzola,dr – by schema – Rearward ..
-14-gianni cazzola,dr – ( 1988 ) – Italian repertory – marcello tonolo,p.+.jacopo jacopetti,sax.+.piero laveretto,cb – gala , Records -GLLP, 91021 …
-15-The Internactional ”’Youth – Jazz – Band”’ – live at leads by Marshall Brown.,, Gil Cuppini,drums,, by -Philips- 840-046-BY …
November 8th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
I would like to ‘start’ to sell .’.all my Jazz – Records – L.P – Collections.’. here in Roma(Italy). I want to know if there are ‘buyers’(of jazz-records-L.P)in this Town(Roma).
-x) this is my -e-mails-> f.baglioni@yahoo.it
I have collected many Italians-jazz-records, as also all the ‘greats’American-Jazzmen!!.
Please, just try to have a ‘look’ in this simple ‘home-spot’(youTUBE),,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRp09Y0-gd4
x-Vinyls-Jazz- L.Ps..Records..+..jazz-CD.s
at least ‘you’ can ask for more informactions.
Thanks”Grazie”, Ciao fabio ..
November 6th, 2012 at 12:38 am
The sonny rollins is listed wrong. It is Contemporary M 3530 ( not 3580) Monophonic. Contemporary Records, Inc, 8481 Melrose Place, Los Angeles 46, Calif.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121006650703
action ends today.
Jakob
November 5th, 2012 at 8:30 am
A friend just sent me the most amazing series of photos I’ve seen on Hurricane Sandy and the devastation left in it’s wake. I’ve never known the east coast to undergo anything approaching this,ever. It puts the mere cancellation of a record fair in it’s proper perspective(in case you needed that).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225112/Superstorm-Sandy-Death-toll-hits-FIFTY-damage-set-50BILLION.html
November 4th, 2012 at 11:10 am
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/blue-note-the-free-ipad-app-for-jazz-lovers
November 4th, 2012 at 11:03 am
don’t know if it’s any good, i still use a 2003 nokia phone to communicate….-)
http://www.emimusic.com/blog/2012/blue-note-records-launches-beautiful-new-app-for-ipad/#
October 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I have a JJ Johnson LP of his 1963 Montreal Jazz Festival set (29:30). The back has the set from Martial Solal from the same event (29:40).
This album was made by the CBC for radio airplay only, and not to be played after Dec. 31, 1964.
It seems neither the Johnson nor Solal sets were ever commercially released.
I’ve seen some commercial releases of JJ Johnson go for more than $1,000. What do you think this unreleased LP would/should fetch?
Michael
thepza (at) gmail
October 26th, 2012 at 10:07 am
the price is way-way-way to high, but i must say, i don’t see THAT manny liberty pressings that are Mono…
October 25th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
A legitimate pressing of this same album just sold for less earlier this week. I mean, this is a Liberty pressing, laminated sleeve.. sure, but the record is a liberty??
I don’t get it.
October 25th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
it’s the buyers who are pretty dumb, bob (i’m not a fan) is honest in his listing.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
That’s our buddy Bob for ya. He got over $200 for an exact same copy in worse condition of Sketches Of Spain that I got $20 for the same week. Unreal.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANK-MOBLEY-w-PAUL-CHAMBERS-SOUL-STATION-MEGA-RARE-BLUE-NOTE-MONO-LP-RVG-NR-MINT-/140869586002?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123
Are you kidding me???
October 24th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
i was just playing Lee morgan’s Taru, when i realized
(again!) that he died only 33….33! so much he had allready done at that age.. then i stumled on the only interview his wife & killer,Helen Morgan, gave, just before she died herself. For those who didn’t knew that allready: http://jasonpalmerjazz.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/the-story-of-helen-morgan-if-you-didnt-know-already/
October 24th, 2012 at 4:28 am
Thanks to you both…
Jakob
October 24th, 2012 at 2:32 am
Jakob, both seem to be original second pressings. If you have good luck, you will find somebody who will be happy to have an authentic BN or CR pressing of the fifties and who will bid accordingly.
October 24th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Hello MArtin – The Miles Davis is has the 47 West 63rd St, New Yourk 23 adres – The Sonny rollins has 8481 Melrose Place, Los Angeles 46, Calif… Would that be enough.
Thanks
October 22nd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Jacob: make a larger picture so buyers can see the condition of the record.
for value, we need to know the adres on the labels…
October 22nd, 2012 at 7:34 am
Anyone now the value of these two records I´m selling.
Miles Davis Vol.1 BLue Note 1501 west end…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121003447855?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
and
Sonny Rollins Way Out West M3580 ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121001088737?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Thanks…
Jakob
October 20th, 2012 at 8:07 am
yes
October 20th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Jack: do you have both versions? I only passed on what I heard. I never saw a black label Giant Steps in my life.
October 19th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Fredrik/Aaron: I read somewhere that the non-DG version is of a better quality, sound-wise.
I have three European first pressings of this album, the Danish and French bull’s eye Atlantics and the London label by U.K. Decca. The French pressing has the best audio fidelity: crisp, crystal clear sound reproduction. The quietest sound is by Decca.
Btw, there is so much talk about Giant Steps, and it is a terrific album indeed, but I dig the next one, “Coltrane Jazz” even more. It seems to be much less of a collectors’ item. Can somebody explain me why?
October 19th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
the dg Giant Steps sounds better
October 19th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Thanks Aaron, and I saw another post here about this and someone mentioned that the non deep groove is even rarer than the deep groove version as well. Both 1st pressings though.
October 19th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Fredrik,
The black Atlantic label only remained for a matter of months, if not weeks, after Giant Steps was released. The deep groove indicates that it was pressed on the west coast, east coast pressings did not have the deep groove.
October 19th, 2012 at 11:49 am
There’s no deep grooves on the Giant Steps from the Bobster, then it’s not an original 1st pressing, correct?
October 19th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Our friend Bob D. is back with an auction incl. Trane’s Giant Steps, Black label Atlantic.
You may wish to bid on an item which is described as:
“monstrously rare”, or “ridiculously rare”, or “insanely rare”. All in the same listing. So, make your choice, and hopefully you will not be disappointed.
October 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I am Selling My Rare Autographed (Louis Armstrong And His Concert Group) 8 page Concert Program.
(9 Autographs on the Cover, Concert Program, News Articles, Biography, A Letter, Many Photos)
This Program is from 1952 between March and July. Louis band, Russ Phillips, Dale Jones and Marty Napoleon were only together from late Febraury through July 1952. Because the program mentions Louis’s Hawaii trip of March of that year, that narrows it further to between late March and July 1952. There are 9 signatures on the cover Including, Louis Armstrong, Mantan Morland, Cozy cole, Velma Middelton, Bud Harris, Bill Jackson, Bill Bailey, And two other autographs that I can not make out.
-Mantan Moreland : (September 3, 1902 – September 28, 1973) was an American actor and great comedian most popular in the 1930s and 1940s. Mantan Morland and Louis Armstrong both Acted in the 1943 musical CABIN IN THE SKY.
-Louis Armstrong
-Cozy Cole (October 17, 1909 – January 9, 1981)[1] was an American jazz drummer. One of Louis Armstrongs All Stars.
-Velma Middleton. (born ca. 1917, died February 10, 1961) was an American jazz vocalist. joined Louis Armstrong’s big band in 1942 and became one of Louis All Stars. She spent most of her Career sining with Louis Armstrong.
-Bud Harris Famous actor of the era
- Bill Jackson famous actor of the era
- Bill Bailey, Famous tap dancer. Brother of Pearl Bailey, Famous Actress and singer. Bill was a student of Bill ’’Bojangles’’ robinson, also a famous tap dancer. Bill bailey is also known as the creator of the Moonwalk.
October 14th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
aaah…. just another one from the dutch ’80 funk band, featering the dauhter of art blakey..
wow… summer is commin’….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvyyVHkpTUM
October 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Maarten: the daughter of Art Blakey! That is an amazing discovery.
October 13th, 2012 at 6:06 am
just an interesting fact: (specialy for our dutch ‘members’) In the Netherlands we had a disco group called “spargo”.They had a big hit with the song:’You andMe”. Great song, thats been cut in my brain since…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWX7_adYfkA
I just found out that the singer was the daughter of Art Blakey. Now i know it, i think i see it.
October 10th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Hey ya’ll,
I picked up an original Bethlehem mono copy of Mal Waldron’s Left Alone at a garage sale. I’d love to keep it, but my bank account is telling me that I should probably sell it.
The bottom seem is completely split and the top seem has an inch and a half split near the opening. Otherwise the cover is in pretty good shape. No bent corners or ring wear.
The vinyl has some marks. I would visually grade it as VG, but I played it on my turntable and it plays quite well. No pops, skips or clicks. Just some very faint noise.
I’ve seen it go at auction with a completely shot cover for nearly 300, but the record was VG+. In mint condition, I believe it fetches a nice chunk of change. Think I could get 500 for my copy?
October 9th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Edward,
The Atlantic “white-fan” label first appeared in 1960 and was used into 1962. VinylBeat has many rare label variations but it has some inaccuracies, like the Riverside section for instance. Here is a well researched labelography I recommend: http://homepage2.nifty.com/recordcollectors/labelguide.html
October 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Thanks Aaron. What I have is on your site labeled “white fan 1960-62. I was looking at this site and it is marked as 5a 1960
http://www.vinylbeat.com/cgi-bin/labelfocus.cgi?label=ATLANTIC&label_section=A,B,C
October 9th, 2012 at 3:08 am
Aaron: lovely site, well done. A pleasure to browse through it at leasure.
October 8th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Edward, here is a link to the labelography section of my website:
http://33rev.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=68
Hopefully it will help dating your records!
October 8th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Maarteen:
Nice site link. Very much appreciated! Takes me back to the old dya., It is like being on a 28K dial-up network!!!
Thanks again,
Terry
October 8th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Edward: I would think around 1961. It is a third version: the first issue has black labels, the second has the bull’s eye labels.
October 7th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
I would like to identify the year of my John Coltrane LP. It is Atlantic 1311 and has a top half red, bottom half purple with a white band across the center. Black text. a black box with white spiral to the left in the white band. I am not finding a release that matches this. Anyone have information to help me identify the year?
Thank you,
Edward
October 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am
a other website about jazz album covers.. http://jazzalbumcovercrypt.blogspot.nl/
October 4th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Hi Rockies and everyone,
I don’t own a copy of Idle Moments. I’m looking for one. I’d like to trade my Jenkins, Jordan and Timmons FOR Idle Moments.
Stu
October 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Hi Stuart,
I could be interested by your Idle Moments lp.
Please,provide your email address
thanks
October 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Hello All,
I am looking to trade my beautiful (vinyl & cover) Jenkins, Jordan and Timmons New Jazz 8232 original mono purple label; deep groove; RVG for like-condition Grant Green Blue Note original mono (New York, USA) Idle Moments.
A word on my record: I bought it from a respectable jazz enthusiast (per his request to remain anonymous)who had acquired it from Ira Gitler’s personal collection. As you may know, Mr. Gitler wrote the liner notes. The record has “Preview Copy” on the label. It also has a tiny comma in the liner notes, which I bet came from Ira Gitler’s pen.
Stu
October 2nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I’m selling rather than buying much these days,but if I had a little extra $$$-this list(currently going up on ebay) is one I’d check out closely. Anyone know the seller?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kenny-Dorham-Whistle-Stop-LP-Blue-Note-4063-Mono-Ear-RVG-W-63rd-VG-/170918501616?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item27cb895cf0
September 28th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Thanks Rudolf! Glad to hear it. Now i just need to find a copy of Blakey 4003 without the R to make up for that purchase….
September 27th, 2012 at 10:13 am
fot those interested:
I came across a nice website about album design.
http://www.hardformat.org/designers
September 27th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Thanks, Bill!
September 27th, 2012 at 2:55 am
Stevie B. – Conception: the original cover had the blue-ish pictures of the main artists.
September 26th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
I had a question for all you Prestige experts out there. I just picked up a copy of “Conception” Prestige 7013. I am trying to figure out what cover is the original. The one with handcuffs or the one with pictures of the artists. Anyone know? Mine is the pictures cover with a 50th record. Want to know what i have here! Thanks!
September 26th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Walter “Stix” Leonard, 73, of Willimantic, died Oct. 11, 2011.
He was born Walter Major Leonard on March 25, 1938, in Hartford, the son of Walter George and Wilhelmina Major Leonard. Walter grew up in the Rockville section of Vernon, moving to his beloved Maine in 1987. He was a professional drummer for a number of years, playing and recording with numerous bands including his own. He was a member of Local No. 400 American Federation of Musicians, past president of the Hartford Jazz Society, a founding member of the Connecticut Jazz Confederation, The Woody Herman Society, The Network, International Jazz Hall of Fame, Seacoast Jazz Society of New Hampshire, Midcoast Jazz Society of Brunswick, Maine, and an avid jazz fan and collector of jazz memorabilia. He was a contributing writer to several national and international jazz publications. Walter was employed at SeaCastles Resort in Ogunquit, Maine, for 12 years, returning to Connecticut upon retiring.
He leaves a sister, Barbara Justice of Columbus, Ga.; six daughters, Carole Williams of Manchester, Deborah Corriveau of Willimantic, Nancy Niro of Chesterfield, Va., Michelle Leonard of Maine, Terressita Toscano of California, Rose McBreairty of Maine; seven grandchildren, Michael Johnson Jr., Tamara Johnson, Ashley Johnson, Anthony Aaron Leonard, Briana Niro, Gionatan Niro, William Bradford Blivin III; seven great-grandchildren, Shyiann, Otis, Nora, Niziere, Guillermo, Bradley, and Ava Marie; and several nieces, one nephew; and a host of friends and co-workers.
A graveside ceremony will be held Saturday, Nov. 12 at noon at Grove Hill Cemetery, 22 Cemetery Ave., Rockville.
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September 26th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
A while ago I bought part of a collection from a vendor at a flea market. The lps (many of which are signed by the artists) are all noted as belonging to a “Stix” Leonard from Rockville, CT. Does anyone have any info on Stix? I’m just curious about the man behind the collection.
September 13th, 2012 at 10:16 am
To Rick in Reading: the Emile Barnes recording is a session which was purchased by Bill Russell for his American Music label. The recording date is August 30, 1951 in New Orleans.
The Delmarks are from June 15-18, 1953 (San Francisco).
What about the others you purchased??? You make me curious.
September 12th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Hello Philip, I post a lot about European jazz on my blog: http://thejazzkid.tumblr.com This month I made a podcast with Italian jazz for example, which you can hear on my site.
September 4th, 2012 at 10:53 am
For the question below this, I can especially recommend a legendary finnish saxophonist Juhani “Junnu” Aaltonen, an entrepreneur in fusion jazz and improvising!
August 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
I’m familiar with the US jazz scene, but I recently won a copy of Tommy Potter Hard Funk and it got me to thinking that I know practically nothing about what are the best jazz records recorded there (either by Americans or Europeans).
It seems Sweden was/is a major jazz center. But, there are a number of great jazz recordings all over the continent (including Eastern European).
Do you have any recommendations?
August 28th, 2012 at 5:57 am
I was in a second hand record shop in Reading a few weeks ago. I picked up a bundle of 11 10″ LPs. The bloke wanted £20. Needless to say I took them.
Three are coloured vinyl:
1) Emile Barnes New Orleans Band. American Music 641B Red vinyl. No date.
2) George Lewis and his Ragtime Band. Delmar Records in red on the label. Antone Records, Blue Vinyl. Numbered 2A and 2B. No date and no picture sleeve.
3) George Lewis again. Blue vinyl without Delmar records on the label. No date, but numbered 1A and 1B. No sleeve.
Any ideas anyone, dates, rarity?
August 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Hello Everyone!
I am looking for “The Great Jazz Collection” CBS/Sony released in Japan 1981 it is a 30 vinyl set. Any help would be great. Thank you!
Andy
August 25th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
If you ever hunted for lps in the 60′s or 70′s in NY,you probably paid a visit to this landmark,soon to close:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/nyregion/colony-records-a-longtime-midtown-music-shop-is-poised-to-close.html?_r=1
August 22nd, 2012 at 8:24 am
Here’s a exhibit -from some years ago- of Blue Note photography in a (perhaps)unexpected locale. It’s nice to see the “Lion and The Wolf” getting much deserved praise in the land of their birth.
http://www.jmberlin.de/main/EN/01-Exhibitions/02-Special-Exhibitions/2009/blue-note.php
August 21st, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Who ‘Collect’ Jazz – Autographes??
-A)-All the ‘Autographes’ are signed by ”each-single” Jazzmen present in this page-lists..
-B)-The ‘disign-drawings’ of the instruments are made by the Jazzmen playing his-own instruments..
If you are interested to get any of these ‘Autographes’ ,,
Please let me know..–> fab.baglioni@tiscali.it , Ciao fabio.
-1-mel lewis,dr,, benny bailey,tr,, and few other ‘autographes’ of the sidemen-big band..
live at Roma, saturday 7′ september-1985
-x-drawing of..drums,,trumpets,,sax,,piano,,trombones,,bass-
——————-
-2-eric van lier, tb from the same ‘Mel Lewis’ big band, live at
Roma, saturday, 7′ september-1985. -x-drawing of ,, trombone -
——————-
-3-woody shaw,tr-5t,,milgrew miller,p,,stafford james.cb,,steve turre,tb+shells,,tony ridus,dr..live at Roma, friday 18′ february-1983-
-x-drawing of ..trombone-
———————
-3.a–pepper adams,sax-bar …live at Roma, sunday, 20′ october-1985-
——————–
-3.b–pietro tonolo,sax,, giovanni tommaso,cb.. live at Roma, 24′ october-1985..
-x-drawing of ..sax,, contrabbasso-
———————
-4-5-6-don pullen,p,,,george adams,s,,,cameron brown,b,,,dannie richmond,dr..live at , Roma, 24′ october-1985-
-x-drawing of..piano,, contrabbasso,, drums-
———————
-7-8-9-kenny barron,p,, charlie rouse,sax,, buster williams,cb ,, ben riley,dr..live at Roma, sunday, 17′ november-1985-
-x-drawing of ..piano,, sax,, contabbasso,, drums-
———————-
-9.b-kenny barron,p ,, joe henserson,sax ,, freddie hubbard,tr ,, ron carter,cb .. tony williams,dr((Superband – Quintet), Roma Jazz Festival, 9′ july-1982- extra–> charlie haden,cb …
———————-
-10-cedar walton,p .. david williams,cb .. billy higgins,dr ..live at <music inn< Roma, saturday, 1' february-1986- -x-drawing of ..piano,,, drums -
———————
-11-chick corea,p ,, miroslav vitous,cb ,, roy haynes,dr ..live in genova(Italy) monday, 25' july-1982-
———————i
-11.a-11.b-11-c-11.d-monty alexander,p ,, charnett moffett,cb ,, ed thigpen,dr ..live at Roma, monday, 3”march-1986-
-x-drawing of ..drums-
——————–
-11.f-paul motian,dr ,, jim pepper,sax ,, joe lovano,sax ,, ed shuller,cb ,, bill frisell,cht ..live at <music inn< Romas, saturday 29' october-1983-
-x-drawing of ..sax,, sax,, basso,, guitar-
———————-
-12-henry 'sweet' edison, tr live at <missisipi – jazz – club< Roma, saturday 19' april-1986
-x-drawing of ..trumpet -
——————-
-12.b-joe farrell,sax ,, jo.ann.brackeen,p ,, clinton huston,cb ,, 'beaver' harris,dr ..live at , Roma saturday 12′ november-1983…
-x-drawing of ..piano,, sax,, contrabbasso,, drums-
——————–
-13-13.a-13.b-elvin jones,dr ,, sonny fortune.sax ,,fumio karashima,p ,, andy.mc.kee,cb ..live at ”teatro Olimpico” Roma saturday 26′ april-1986-
-x-drawing of ..sax,, contrabbasso,, piano-
———————-
-14-sun rà,,’ arkestra ‘,,john gilmore,sax ,, marshall allen,sax ,, clifford jarvis,dr ..and many other sidemen ‘autographes’ ,, live at <music inn< Roma, 21' november-1983-
-x-drawing of ..trumpet,, trombone,, contrabbasso,, drums''sticks''-
————————-
-14.a-14.b-14.c-14.d-pharoah sanders,sax ,, kirk lightzey,p ,, reggie johnson,cb ,, billy kaye,dr- live at ''teatro''Olimpico'' Roma saturday 10' may-1986-
-x-drawing of ..sax,, contabbasso,, piano,, drums-
————————
-14-e-Timeless-All-Stars,, bobby hutcherson,vbr ,, george cables,p ,, herbie lewis,cb ,, harold land,sax ,, curtis fuller,tb ,, louis hayes,dr … live at ''teatro-'Sperimentale' in Ancona(Italy) monday 28' november-1983-..
————————-
-15-15.a-15.b-benny golson,sax ,, art farmer,tr ,, curtis fuller,tb ,, mickey tucker,p ,, ray drummond,cb ,, billy hart,dr=''The Jazzette'', live at Roma monday 26′ may-1986-
-x-drawing of ..sax,, contrabbasso-
———————–
-15.c-abbey lincoln,vcl-trio,, james waitman,p ,, bill johnson,cb ,, marc’E'johnson.dr.. live at Roma monday 16′ january-1984-
-x-drawing of ..piano ,, contrabbasso ,, drums-
———————–
-16-max roach,dr ,, cecil bridgewater.tr ,, odean pope,sax ,, tyron brown,cb ,, ‘guest’->TONY SCOTT,clarino) live at Roma, 22′ february-1984-
-x-drawing of ..drums ,, trumpet ,, contrabbasso-
————————
-17-mc.coy.tyner,p ,, gary bartz,sax ,, john lee.basso ,, john blake,violino ,, wilby fletcher,dr ..’guest’->essiet ‘oxush’ essiet, contrabbasso,, live at Roma saturday 10′ march-1984-
-x-drawing of ..piano ,, basso ,, violino ,, sax ,, contrabbasso-
———————–
-18-sir-roland hanna,p – ”Super Trio” ron carter,cb ,, tony williams,dr ..live at ”teatro”Olimpico” Roma friday 23”march-1984- -x-drawing of ..piano-
————————-
-19-larry coryell,cht – TRIO, alphonse mouzon,dr ,, bunny brunell,basso live at Roma 4′april-1984- -x-drawing of ..guitar ,, basso ,, drums-
————————
-20-20.a-20.b-carmen.mc.rae, vcl -trio,, pat,??.piano ,, john??.contrabbasso ,, donald bailey,drums ..live at Roma saturday 27′ october-1984-
-x-drawing of ..piano ,, contrabbasso ,, drums-
======================= xxxxxxxx ===================
August 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Both maroon.. it was the exact same record bought and then resold a little more than a month later.
August 20th, 2012 at 9:00 am
On the Sonny Criss:2nd Press (Black label) v. 1st Press (Maroon label)?
August 18th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Anyone notice this? Wow! I think I’m most surprised about this record going for so cheap the first time around.
it really pays to know what you’re selling.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONNY-CRISS-Go-Man-1950-s-Imperial-Jazz-Mono-LP-9020-/230798283225?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item35bca651d9#ht_1018wt_948
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2a1f5548ee&item=180914309358&nma=true&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&rt=nc&si=vIVFYUluOK8s8d7PjGubiUfcl0M%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_500wt_922
August 16th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I have a Herbie Hancock vinyl record and i can’t find any
information of it’s pressing. I found a repress version of it from the same
label with the same catalog number but the covers are compleatly different (mine
reading rock your soul with red letters). The catalog code is HMR 9011 and it
states the year -61, and the repress doesen’t even state it’s release year. It’s
a UK pressing and quite old but this is all i know.
Does anyone have a clue about what kind of release could this be?
August 5th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Foes anyone know how many Riverside records were pressed by Plastylite? I have a white label copy of RLP 4004, Geoffrey Holder- Songs of the Carribean. It has the deep groove, flat edge, and the ear mark.
August 5th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Sellers should not be allowed to have private feedback.
August 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am
And oddly enough allow his feedback is now private.. Funny that.
August 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
And so begins the end of sunsetstrip.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=sunsetstripvinyl&ftab=AllFeedback
July 25th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Third try:
LINK
July 25th, 2012 at 11:11 am
second try on the link. Sorry, never try to add your href tags in a rush before lunch!
LINK
July 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I just wanted to say something about Larance Marable who passed recently. Larance was a hell of a player and one of a few remaining links to what I might call a “West Coast Hard Bop” scene. Don’t take my label to seriously. I was introduced to Larance through my love of Sonny Clark. Larance played with Sonny on a few great sessions that are some of my Favorites;
Sonny Criss “Go Man”
Larance Marable “Tenor man”(desert island album for me)
Larance also played on “Introducing Carl Perkins” and Lorraine Geller’s “At the Piano” both of which I dig.
But what I learned from Ethan Iverson’s blog post (An absolute URL: LINK : This is a short but nice memorial by Charlie Haden) was that Marable played with Haden on a number of nice albums in the 80-early 90′s. I haven’t listened to any of those albums in 10+ years but I’m going to listen to some of them today.
July 24th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
I have a very unique item available that may be of interest to jazz collectors. It’s a beautiful piece of history, a great-sounding 16×16 Gretsch floor tom owned and played by jazz legend Elvin Jones. The window for when the drum’s Anniversary Sparkle finish was available, along with the early 60s Swissair baggage tag still on the drum’s case, makes it likely this drum was used during Elvin’s signature years with John Coltrane, possibly on a European tour. The sparkles in the finish have been tinted gold, likely from playing in smoky clubs.
Pictures can be found here and here.
A provenance document signed by Keiko Jones is included.
Serious offers/trades can be directed to my gmail address, johnmarkstanley. Thanks.
July 24th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Hy,
I started to collect BN last year and would like to understand more about it. Frederick Cohens book is my new bible. But could you please tell me where to find the actual version of “blue note illustrated”, when megaupload is smashed down in between?
Thx in adance
Jens
July 19th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
I have Impulse glossy labels through at least A95 Ascension, so at least through 1965.
July 19th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Does anybody know when, or from what catalog number, Impulse went from the shiny black and orange label to the matte black and orange label?
July 17th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Have you tried library collections? I might check the Rutgers University Institute of jazz Studies as a starter.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Is there an official DownBeat archives? I’ve been unable to get any response from the one in the western suburbs of Chicago. I’m a Chicago historian and am looking for articles about blues, not jazz per se and DB (along with Hit Parader) was about the only mag covering the blues at all (a few Playboy articles but not many)in that late ’50′s early ’60′s period. Any thoughts? The line where blues and jazz overlap interests me as well…anybody out there? Anybody know the details of a (DB sponsored?)music event in Chicago where Dizzy jammed with Muddy waters @ Soldier Field? 1964-65?
July 16th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Correct !
Remember the seller from Brazil, maybe one year ago ?
A similar story: top money records, too good to be
Now, again..
Also please have a look at some negatives that the current seller got: 2 past buyers recieved EMPTY mailers !
July 16th, 2012 at 7:44 am
duonri: interesting. He sold all the Blue Notes. No returns accepted. He has not got top money. A normal presentation would have given a better result. If it is a fraud, he has amassed some good money though.
Now the positive feedbacks are to be expected, or not!
July 16th, 2012 at 5:14 am
Completed items:
http://www.ebay.com/csc/sunsetstripvinyl/m.html?item=160844626426&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item25731639fa&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc
July 15th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Hi all,
Look at this auction: All higher price Blue Note in one batch. Looks strange, isn’t it ?!?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/sunsetstripvinyl/m.html?hash=item25731639fa&item=160844626426&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562
July 10th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Could anyone help me in determining the value of my John Coltrame autograph ? It is from his last concert on 5/7/67 in Baltimore Md. It is on the flyer sent out by the Left Bank Jazz Society which sponsored the event. The flyer is thin blue and green cardboard with nice photos of him. After 45 years I don’t know if there are many ( any ?) of these still around.
June 28th, 2012 at 7:43 am
I think I found the answer to my question about the 1965 Bill Evans Riverside album. Apparently, the copy I found was one of the last to be issued on the blue mike and reel labels with deep grooves. I had incorrectly assumed that Riverside stopped pressing albums in 1964, but it looks like they were still issuing titles right into 1966, albeit without the mike and reels. I would have liked to have obtained an original 1960 pressing of ‘Portrait in Jazz,’ but a clean March 1965 pressing is pretty unique in its own way.
Here is where I found the info: http://www.bsnpubs.com/new/riverside.pdf
June 27th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Bill: that is what I thought too.
June 27th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Does anyone know when Riverside stopped pressing records? I found a large, deep-groove pressing of Bill Evans’ ‘Portrait in Jazz’ yesterday. It has a date in the deadwax of 3/13/65. I thought Riverside was defunct by that time and that Orpheum was pressing some of the titles on the aqua colored label since ’63-’64?
June 27th, 2012 at 9:05 am
MikeF: you are right, she did a documentary which was on the BBC and HBO. On that basis then, apparently, she wrote the book.
June 27th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Hannah Rothschild directed “The Jazz Baroness” which showed on cable in the US. It was about Nica. I saw it sometime in the past year.
June 27th, 2012 at 2:06 am
Mike F/Bill: do you mean a film documentary? In that case, the answer is no. Nica is the author’s great-aunt.
Anything more than just protection regarding Thelonious? I would say no. There was however more in her relation with Art Blakey.
June 27th, 2012 at 12:20 am
I ordered the book(had to be shipped from UK). This is the author who did the documentary, no? I enjoyed the documentary.
June 26th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Rudolph,
Sounds like a great summer read. Do tell, any insight as to whether the Baroness was more than just an admirer?
June 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
I just read a book that should be of interest to any serious Thelonious Monk adept:
Title: The Baroness
subtitle: The search for Nica, the rebellious Rothschild
author: Hannah Rothschild
publisher: Virago Press, London
ISBN: 978-1-84408-603-0
I sure learnt a lot about Nica and her famous protégé, Thelonious.
June 19th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
I recently picked up a nice mono copy of Coltrane’s “Ballads” on Impulse. It’s a nice looking record and cover overall, and appears to be an early press. However, the record I believe is a misprint. The release number on the label says A-32, which would coincide with the Coltrane title. However, instead of Coltrane’s name on the date, it instead has “Russian Jazz Quartet”. The album is ballads.. the track listings are correct, as well as the matrix numbers.. seems odd. I’ve seen one other instance on popsike, but very few details. Does anyone on here have a story they can relate about this one?
June 13th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I have a CD of Hank Mobley’s “Thinking of Home”. I don’t really love the sound on the cd(I do really like the session though). Does anyone have experience with King pressing of this album? Does it have good bass? I’m looking into improving my copy of this session. How about the UA, I’ve never heard it either but am usually less than impressed with some of those.
June 12th, 2012 at 10:10 am
For all Bill Evans fans(like me),this recent review by Marc Myers on Jazzwax is like finding buried treasure.The promo clip at the end from Resonance Records will further whet one’s appetite:
http://www.jazzwax.com/2012/06/bill-evans-at-the-gate-1968.html
June 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Andrea, I update the Price Guide every couple of months, but it hasn’t been updated since earlier this year, in 2012, not 2008.
June 10th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Hi,
but Record Price
how often is updated?
stopped at 2008!?
thanks
Andrea
June 8th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Thanks for the advice Drew!!
June 8th, 2012 at 3:39 am
@ceedee: thanks, but i don’t think it’s very likely that i will find a solution…
June 7th, 2012 at 2:03 am
Hey Chris-good luck with that!
June 6th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Dear Collectors,
i’ve been an unlucky lucky finder yesterday: i found an original copy of Lee Morgan – Candy (BN 1590) in NM condition for a very, very cheap price – so i thought. When i pulled the LP out of the original sleeve, it was a japanese repress. I couldn’t resist though and now i hope there might be someone who wants to part with his spare copy of the LP he of course has sitting in his collection without the cover for years… might i be lucky this time and there be anybody jumping up who wants to help me? Thanks for replies, Chris
June 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Re: James Van Druten
Personally, I say it depends on what your goals may be… Are you into Hi-fidelity & have a decent stereo/analog rig? There are wonderful sounding & collectible re-issues that are a great way to get into the hobby.
Music Matters offers Blue Note reissues that are top notch, not just in sound quality, but the record jacket and artwork is just as impressive.
Analogue Productions offers Blue Note, Impulse, Verve, Prestige, Fantasy, etc, reissues. Great sound quality.
Original Recordings Group (ORG) is doing a Black Lion Reissue program. This just started. I haven’t yet listened to my first two copies yet, but if anyone is interested I can post an update.
Mosaic Records does vinyl reissues from time to time. A great company.
People tend to think the world of all Japanese reissues. They are just like anything else. There are great pressings and not so great pressings.
Concord Music Group which does the Original Jazz Classic series (OJC). These tend to sound good and is a good way for people on a budget to enjoy Jazz on vinyl.
There are a number of other labels that do vinyl reissues as well. It just depends on your personal preference and requirements. Great sounding reissues, just be on the look out for… what tapes are being used, who’s doing the mastering, cutting, and pressing.
As you can tell, original copies of 1st pressings can fetch big dollars. Condition is everything!!! You may get lucky at yard sales, flea markets, etc, if you know what you are looking for. Knowledge is key here. At the same time, the right reissues are not only a great starting point, but highly desirable and collectible as well.
June 5th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on how to start a jazz vinyl collection. I’m already quite familiar with the different styles and performers of jazz but I know very little about jazz vinyl records. I’m a little confused about the differences between certain pressings, reissues, and how to tell if the record is an original. I’ve noticed that reissues are much cheaper than the originals, so should I stick to reissues to start out with? I’m a college student with limited funds but I really want to start collecting!!
Thanks so much for your input,
James
June 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
what do you mean by “what is printed?”
the original should have BOTH sides Lexington and flat edge vinyl. Cover should be Kakubushi frame design.
You have a second or third pressing… i think..
June 5th, 2012 at 1:25 am
Hi,
I have a copy of Miles Davis Vol 1 1501 Blue Note,deep groove both side,RVG,Ear, the label is Lexington side 1 , side 2 is West 63 rd the cover has the Lexington Avenue address on bottom
what is printed?
thanks
Andrea
May 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
This James Clay rarity-the one with Sonny Clark-has been recently reissued on cd in Japan.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAWRENCE-MARABLE-JAMES-CLAY-SONNY-CLARK-TENORMAN-JAPAN-CD-B50-/350568535974?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item519f8357a6
May 14th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
“Jesus Christ, what a night! I saw guys I hadn’t seen for years! They’d got fat and changed. Donald Byrd was twice the size of me! I looked at him and said, that’s you? Freddie Hubbard was up there bustin’ outta his suit. Somebody said we shoulda been called Art Blakey and The Jazz Bellybands.” – Art Blakey, quoted by Brian Case in Wire, December 1984, p.13.
May 14th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
knew this site allready, but never watched this page. Interesting, because you get some nice quotes of the musicians between the discography:
http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Blakey/chron.htm
May 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@ Al: Yes indeed, it has the deep groove and it’s on heavy vinyl with great sound. Plus it came with the ’25 years of Blue Note’ inner sleeve, which would make sense. Thanks.
May 11th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Lander. Seems like it was probably a New York USA pressing with a spare West 63rd label. If it has the deep grooves and ear it wouldn’t be a later pressing. I imagine it’s on pretty heavy vinyl and probably sounds great, right?
May 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Hello fellow jazz collectors, I have a question regarding Sonny Rollins – A Night At The Village Vanguard LP (Blue Note 1581). As an original copy, the label has the 47 WEST 63rd-NYC address, and there is a later pressing which has the New York USA address on both sides.
Now, I have a copy with the New York USA address on side 1 and the 47 WEST 63rd-NYC address on side 2.
This makes me wonder if my copy was released together with the New York USA (both sides) run, but with a recycled 47 WEST 63rd-NYC label. Or is this a later pressing than the New York USA run?
The record has RVG, P and DG on both sides.
Thanks in advance.
May 5th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Info on a possible Blue Note mispressing?
I have two copies of Jimmy Smith’s Midnight Special, both NY USA ear pressings, one stereo and one mono.
On side 1/A of the stereo pressing, in the trail-out there’s the ‘RVG STEREO’ stamp, but on side 2/B, there’s just ‘RVG’
On the mono pressing, both sides have the trail-out ‘RVG’
On all my other various BN’s, the ‘RVG’ designation was used on monos and the ‘RVG STEREO’ was used for the stereos (except for later pressings, where it becomes separate ‘VAN GELDER’ and ‘STEREO’ stamps).
The handscratched LP numbering on the stereo pressing say ‘BN-ST 84078 – A’ and ‘BN-ST 84078 BL’
I know, I know, if I could listen to it, I’d probably know if one side was stereo and the other mono, but I just don’t have a turntable set up in the house just now…
Anybody ever seen something like this? A mix up at Plastylite perhaps?
Thanks!
May 5th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Looking for serious buyer of a very rare record, dizzie gillepsie, night and day (cole porter) 78 10″ under the the English esquire label 10-363, will not find this anywhere else, believe me I’ve tried contact me on markmay1991@hotmail.com
May 5th, 2012 at 8:02 am
my feeling is that the one with people holding up the signs is the first issue. Waiting for more knowledgeable readers to confirm (or invalidate).
May 4th, 2012 at 3:18 am
Does anybody know which is the first cover for the 1960 Paul Desmond album “First Place Again” on Warner Bros. Records, the b&w portrait or the people holding up the signs in the stands?
May 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 am
ceedee: you are right.
May 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 am
Rudolf: Yes-
ORIGINAL U.S. PRESSING: CAPITOL RECORDS ()
May 3rd, 2012 at 3:04 am
ceedee: Blue Serge -I went through the description of this second pressing, but could not find any claim by seller that it is an original. Seller just gives the details with pictures included. Did I miss something?
May 2nd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Those interested in a “second pressing vs.original” debate might find this of note. This Serge Chaloff lp features Sonny Clark(good),but is not the original release(with teal label),in spite of the listing which states otherwise. Too much?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=360453397454&nma=true&rt=nc&si=wG2DAHFvekgkkPPLg%252BPbn8fWZvM%253D&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
May 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm
sorry………
May 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm
i have a liberty pressing, and strangly enough: the same notes as the original!!!
)
May 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
the seller was right about one thing though: My Girl Shirl is fantastic!!
May 1st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE:Byrd In Flight-Al,I used to have a bottom line on ‘ridiculous’..if it costs more than I paid for my first car($450,as I recall) it was too much. That figure has been surpassed long ago for many buyers,but not for me. I note that your mention of the price paid last year was nearly SIX TIMES the highest price paid in your accounting. It looks like the seller simply said,”Well,if somebody paid that much one time,another bidder risked nearly as much. Maybe they’re still out there!” so the “minimum” is suddenly $1,700. My gut feeling-or perhaps my hope-is that if suddenly most Blue Notes of that period start “demanding” those kind of minimal payments,people will begin to balk,eventually bringing the prices down to a more “reasonable” figure:about what my Chevy S/S cost me in ’69.
May 1st, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Although, to be fair, there was a copy of Byrd in Flight that sold for more than $1,700 late last year, so it’s not completely out of the realm:
http://jazzcollector.com/?s=byrd+in+flight&x=0&y=0
May 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
@ceedee:
agreed. how ridiculous.
April 30th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Oh,greed…when thou raise thine ugly head,’tis a loathsome thing!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DONALD-BYRD-IN-FLIGHT-Blue-Note-BLP-4048-Mono-DG-RVG-REVIEW-LP-Hank-Mobley-47-63-/190672963911?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2c64fe8947
April 29th, 2012 at 8:30 am
brilliantcorners: the Time trio LP of Sonny Clark (“OG”) is an original. The cover looks to be in awful condition.
April 27th, 2012 at 1:56 am
Rudolf of course you are right.
The most important thing is the mastering work and combined with a high quality pressing you get a perfect result. Checked my copy of 7007. It has the NY adress but no ear and no hint for plastylite on the cover. The one you have got must be really really rare.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Sonny Clark LP on Time, Does Anybody Know If This is Original ? It’s on Ebay at The Moment, Described as “OG”. Is That Rare ? Thanks.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Jan: I checked just two albums you mentioned: 140 and 190. Mine have the ears too.
The ones I mentioned in my previous comments all have something more: a special mention on the back cover “pressing by Plastylite”. This is special, more special than the ears (P) themselves.
I agree with your quality remark for 190, but would have thought the high quality is in the first place because of the engineering by Rudy van Gelder, amongst the first he did for Prestige.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Found some more: PRLP 113 140 154 158 and 159
April 26th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
My Sonny Rollins PRLP 190 has the ear too. Recognised it for the first time today. Now I know why I always thought that this is despite beeing a 10 inch pressing one of my best sounding records. Great Sonny.
April 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
in addition to my last: I found another Plastylite pressing on Prestige # 210 Bennie Green (10″).
April 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
there are a few, very early 7000-series and late 200 (10″)-series items on Prestige which were pressed by Plastylite. I recently sold PrLp 208 (King Pleasue) which was Plastylite. I have the 7007 too in Plastylite, but this is a very scarce first print.
April 16th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
How many Prestige 12″ titles were pressed by Plastylite? I just picked up an original flat-edge pressing of PRLP 7007, The Musings of Miles, and was surprised to find the “P” in the deadwax and text on the back cover that reads: custom made pressing by “PLASTYLITE” This is a first for me as I didn’t know Prestige used them.
April 4th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
John L: Sleeve CIty is good source too for bags, etc.
http://www.sleevetown.com/
April 4th, 2012 at 10:39 am
JF-from the looks of those listings,it(you) might be better served by ‘slicing and dicing’-splitting it up-to get anything of note. Overall,I’d say a word with the folks at Rutgers Institute Of Jazz Studies might help. Ephemera is what they do(at least,in part). There is also a gathering of collectors that specialize in “oldtime jazz”-for lack of a better term-soon to come in NJ this summer. It was written up by Al recently on this site. If nothing else,some other contact info could come from a phone call or such. Good luck!
http://newarkwww.rutgers.edu/IJS/
April 4th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Dear Folks,
The Austin & Ann Hill Jazz Collection
Sadly, having survived his wife by a matter of months, this year saw the passing of Austin Hill. During his life Austin was an avid collector of rare and unusual jazz recordings and it is the request of his estate that the collection be kept in tact. It has fallen to me to attempt to catalogue this collection and see if I can find a suitable home where it will be cared for and enjoyed by as large an audience as possible.
To this end, I have carefully photographed both front and reverse side of each recording in the collection, along with other related publications, journals and artefacts which Mr. Hill’s estate would like to see comprise this collection.
For now, I have placed photographs of the collection on the Flickr web service. You will find these photos in three “sets” at
Austin & Ann Hill Jazz Collection
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jazzarchive/collections/72157629238012496/
The sets are;
1. Recordings – (Front cover only – Back covers available soon or on request)
2. Library – photographs from the shelves showing the publications in the collection
3. Ephemera – Magazines, journals and sheet music of “Valise Ione” by W. E. Jordan with dedication from composer 1941
Please note that the easiest way to view more than one image in Flickr is to select one of the sets from the Collection page above and then hit the “Slideshow” button.
I hope you find the collection of interest and would appreciate your thoughts on how we might best seek suitable curation for it’s future, or whether the collection should be broken up and sold individually.
I hope this is the right place for such a posting. My sincere apologies if not. In the meantime I would look forward to having your thoughts on this collection.
Yours faithfully
Alexander Gater
on behalf of the Executors of the estate of Austin Hill
April 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Thanks Mike…Very helpful!
April 3rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Cazoon,
I think you will get an array of answers. For late pressing Blue Notes, there has been some discussion about what is the best road. It depends what you are going for, the best quality audio, or something with collectible value.
An example, Late 70s/early 80s Japanese King pressings are moderate collectibles. Usually go for $30-$150. I have a few of them but personnally I tend to prefer Classic Records reissues. Better bass response. It’s hard to go wrong with the King pressings though. The late 90s Toshiba pressings I have sound very thin, almost shrill. I think I’ve seen this opinion around here as well.
I don’t really care for to many of the CD reissues from Blue Note. The connoisseur series contains stuff that wasn’t originally issued(except in Japan or a Mosaic box), this makes it hard to pass up. I personally don’t care for the RVG series, or the Japanese reissues but others on this board will disagree. I would much rather get one of the SACD reissues.
Liberty pressings are hit and miss, but at a nice price I’d grab one every time.
I’m in a minority here, but for sound quality alone I tend to go for the audiophile reissues. They are pricey though.
This question will get you a few different answers, so the best thing to do is experiment. Also, figure out if you are going for items with collectible value or you only want a good value or if you want the best sound quality. This will save you some time.
April 2nd, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Thanks Mike and Ceedee. I’ll give BI a try.
April 2nd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
As I become increasingly more and more obsessed by jazz and ,in particular jazz on vinyl, I realize I am not going to be able to afford certain ‘rare’ sessions. I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction regarding reissues. Blue Note for certain. What is the recommendation of the community here? Later Liberty pressings, Japan, Connoisseur Series? Thanks for the advice.
March 29th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
John, I get good stuff for 10″ records at Bags Unlimited as well.
Ceedee, I got that record for $10 years ago and I definitely enjoy it. I really dig the cover, Blakey has that “Don’t mess with me” thing going. I want to frame it and put it on my front door.
March 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
This is a rare-and cheap-Blakey LP that I dig. One of his most underrated dates,it has swinging arrangements and a great ensemble sound!http://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Blakey-Jazz-Messengers-Golden-Boy-Lee-Morgan-Wayne-Shorter-Colpix-478-ST-/180852507584?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2a1ba643c0r
Also;John L.,I get a lot of my shipping/storage material from Bags Unlimited. They should have what you need for 10″ lps.
March 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I have recently bought a few classic 10” LPs – The Quintet: Jazz At Massey Hall (Vol1 & 3), Thelonious Monk: Genius Of Modern Music. All of them are near mint and sound fabulous, so I want to preserve them carefully.
I’m trying to locate poly-lined or rice paper-lined 10” sleeves that have die-cut holes that are big enough to show the whole of a 10” LP label (not the inners which are made for 78rpm discs with the smaller holes).
I have scoured the internet and cannot find anyone selling such a product. If anyone has any recommendations or some they’d consider selling I’d be made up (I need between 10 and 20). The only caveat is that I don’t want the vintage poly-lined ones we had in the UK in the 50s as that plastic can occasionally react with some discs and stick to the playing surface.
March 23rd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Rudolf,
If you look at both pictures you can see that the green areas are just from a digital camera defect. The small pressing ring (but not the label) looks like the ones found on the 180g Connoisseur series pressed at RTI.
March 23rd, 2012 at 2:38 am
Dolphy/Blue Note/Djukic: there is something else which amazes me: the colour of the sleeve. It looks like somebody did some patchwork. I never saw green mixed in with the blue. So the razor story has a logic.
The small pressing ring looks European.
March 22nd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Hi Aaron (and everybody else as this is my first post!)
I doubt that this 4163 is a first pressing. As you have mentioned, no original first pressing has such a small pressing ring on the label.
First pressings should show the following characteristics:
1- Label address: New York USA (OK)
2- Deep Groove on side 1 only (NO)
3- Ear or “P” mark on dead wax (not mentioned, so NO)
4- VAN GELDER stamped (OK)
5- Address on back cover: 43 West 61st St., New York 23 (OK)
6- “Printed in USA” appears to the right of the back cover address (OK).
Quite many features are there, but The deep groove and the “ear” are not! Not to forget the strange small pressing ring on the label.
I think without the deep groove and the “ear”, this record cannot be considered a first issue.
March 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Anybody see this odd copy of Out To Lunch being sold by our friend bobdjukic? http://www.ebay.com/itm/350546789482?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
I’ve never seen a vintage Blue Note with a small pressing ring in the center like this, anyone else? No mention of an “ear” so probably a Liberty pressing but still curious.
March 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am
John, you are welcome. There is one more criterion I forgot to mention: the way the Riverside logo is written on the front cover. In the second version it is written with an ellips around. The original version is without the ellips. Diificult to describe, but the way it is pictured on your 2nd image.
There is one caveat: in the past many people, including myself, changed covers, if they could improve on neatness. So, one can never be 100 % sure of anything.
March 20th, 2012 at 3:15 am
Thank you for solving that puzzle.
March 19th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Very interesting. I would’ve thought #1 was the original based on the small label. I learned something. Thanks John Lindsay for bringing it up and Rudolf for answering.
March 19th, 2012 at 2:58 am
everything indicates that # 2 is the original.
My question on the catalogue extract related to the section “other Riverside records we recommend/you might like” or something like that. They come with some selected items. The second issues sometimes give later issues, unknown at the time of issue of the first pressing.
March 18th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
#1 Has the catalogue number RLP 12-305 on the back. The slick appears identical to the mono slick. However the catalogue number on the spine and top left of the front cover is 1150.
#2 Has the stereo explanation box and the catalogue number on the back is RLP 1150.
March 18th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
the 1100 series have the original Riverside first stereo pressings. On the back slick the early stereos had the stereo explanation box. The later stereo versions had the 9 prefix. Theorange band on top is alsoa phenomenon of later pressings.
Do both have the same catalogue extract on the rear?
March 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
PS- The back slick on 1150 looks to be the earlier style than the one on 12-305 so jazzdisco.org might not be correct.
March 18th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
The first one looks like a regular label to me and also the small label does not have INC. on it. Tough question though, the first one has the same colors as the original small label mono but with a later Riverside logo while the second one, with different colors, has the earlier logo. It comes down to which style of catalog number came first. According to jazzdisco.org RLP 1150 is reissue of Riverside RLP 12-305.
March 18th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Your first one has the small label so I believe that one is the first. Michel is our biggest Riverside expert, I think.
What confuses me is they both have the
“Bill Graur Productions Inc”, right? That’s usually the first thing I would look for as the earlier ones don’t say Inc.
March 18th, 2012 at 7:30 am
I have two stereo copies of Thelonious Monk’s 5 by Monk by 5 on Riverside.
Can anyone tell me which one is the 1st pressing?
Stereo #1
Photo:
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h429/disc78/5byMonkby5stereo1.jpg
This has an orange stereo band across the top of the front cover and the “5 By 5” lettering is in orange. It has the same back slick as the mono pressing with catalogue number RLP 12-305 and the full liner notes along with two photos.
The label is deep groove with the catalogue number RS 12-9305
Stereo #2
Photo:
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h429/disc78/5byMonkby5stereo2.jpg
This has stereo printed discretely below the Riverside logo in the front and the “5 By 5” lettering is in turquoise. It has as a unique stereo back slick with catalogue number RLP 1150, a box describing “Riverside Stereophonic”, shorter notes and no photos of the band.
The label is deep groove with the catalogue number RLP 1150
March 17th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Demco book cleaner works great on laminated covers. It is made basically for that purpose. I have only been able to get it direct though Demco but a 16 oz container goes a long way.
March 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Bill: try 90% alcohol from a drugstore on humid absorbant cotton.
March 17th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Does anyone know of a way to clean laminated LP covers? Is there a substance you use and would recommend? I found an original pressing of Sonny Rollins’ ‘Saxophone Colossus’ at a thrift store outside of Syracuse. Unfortunately, the disc is trashed. I would like to frame the cover, but it is kinda dirty.
March 17th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Hi John,
No it hasn’t died!
March 17th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Gabriele-
RE:Red Garland,this MAY be a listing of what you have on vinyl(here from a cd compilation).
VDJ-1591 Red Garland Artistry In Jazz
- Compiled by Yasukini Terashima
- From the albums: Soul Junction, When There Are Grey Skies, Bright And Breezy VIJ-135(LP), All Kinds Of Weather, The Nearness Of You, A Garland Of Red VIJ-236 (LP), Red In Bluesville, High Pressure, Hallelo-Y’all, Groovy
1) Hallelujah, 2) St. James Infirmary, 3) What’s New, 4) Summertime, 5) I’ve Got It Bad And That Ain’t Good (mono), 6) I’ve Got It Bad And That Ain’t Good (stereo), 7) The Nearness Of You, 8) Llittle Girl Blue, 9) St. Louis Blues, 10) What Is There To Say, 11) Everytime I Feel The Spirit, 12) C-Jam Blues
March 16th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Has this section died? It would be a shame
March 4th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Hello,
I just bought a Red Garland Album “The Artistry of Red Garland” (Prestige SMJ-9028-9 (M)). It’s a double Album, Japanese pressing.
Does anybody knows anything about it. I’ve searched the internet, but no info whatsoever…
Thanks
GAb
March 3rd, 2012 at 5:07 am
need help: I’m going to San Diego Ca this month.
can anyone suggest record shops in the area?
February 24th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
It is a fine record but the one cut on the transition sampler is the reason I bought it and the Bethlehem is not at the same level
February 23rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Thanks Russ, It sounded like someone was bumping a mic. Maybe with Dick’s bow arm. I do enjoy this record, I find it to be ahead of it’s time in a lot of ways.
February 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 am
Here’s another Blue Note anomaly. I just picked up BLP 1528, Lexington on both sides with ear and RVG etched but deep groove only on 1 side and 61st address on back cover. Obvious later pressing indicators. But the record is a flat rim! I would imagine flat rims were the 1st thing to be discontinued. Very curious.
February 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Re: Dick Whetmore bcp1035 – studio noise someone hit a mic or was very clumsy
February 22nd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Jazz Wax Article
Sorry about that, I was trying to use Jazzwax’s trackback URL and it was giving me problems.
February 22nd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Jazz Wax Article
February 22nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Jazz Wax Article
Anybody have this album. I found one copy on ebay for $40 but I think I’m gonna keep looking. The story is real cool.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Does anyone have Dick Wetmore on Bethlehem BCP-1035? When playing my copy I’ve noticed a few clicks on the 2nd and 3rd tracks of side two. These clicks sound a lot more like bumping a microphone in the studio than noise. My copy is very nice and plays without any noise any where else(the nicest Bethlehem 10″ I have). So I was wondering if someone else could listen to there copy and see if the same clicks exist on theres or not. It’s not loud by any means, but I noticed it during the violin solo a few time.
Thanks
February 19th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I wanted to let you all know that I’ve expanded my blog with a ‘Jazz Record Archive’, where I’ve posted pictures and info on a few dozen of my favorite jazz records. Although there is a US jazz section, the largest part is European Jazz, divided per country/region. Feel free to check it out at http://thejazzkid.tumblr.com/records
February 10th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
a date with the great Vol 7
charlie parker
lester young
Ray Brown
hank Jones
February 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Here’s Link, sorry about that.
Rudy Van Gelder Article. Rudy Van Gelder Article.
February 7th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
I thought this was a cool RVG article. I knew most of it already but I learned a few things.
Google Rudy Van Gelder Article.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:34 am
Can You help me please to find year of issue of some Impulse reissues ?
The first one is Archie Shepp- Mama Too Tight,AS-9134, US repress with sport black labels with a red ring around the outer circumfrence, and the same jacket as the original.”A Product of ABC Records, Inc. New York, N.Y. 10019. Made in USA” written along the bottom of the label.
The second is French reissue of John Coltrane Ascension AS-95 with classic black and orange labels with catalog number A-95,Recorded by A.B.C. Records,Inc. U.S.A. and STEREO Ce disque peut étre utilisé avec on lecteur MONO at label and Made in France around the label bottom and in dead wax:Side A: AS 95 A 21 M6 269765 ,Side B: AS 95 B 21 M6 269766. In original american gatefold cover with catalog number A-95.
The third is French reissue of Pharoah Sanders – Karma AS-9181
with classic black and orange labels with catalog numbers A-9181 and AS-9181,Recorded by A.B.C. Records,Inc. U.S.A. and STEREO Ce disque peut étre utilisé avec on lecteur MONO at label and Made in France around the label bottom and in dead wax Side A: AS 9181 A 21 M6 266470,Side B: AS 9181 B 21 M6 266480.Original american gatefold cover with catalog number A-9181
Thank You very much
February 1st, 2012 at 6:18 pm
here’s a great youtube video of 1 and a half hours of different live Coltrane, put together so you can listen for 90 min. without changin’… loved it
bit of Getz, bit of dolphy?.. etc…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wiwp2sdsxl0
February 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
There is a great Benny Golson interview on “The Checkout” podcast. For those who don’t know, it’s a podcast from WBGO Newark where the host Josh Jackson(a New Orleans native) interviews people in Jazz. usually it is contemporary artists. But this weeks interview with Benny Golson is great, that man can tell a great story. I’d listen to Golson talk for hours if I could.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
For all my fellow vinyl junkies, even Steve Jobs listened to vinyl instead of an iPod at home:
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/138421249.html
January 29th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Hi Aaron,
the only thing that comes to mind is that recording:
http://virgin-vinyl-records.ecrater.com/p/10312136/john-klein-music-for-peace-of-mind#
But I’m sorry, I don’t know anything about it.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
I have a Test Pressing by Plastylite. Customer was “Chapel”. Number “AR10″
Recorded 2-19-64. Does anyone know anything about this pressing, band…?
January 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am
…Anybody want to see what a $125,000.00 LP looks like ? Check this one out !
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beatles-introducing-Beatles-LP-Sealed-/330524746292?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D15%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5929778307935227966
January 24th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I have found a book with Bebop Jazz plus chord changes..also indicates record company and record number. How do I check for the value?? Any help you can give will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob
January 20th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Other Mike: i would also use ebay, unless you have a friend that knows what it’s all about. The importent thing is to show good pictures, the more the better. Front cover, back cover and verry importend , the label, both A- and B- side.
Check popsike and ebay for the same records that you have,look how they discribe the specifics. And pay verry good attention to the writings on the label, the typeface, LP-numbers etc. One letter different and that could be the difference between a 1000 $ record or just a $50 record.
Also importend. The discription in the title of your ebay-listing. Use artist name, Album name, label name, album number and if you see a famous name between the side-men on the album, also use that in the title. In this way you have the biggest chance somebody will find your LP. If the discription is good, the bidders will do the rest for you.Good luck.
January 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Julie: ha, i now see you only wanted to know about the “oder”… i say, leave it, it ads to the charme and authenticity….. unless ofcourse it’s so strong it makes people vomit….
January 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
julie: i would also use ebay, unless you have a friend that knows what it’s all about. The importent thing is to show good pictures, the more the better. Front cover, back cover and verry importend , the label, both A- and B- side.
Check popsike and ebay for the same records that you have,look how they discribe the specifics. And pay verry good attention to the writings on the label, the typeface, LP-numbers etc. One letter different and that could be the difference between a 1000 $ record or just a $50 record.
Also importend. The discription in the title of your ebay-listing. Use artist name, Album name, label name, album number and if you see a famous name between the side-men on the album, also use that in the title. In this way you have the biggest chance somebody will find your LP. If the discription is good, the bidders will do the rest for you.Good luck.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I’m going to start posting under Mike F, since Mike is a very common name. I’m the frequent(and occasionally obnoxious) posting Mike. My name is actually Michel, but we already have one of those as well.
Anyway, my advice could be off but I think that selling on Ebay successfully requires a reputation that needs developing. That’s why I suggested finding someone to help you. I’ve only sold a handful of things on ebay though, so I’m no expert. I just no that if I see someone with 0 feedback and a M- record, I’m less likely to trust that than someone with more feedback/quality reputation. Even if someone on this list lives in his area, they may be willing to help him sell on ebay, help with the grading, etc.
Mike, I’d love to hear how it goes when you do sell the items. I know others would too.
Mike F
January 20th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Dear Mike, you’re absolutely right in what you are saying, but I haven’t ever seen a store, that pays you anything, that really is near market value. Mostly there’s way more to earn, if you take the time and go into ebay.
Just my five cents.
Btw., it would be more comfortable to see you getting another name – in virtual life, of course
January 19th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Hi Mike,
I’m another Mike around here.
The price guide here is a great tool but is not definitive. There is another resource(Popsike) which is less user friendly but has more listings. It is not necessarily definitive either though. Personally I would recommend finding someone in your area who can help you. Many shops sell on Consignment, if you aren’t interested in selling your collection. This will probably save you money, and definitely save you time. To get an idea of what they are worth, you can go through and grade them. Google “Goldmine record grading” and read that, this is the most common standard in the US and will allow you to compare prices. What area of the country/world are you in? You may be able to find someone here that could function as a consultant for you as well. Selling records on Ebay is actually pretty difficult/time consuming.
January 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
I’m not a big-time collector, but I have a number of Jazz albums I originally purchased in the mid-’60′s that have sat un-played for at least 25 years. I am retired and trying to consolidate so I figured I might try selling these albums on eBay, but I’m a novice when it comes to defining the album and condition.
Is there a FAQ on guidelines I should pay special attention to? Also, I’ve glanced at the price guide listing here and wondered if this is a definitive list meaning any other albums by listed artists are not collectibles? And is eBay the best way to go? I have albums by Lateef, Monk, Handy, Desmond, Byrd, Getz, Blakely, Evans, and many more.
Thanks for the help.
Mike
January 18th, 2012 at 11:00 am
To Julie-welcome aboard!
Re:”musty odor”,I don’t know of anything short of playing them- and bringing them up out of the dank basement atmosphere-that would help. Besides,a “musty”smell seldom deters LP lovers-in fact,it adds to the record’s authenticity! On the other hand,if you’re talking about MOLD..good luck! Once THAT hits a cover,it’s a goner(although moldy vinyl will respond to a good cleaning).
January 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am
also, there is a rare 45RPM single of Sam Lazar’s ‘Space Flight’ on a blue Cawthron Label that I’m looking for too … was recorded in 1959:
CP-2077 – Space Flight | Part 1 (Lazar) – Cawthron 507
CP-2078 – Space Flight | Part 2 (Lazar) – Cawthron 507
would be great, please contact arturzaitz@hotmail.com
January 18th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Hello. It’s been a pleasure to discover this website and I’ve been checking it out over the past 4 or 5 months – it’s really helped out tremendously, so thanks a bunch!
I was also wondering if anyone out there has a copy of the following record they are wishing to sell:
Sam Lazar – ‘Space Flight’ on Argo (Stereo) LPS-4002 w/Grant Green, Willie Dixon and Chauncey Williams.
Must be in at least VG++ condition and must be STEREO. I am a HUGE FAN of Grant Green, so owning this would be a dream come true. I am based in London, UK – am willing to pay decently for a copy.
If anyone has any info please contact: arturzaitz@hotmail.com
January 16th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I’m delighted to discover this site. I’ve got a collection of jazz LPs from the 1950′s that have been stored in my basement for decades. They include many Blue Note and Prestige rarities.
I finally decided to try marketing them and have been checking them out. Visually, they’re in amazingly good condition – both the LPs and the jackets – but there’s a slight musty odor. I’m wondering if anyone can tell me a way to “deodorize” them. Thanks!
January 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
.. I only would like to know if ‘someone’ has in his Videos jazz’Collections’ this live jazz festival from Fujitsu – Concerd -1994-.. where drummer–>Louie Bellson, plays in ”battle – drums” with -Jeff Hamilton.+.Lewis Nash.+.Gady Tate…..
.. http://jad.fujitsu.com/event/concord/history.html
-x) just ‘slide.down’ the page to -1994-date..
Please, let me know if you can help me sending a ‘simple’ DVD-copy of the Festival,, or if you know ‘someone’ alse that (may)?? ..have the Video-programs…
Well, thanks for your ‘gentle’ helps .. Bye bye ..fabio .
-x-> e-mails f.baglioni@yahoo.it
December 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
BigBear, you should definitely pay more attention to Lateef. A very gifted composer and even more impressive on his multiple instruments. Discovering him is absolutely rewarding.
December 29th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
I just listened for the first time to a first pressing of Paul Chambers 1st Bassman on VeeJay. This is a really terrific LP. Yusef Lateef wrote all of the songs – perhaps I need to pay more attention to him. Others from the session are Curtis Fuller (trombone), Yusef Lateef (tenor), Tommy Turretine (trumpet), Wynton Kelly (piano) and Lex Humphries (drums – a new name for me). Check it out…
December 29th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Does anyone know what year the Plastylite company closed down? Also, did they put a “P” on albums they pressed after 1966?
Thanks!
December 29th, 2011 at 6:28 am
sam rivers passed away on 26th of december.
A really great jazzmusician. I adore his blue note albums.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:34 am
Aaron: I always thought that these “funny” half smiling sun stamps were only on my Riverside copies. I don’t like them at all. Quite disturbing.
The Verves: CO stands for cut-out, I would have thought. Why 86? I don’t know.
Dottore: I would be very happy to send pictures of these strange Blue Note labels. Now, since I am computer illitterate, could somebody give me clear guidance how to operate to get a picture on our site to be viewed by all. The alternative is to send an email to the dottore with attachments. (I know how to do that.) In the latter case I need his e-mail adress.
December 24th, 2011 at 12:19 am
Aaron: It’s wonderful that you mention the sunrise stamp. Way back in the early sixties, the very first new/used record store in San Francisco, a place called Sea Of Records, would put the stamp on the back of it’s used, budget, and generally discounted records (a lot of what you see now is the mono issues when they were discontinued to make way for stereo). These were always displayed in the basement. They were mostly Jazz, although the owner was partial to Classical. It’s good to hear that they’re still showing up. I’ve seen that stamp all over the world!
CO86 (86 old US is slang for get rid of))is another cut-out stamp, like NR and RW (and just about any other stamp you see on the back of a record). It was used to distinguish the discounted, discontinued (no return), cut-out merchandise from the full price stuff. Later of course, a hole punch or cut corner was used.
December 23rd, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Speaking of stamps on record jackets, anyone know what the small red sunrise stamp means that’s on some Riverside LPs? Or the CO86 I’ve seen on Verves?
December 23rd, 2011 at 2:11 pm
I’ve never found a BN with such a detail, rare in other labels too.
being the first time, to my knowledge, it should have a bonus (small? high?), not a lower value.
can you please send pics to be published in Blue Note illustrated?
thanks
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:21 pm
I adored Brookmeyer, as a player and composer. One of the areas I enjoyed Brookmeyer the most was in the Gerry Mulligan big band. As I understand, he functioned as the musical director and composed many of the songs. Many of this work can be picked up for relatively cheap. I enjoy the Thad Jones/Mel Lewis big Band alot as well. It seems to be more heralded than the Mulligan big band, but I prefer the Mulligan big band. I actually really enjoy “Spirit Music” as well. A sad passing for the jazz world.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:07 am
BigBear: thank you for raising this question re RW. I have always wondered what the meaning of this stamp is. I think it is only on Prestige and New Jazz albums.
Jason: I am as puzzled as you are
by the absence of any comment on the passing away of Bob Brookmeyer. Are our friends too much focused on Blue Note artists?
To all: I have a Blue Note album 4029 which has two side 1 labels. The music though is correct, corresponding to side 1 and side 2. Also the hand-etched catalogue numbers are in order, showing sides A and B. Would this misprint diminish the value of the album or to the contrary?
December 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Does anyone know what the red stamp RW means on the back of some LPs? I thought I saw the answer someplace on JC but can’t find it. Thanks in advance!
December 21st, 2011 at 8:41 am
I thought for certain someone might have commented by now on the recent passing of Bob Brookmeyer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/arts/music/bob-brookmeyer-jazz-musician-and-educator-dies-at-81.html
December 20th, 2011 at 4:07 am
Hi There
i found a 10 inch LP of Else Bianchi live in Basel, dated from 1962. I am told that this is one of the phantoms of european jazz because there were just produced about 100 copies. Has anybody an idea what this could be worth?
thanks
December 18th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Bob Brookmeyer passed away on the 15th of Dec. at the age of 81.
He left a rich legacy to be enjoyed by all of us.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Last night I was listening to Art Blakey’s Ugetsu. I have an original(pretty sure at least) Black Label Stereo. It sounds great, and I mean the stereo aspect sounds really good for early 60s stereo recording. Take into account that, I don’t have both a Mono and Stereo of any riversides to compare(at least on vinyl, I have stereo SACD of The sounds of Sonny and Mono original but that’s it). I think that Riverside did the best job of Stereo in the early 60′s and am looking for others opinions on this. I’ve been more CONSISTENTLY impressed with their Stereo recordings than others of the Mid and small labels. RVG did some nice Stereo’s but also some duds where it has a bad seperation and whole in the middle effect. To be clear, I’m talking about the quality of the stereo aspect only. Not fidelity, mic techniques, pressing quality. What do y’all think?
December 10th, 2011 at 3:28 am
Al: you are right, the word compilation was ill chosen. They brought in top names to fill one LP side, starring Thad Jones, Charles Mingus, Konitz, Chaloff, to name a few. The title played: Billy’s Bounce (duration some 20 minutes). Issued only on Clef or Verve under the name Metronome All Stars. Recorded in1956. Can be had at a very low price. Good value for money. I am giving these details for community members unaware of the existence of this record.
December 9th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Hi, Rudolf. Yes I saw that one as well. I assumed it was a mistake. Love that record — it’s not a compilation, FYI, they brought them all into the studio. The side with Ella and Joe Williams and Basie is great, with a classic version of April in Paris.
December 9th, 2011 at 9:50 am
One of the better compilations of teh Fifties is on Clef, “The Metronome All Stars”, featuring Mingus and Art Blakey. For those who want this gem, the can buy it now for US $ 91,177.00. A bargain I would say. (Item number 120823216522).
December 6th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
From the good folks at NPR’s “Fresh Air” program-a rebroadcast of a 2006 interview with Paul Motian. He talks about his years with Bill Evans,why he left,which of their albums was his favorite,playing with Monk and much more. Great listening!
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/02/143002755/fresh-air-remembers-jazz-drummer-paul-motian
December 5th, 2011 at 6:50 am
Henry thanks for the Heads Up, a nice bit of diggin is in order.
Regards
Adamski
December 5th, 2011 at 5:43 am
Update the post with the correct image url. Click the image to see the URL.
December 3rd, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Thanks for the advice and links. I was going to attach a list but I don’t see an attachment option. I’ll check out the links and see what I can find. I never realized how little I knew about Jazz.
Thanks again for the help.
December 3rd, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Hi MD,
you can look at these websites for dates,some labels and some covers.
1.-
http://33rev.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=68
2.- http://www.birkajazz.com/archive/Candid.htm
3.-http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Labels/index.html
4.-http://www.jazzdisco.org/
thanks
rockies
December 3rd, 2011 at 6:39 am
Hi MD. Looks like you very lucky. I would be curious about these records.
Anyways. It depends on the recordlabels. If you may have some Blue Note records, a good investment would be the book by Fred Cohen,how to identify first pressings. For labels like Prestige, Riverside an so on, you may be lucky to look for some labelographys on the internet.
Otherwise, there are a lot of experts here, that will gladly help. Maybe you should tell us, what record labels you have and we can delve deeper!?
December 2nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Greetings all. First visit here and am looking for advice on how to research some Jazz albums I’ve recently come across. I’ve been collecting vinyl for 20+ years but have mostly collected 60′s & 70′s classic rock. I came across several Jazz albums from the 50′s and was hoping for suggestions on how to research and authenticate them. Any suggestions are most appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
December 2nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Adamski: I had good luck for jazz records at A-1 Records, Academy Records, and Good Records in the East Village
December 2nd, 2011 at 10:36 am
I have curtis fuller bone and bari blue note 1572. The cover is taped along two edges and has a blue stamp that says for promotion. How much does that affect the value?
December 2nd, 2011 at 6:23 am
As beautiful as these reissues look, they are a very useful to hand on a plate for cheating (Sorry if my english may be wrong!).
December 1st, 2011 at 10:08 pm
maartenkools,
I see two problems with that reissue series, they list 1577 as “flat-edge” and 4195 as “deep-groove” which were features that were gone by the time these were released. Maybe it was just a typo as they seem pretty intense on the details.
December 1st, 2011 at 4:58 pm
thanks BigBear
December 1st, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Per Fred Cohen’s book, BN 4200-4226 have P / earmarks except: 4203,4204,4206,4209,4212,4213,4215,4217,4218,4219,4222. 4226 is last one with P / earmark.
December 1st, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Maarten, for those who don’t have the originals, this series looks to be the answer. For those buying originals only, life becomes more difficult. How to distinguish the real from the facsimile?
December 1st, 2011 at 11:43 am
bought a original “contours” -Sam Rivers, Grrreat album, but does somebody know when they stopped with the “P” in the run-out.. i thought there were some 4200 series BN’s that have a ear..?
December 1st, 2011 at 9:34 am
for hose of you who are intrested in beautifull BN reisue series, i didn’t knew about this series yet, looks beautifull.. These are the most exact replicas i have ever seen.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLUE-NOTE-Premium-Vinyl-Reissue-Series-5LP-SET-MASTER-TAPES-JAPAN-/250935904455?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a6cf208c7#ht_5723wt_1165
November 30th, 2011 at 2:08 am
Tom: start buying the Album Price guide of Goldmine. Not for the prices, but to know about grading, label variations etc.
Look how experienced sellers operate (Euclid, JazzRecordCenter and a certain BobDjukic) and create your style.
Good luck.
November 28th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Hello jazz collectors I’m looking for some one with a large jazz record collection that includes rare pressings etc to take part in a book I am working on about record collectors. If your interested in more info email me at
Radvinylthebook@gmail.com
Thanks
Ross
November 28th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Hi
im off to New York In January, any clues on where I could do some diggin for some Jazz Records.
If the wife lets me!!!!
Many Thanks
November 24th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Yes, that’s sad news. He was an original drummer from the ground up.
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:21 pm
The news reports the passing of a great drummer-Paul Motian.
November 20th, 2011 at 4:28 am
I gave Gixen sniper two other chances on non-essential items. It worked out fine.
November 18th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
keep watching Monk when Charlie rouse starts playing… GENIUS!! ….. ! What a band, what a song, what a perfomance…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKvVKsJ8sk4
November 16th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
This is too great not to share
A record playing bicycle!
November 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
What about Bidnip? I’ve used many times for a while and it always worked great for me.
November 15th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
thank you soga57. I will try them out.
November 15th, 2011 at 9:18 am
To Rudolf: Why don’t you just use auctionsniper.com? I’ve been using it for years and never ever had any problem. Regards. soga
November 14th, 2011 at 4:20 am
MATTYMAN: I tried out the GIXEN sniper on two occasions:
the first time the record sold for an amount higher than my maximum, which is normal. The second time it sold for half my maximum. Comment by Gixen: either buyer ended sale early or “our bid came too late”. In the sales history there was no early ending. The record was just sold. So it is the second case.
So now my question. Are the Gixen guys reliable. What is your experience? On how many succesful bids approximately? Thanks in anticipation.
November 12th, 2011 at 3:49 am
Daer ‘MAARTENKOOLS’ if you want ..please give a ‘look’ to my Video-’collections’ of Ella Fitzgerald, just in case there concerts of your interest.
Thanks, Ciao fabio Italy,, Roma-
—> e-mails f.baglioni@yahoo.it
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-754.2-Japan,, tv-studio’’Show’’.+..big band,,.+.ROY ELDRIGE.tr,, ..’short+cut)-1964- t.11’.b.w..
November 11th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
If you’re in the NYC area this weekend,there’s a rare appearance by west-coast based Freddie Redd(!) at Smalls. Catch him if you can!
http://beta.asoundstrategy.com/smalls/index.cfm
November 10th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Thank you! I’m still sceptic
November 9th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
that is good news Katharsis, congratulations!
November 9th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Dear Rudolf, thank you very much for your answer, highly appreciated. My record doesn’t show any markings for VSOP, which made me wonder. Looks like I got extremely lucky?!
November 9th, 2011 at 3:06 am
Katharsis: I have only two VSOP albums (the two of Elmo Hope ex Celebrity and Beacon). Both have a discrete V.S.O.P. stamp on the rear of the sleeve saying Replica edition Phonorecords and a VSOP-.. number (mine are 2 and 3). This VOSP mark is also in miniature on the labels. Moreover the VSOP catalogue number is hand-etched in the dead wax.
So, if you don’t have these markings, you have an original. Let me know.
November 8th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
hi Sarah, normaly video’s or dvd’s aren;t collectors items, and not worth that much money, unless it is like a private concert recording.
I do like to know what year the concert was , side musicians, playlist etc..
November 8th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Dear Miss Sara, I wopuld like to have (‘few’)more informactions of the Live Video concert of Ella Fitzgerald ..”in your hands”.
-1-names of the sidemen(Musicians),,-2- year of the concert,,-3-’color,,or ‘b.&.w’,,-4- how long is the concert,,-5- the ‘general’ quality of the video.. Please, if you can answer, write me
..here—> f.baglioni@yhaoo.it
Many thanks(Grazie Mille) for all your ‘help’.. Ciao fabio,, Italy, Roma.
November 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Maybe this is best suited here:
I grabbed a copy of JR Monterose’s “In Action” today and I was wondering how I could tell, if it’s a first pressing or the later VSOP-Reissue.
Does anyone have any clue, how they differ?
Any help is appreciated!
November 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Rudolf once again to the rescue!
Thanks a million-
Dan
November 6th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Hi, I am new to this site but would like a reader opinion. I have the only copy of Ella Fitzgerald live in Melbourne Australia on video (It’s a funny story of how I came about it)… and I wanted to know how to go about having it valued. Does it have value? Also, should I put it on DVD?
Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.
November 6th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
“Charlie Christian,Diz and Monk at Mintons”? Jerry Newman and his portable recorder? Boris Rose? Danny Serro? Mere amateurs. This is one ‘boot’ by the “Prez” that even THEY could not have imagined.
Come to think of it,that’s probably a good thing…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-CENT-CD-Jam-Sessions-Pres-Blows-Bill-Clinton-/220884229755?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item336db9de7b
November 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
WOW!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkGStgRfuxI&feature=related
(with clifford jordan)
November 4th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Rudolf, thank you so much for the info, I was able to find a few copies of ES-548 on eBay.
November 4th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Aaron: these recordings were made by Jerry Newman with a portable recording machine.
I listened to my NM copy of ES-548: the Charley Christian sides (5 in total) are very good fidelity. The electric guitar is neat and very well recorded. The two Dizzy Gillespie sides (Stardust and Kerouac) are of lesser sound quality. I really enjoyed rediscovering Charley Christian.
On the red label it reads: Counterpoint Recordings (with logo) and then Esoteric Records – New York City.
November 4th, 2011 at 3:26 am
Aaron: it is Esoteric ES-548. It came out on budget labels in the UK, which may be easier to find. If you give me your e-mail adress I can send you a picture of the sleeve of this 1957 gem. I did not listen to it for ages. I will listen to it tonight and give you my impressions.
November 3rd, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Jan,
My copy is in VG+ condition with constant light background noise that sounds like it could have been from a 78.
Rudolph,
Do you have a catalog number or a link to a picture of the 12″ with this material? I’d love to hear the other tunes!
October 31st, 2011 at 4:41 pm
My copy is black too, great music.
My copy looks mint but has a lot of crackles. I wonder if it the pressing or if the tunes were copied from 78 s. How does your copy sound ?
October 31st, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Aaron: Esoteric Counterpoint issued in 1957 a 12″ album with the Christian material ( five numbers) and two by Dizzy with the house band at Monroe’s. I have seen the 10″ you are referring to, it was in black vinyl. Vogue (France) issued the 10 incher for distribution in France and Belgium.
October 31st, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Dan: it is (French) Vogue LD 036, which was issued in the US by Roost (10″) RLP 405.
October 30th, 2011 at 2:11 am
I just picked up a Charlie (spelled Charley on the jacket & label) Christian 10″ called “Jazz Immortal” on Esoteric ESJ-1. It’s a great session with Monk on piano (Joe Guy – Trumpet, Kenny Clark – Drums, Nick Finton – Bass) and the only reference I could find has this on red vinyl yet my copy is on black vinyl. Does anyone have insight on this record?
October 29th, 2011 at 6:09 am
i think we are all waiting here for the wise words of the Vogue expert in our mids: Rudolf:)
October 27th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Which James Moody French Vogue 10″ from ’51 produced the “This Is Always” King Pleasure solo?
It wasn’t Vogue LD 018
same as Blue Note-5005-
Also, did that vogue ever see American pressing?
Thanks-
October 13th, 2011 at 9:03 am
I have an immaculate copy of Kenny Dorham’s; Quiet Kenny.. it’s a promo, NM condition on the record, VG++/NM on the sleeve. I’ve been toying with selling it on Ebay as I don’t play it, I don’t look at it.. it sits on my shelf and gathers dust.
I’m a Blue Note guy personally, and would consider trades, I’m looking mostly for 1500s or something from the 4000s.
If anyone is interested you can e-mail me at robbins.aj@gmail.com
If I’m breaking some sort of rule here I apologize.
October 10th, 2011 at 4:34 am
prices out of market i.e. seller out of market: anyone wanting my mint 4040 for $ 2500?
October 10th, 2011 at 2:42 am
colossus3 relisted the Freddie Hubbard BLP 4040 with a buy it now price of $ 2500.
October 9th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
some items which I followed closed this weekend:
Jubilee 1070- Joe Puma with Bill Evans (orig. blue label). Sold for $ 1.00 (one dollar);
Blue Note 1539- Silver Lex. Buy it now price ($ 3000) or best offer. Item unsold, reserve not met at $ 775.55.
Blue Note 4040- Hubbard orig. ditto $ 5000, resp. $ 876. Unsold, reserve not met.
The seller of the latter two is “colossus3″, who claims to have had a first pick out of Leon Leavitt’s collection.
October 4th, 2011 at 11:19 am
today i saw Moanin (BN4003) by Art Blakey: side 1 DG, 47 west adres, side”2″ non-DG 47 west but with the label of side one also..?? so 2x side 1… (music is complete)… anyone else ever seen 2 times side 1 or 2 on one album?
Didn’t buy it (he wanted $75 for it.)
Instead bought Bone & Bari (BN1572)
United Artist label, but i always like them, thick cardboard covers, original cover and numbers and Mono!
October 2nd, 2011 at 4:11 pm
plasticine = a brand of modelling clay, a putty-like modelling material made from calcium salts, petroleum jelly and aliphatic acids…
Basically the seller doesn’t know what he is talking about.
October 2nd, 2011 at 7:33 am
Cazoon — A dream come true. Congratulations.
October 2nd, 2011 at 4:26 am
it’s a joke: pronounce is special!
the record is right.
Cazoon: you just founded the JRSA, Jazz Record Salvation Army.
Well done!
October 1st, 2011 at 11:20 pm
*A VINYL TRAGEDY or was it?*
Earlier today, a friend of mine, who owns some commercial property, gives me a call and says one of his tenants just moved out and there’s a big box of records in the garbage. He starts going through them over the phone: Miles Davis, John Coltrane. Before he could get any further, I tell him I’m on my way. I thinking, who the hell throws anything from these artists into the trash? I’m thinking score! When I get there, I start fingering through them and notice the covers are sticking together, revealing water damage. Damn! Now on to the inside. To my joy, the records where a little damp, but in perfect shape, labels cleans and dry… Hope you fellow vinyl addicts can appreciate this. I scooped them up and began surgery. I spent the next 3 hours drying off records, and salvaging what I could of the covers. There were about 40 keepers. Vinyl condition very good, covers poor. Let’s not forget FREE! Some of the gems in the lot.
*Charles Mingus- The Clown- Black Label
*Miles Davis- Round About Midnight- 6eye
*Miles Davis- Kind of Blue- 6eye
*Don Cherry- Where is Brooklyn
*Ornette Coleman- Something Else- Contemporary
*Coltrane- Giant Steps- Bullseye
…and many other albums from Elvin Jones, Alice Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Cannonball Adderley, Pharoah Sanders.
October 1st, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Tony: (ref. Princeton record exchange) what do you mean by this “plasticyne” version? Mine is identical, I guess. What is so special about it?
October 1st, 2011 at 9:23 am
Lander: interesting article indeed. I just came back from a trip to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea where an annual jazz festival is held in Koktebel, not far from Yalta. The Eastern European scene is worth exploring.
October 1st, 2011 at 4:56 am
Anybody here into Eastern European jazz? I wrote an article about Modern jazz in Czechoslovakia recently. You can read and listen to some selections here: http://www.laid-back.be/blog/?p=4463
September 29th, 2011 at 4:30 am
Anyone come across the special ‘plastycine’ version of 1568:?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD02PITPer4
September 24th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
thanks ceedee, I usually don’t buy promos and my stereo is mint, but…..
September 24th, 2011 at 4:59 am
To dottorjazz,re:FREE JAZZ/Ornette
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-MONO-Atlantic-white-label-PROMO-LP-Ornette-Colemans-FREE-JAZZ-NM-/220860723060?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item336c532f74
If you go for it,good luck!
September 23rd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
I’m a mono addict but sadly I’ve the stereo first pressing. I don’t think stereo is important here ’cause soloists are quite different and easily recognizable.
On the left channel you have Coleman, Cherry, LaFaro and Higgins, on the right you have Dolphy, Hubbard, Haden and Blackwell.
Anyway I’m still looking for the mono first.
September 23rd, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Mike,re:”Whistle Stop”-the “rechanneled for stereo” lp is what I’ve been listening to for many years. I’ve always been annoyed by it’s ‘hole in the middle’ effect,so prevalent in the early steer-ree-oh! days. It definitely has the scent of’fake’ about it,so..”beware,brother,beware”!Grab the mono lp if you can.
On the other hand,Larry Young’s UNITY is one of the best recorded stereo lps I’ve heard-though from a later period. So,who knows?
September 21st, 2011 at 3:18 am
Hallo everybody. I´m new here. I´d like to buy Ornette Coleman? Free Jazz ATL 1364, but only option (except recent reissues) I found is original mono version for quite high price. Does anybody here own this record? I doubt, if especially this double quartet thing is listenable in mono format. Thank you for your oppinions.
September 16th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
4217, New York both, Vangelder, NO P
September 16th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Aaron, I played my Whistle Stop yesterday. It is a Liberty stereo pressing. I remembered your comment. On the top right hand back corner of the cover it says that it has be electronically re-channeled to Stereo. I don’t think this is actually true as that session was most likely recorded in Stereo, so I guess this may be some marketing nonsense? I don’t know.
September 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
bought a copy of Compulsion/andrew hill today.
Mono, van gelder, but with on side 1 Liberty label and side 2 New York label… never knew those labels where used at the same time.It has the 27 years Blue Note insert, so i’ts the same year as the original…..
i guess the original had both sides New York label,(and ear?)….?
September 13th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Oh,oh..here we GO!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANK-MOBLEY-Blue-Note-1568-MONO-DEEP-GROOVE-ORIG-NM-unplayed-condition-/280738973706?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item415d58c80a
September 6th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Not to mention he calls the stereo version “ELECTRONICALLY RECHANELLED” which is not correct, it is true stereo and it is from this stereo tape that the mono fold-down comes from.
September 6th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
RE:Bob DJ-here’s another “very rare” and “ultra rare” copy of a “very early pressing” by Kenny Dorham. Hmm-could be the time to have a “doubles” fire sale…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KENNY-DORHAM-WHISTLE-STOP-ULTRA-RARE-BLUE-NOTE-MONO-LP-/160639806573?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2566e0ec6d
September 5th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
and could you please Delorean us with the Blue Note release dates in your mag?
thanks
September 5th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Found a copy of “Jazz ‘N Pops” from April 1959 listing all the new release and LPs available.
Not that there was ever any doubt, but I was able to spot check against Fred Cohen’s release dates in the BN Guide for the new releases that month.
Now if I can only get Doc Brown’s time traveling DeLorean to work.
September 3rd, 2011 at 12:42 pm
….Fingers crossed on grading…
September 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Thanks Terry, Mike and Jan for your help with mono cartridge. Might have to wait on a cartridge since I won a few auctions from the seller CeeDee referenced. Fingers crossed on gra
September 1st, 2011 at 9:23 am
You may not have seen this list-with lots of goodies-and may want to bid. I’m tapped out this month(as usual)and won’t be competing.Not much time left,though!
http://www.ebay.com/sch/hogray/m.html?_trkparms=65%253A10%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1&rt=nc&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=3
August 30th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Sonny’s Birthday show
Check out a stream of Sonny’s 80th with Ornette as a guest HERE.
This show is going to be released soon but they are streaming it for a few weeks. I dug it.
August 29th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
I have got an ortofon mono spu cartridge, it really improves the sound quality especially of the 10 inch records in my collection.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Big Bear, i had been using a Sumiko Blackbird which I like but wanted to get a Mono Cartridge. After reading a lot I with the Miyajima Mono Premium BE due to the excellent reviews and the 7-day money back guarantee. By the third day I had no thoughts of sending it back. In the next year I will be upgrading my stereo cart and will strongly consider the Celebration and the Miyajima stereo carts. The Miyajima mono sounds substantially better than the blackbird on mono records(pre 65 jazz). It brings out a little more bass, but the big thing is that it is a good deal quieter allowing one to pick up details that weren’t resolved previously. I strongly recommend it.
August 29th, 2011 at 8:36 am
BigBear:
Try
pfanstiehl.com
They make replacement cartridges and needles for just about everything and have always been very good at answering questions.
August 28th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
I am thinking of getting a mono cartridge as my collection of mono jazz records is now of sufficent size. My turntable is a VPI Superscoutmaster and I have a second armwand for my SSM. I have an Airtight Pc-1 and Sumiko Pearwood Celebration stereo cartridges with a an alltube system.
I understand that there are different types of mono cartridges..different stylus shapes and sizes, etc. Some that are built for mono some that are just quick adjustments from stereo cartridges. I’d like to optimize the sound for pre ’65 jazz…Any suggestions?
PS – I know that equipment is rarely discussed here but need advice on what will work best with vintage Blue Notes, and figured this group would be much more attuned to these issues than an equip focused forum.
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 pm
laugh ? in Greece almost no one is laughin’ now.
and for respect I suggest this seller to offer an Intro of the same record.
maybe a couple of grand would be ok for me.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
For those of you who are in need of a good laugh,I offer the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Art-Pepper-Quartet-Modern-Art-DG-LP-/370536892418?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5645b84802
August 16th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Michael P,
I’m willing to bet the copies of Lush Life with “John Coltrane” in light blue are the earlier pressings as I see the later blue trident label pressings have his name in white. Any difference in deadwax markings between your copies?
August 16th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Hi gentlemen,
I was visiting SF last week and I hit a kiosque who was selling coasters ,clocks and bowls made of actual lps.
I personnaly bought a few Jazz coasters and a clock for a friend.
If you are nostalgic about throwing away one of your favorite lp fulfilled of scratches and you would like to perpetue the good memories ; please find attached the website in order to provide a second life to your lp
http://www.brennanscrafts.com
Enjoy the visit. The owners are very friendly and provide excellent service .thanks
August 15th, 2011 at 5:52 am
I have recently picked up copies of John Coltranes ‘Lush Life’. I noticed that John Coltrane on the cover is in different colors. Two of them have original inner sleeves. One with an onion skin sleeve has Coltrane in a deep light blue. The one with the advertising inner sleeve ending with 7190 has Coltrane in white. Yet another copy no inner sleeve has Coltrane in a lighter blue. The first two seem to be indicative of first pressings with sleeves corresponding to the era. I imagine the onion skin would be first. Can anyone help with this?
August 12th, 2011 at 6:30 am
dottore/Michael: thanks for the info. Interesting for me regarding the Tommy Potter album, I may have same or similar on Nixa. Have one MetronomeEP by Tommy too.
August 12th, 2011 at 6:08 am
Rudolph, Jazzdisco.org also has the discography. They have a list of those on the sessions and dates also.
August 12th, 2011 at 2:43 am
I’ve some trouble in posting here, sorry if it comes double: Rudolf find here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Records
August 12th, 2011 at 1:41 am
does anyone have info on the East West label? It is a subsidiary of Atlantic. In its presentation not a budget label at all. I have two albums on this label:
the Prestigiditator, George Wallington quintet with J.R. Monterose and Lars Gullin qrt, qnt, sextet, octet, band (Metronome masters).
The catalogue numbers are 4003 and 4004.
My question is what were the other issues on East West?.
ATCO is a similar case, but this is a pop label with one notable exception:
the 1959 Herb Geller date with Thad, Hank and Elvin Jones plus Scott Lafaro on bass. An exciting group.
I have a catalogue of this label.
August 10th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Hi Aaron,
Thanks so much for the info. and link! I found my copy at a record shop in upstate NY for only $13. I thought it must’ve been a reissue due to the lack of deep grooves. Thanks again.
August 10th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Bill,
The Bill Evans Moonbeams is an early pressing made between 1962-63. See this Riverside labelography at the bottom:
http://33rev.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=68
August 10th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
I try again:
here
http://www.epinions.com/prices/Book_Somethin_Else_Ashley_Kahn/display_~latest_prices/pp_~1/sort_~avg_rating/sort_dir_~asc/sec_~wtb
August 10th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Any ideas ??
http://www.amazon.com/Somethin-Else-Story-Records-Modern/dp/0670020664/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1313002641&sr=8-5
August 10th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Hi all,
I recently found a mono pressing of Bill Evans’ ‘Moonbeams.’ Its catalog number is RLP 428. The cover looks old, has no bar code, and there is a bb hole through the middle of the cover (and also through the label). It is on the blue, Riverside, “microgroove” label with the two reels on top. It has hand written matrix numbers with -A at the end. However, the vinyl feels kind of light for a sixties pressing. I do not have a lot of Riverside LPs with which to compare it, though. Also, the album has no deep grooves.
I was wondering if anyone could help me identify when the album might have been pressed. It looks a lot like the album in this auction: http://www.popsike.com/BILL-EVANS-TRIO-MOONBEAMS-LP-MICROGROOVE-RIVERSIDE/190520204243.html Could it be a 1970′s mono reissue, or do you think it is an original pressing? Identifying Riverside pressings seems almost as daughnting as identifying Blue Notes! Thank you for your help.
August 3rd, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Question regarding early Verve STEREO labels, does anyone know which came earlier, the one with (((STEREOPHONIC))) going all the way to the edge of the label or the one that stops before the edge?
August 1st, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Prestige 7139. Red Garland “Manteca”. This album in E+/NM condition and a NYC pressing recently sold for $ 167.50.
July 31st, 2011 at 8:17 am
Hi Aaron
Thank you.
Best
John
July 30th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
E/T is from 1959
O/T is from 1961
July 30th, 2011 at 9:27 am
KIND OF BLUE FONTANA addendum
#1 has E/T tax code embossed on the label
#2 has O/T tax code embossed on the label
July 30th, 2011 at 9:14 am
I meant to say the question marks (?) are upside down traingles.
July 30th, 2011 at 8:09 am
John: this Swingville is a re-edition of Prestige 7153.
When Prestige started its budget label STATUS, they sometimes used old stocks of Prestige, New Jazz etc, just putting a sticker on the cover. If they had original labels, they were in general pressed without DG.
July 29th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Folks, I have a Hal Singer album
“Blue Stompin’” from a company that has a stick-on overlay marked “Status”. The record says “Swingsville”, and the address at the bottom of the back cover is obviously from Prestige. Does anybody know anything about this?
July 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Thank you very much Rudolph!
July 28th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Lander: Paris Jam Session (Art Blakey on Fontana). The original Dutch issue has a silver/black label; the original French issue has a green label.
The original issue of the three live recordings on RCA of the late 1958 Jazz Messengers had black labels. A particular kind which is difficult to describe, the same as the original 25 cm. album design. Later labels were also black or maybe yellow. The yellow ones having the same layout as the first black. Later black labels had a different design.
The date of issue is printed on the rear of the sleeve at the bottom, first the month thereafter the year, e.g. 11.63 preceded by the name of the printer.
Each volume has another colour on top, blue, white, red, the French tricolor.
July 28th, 2011 at 1:34 am
John,
Can you post the complete deadwax stampings on both copies, even the small letters or numbers away from the main number? Often that is a good way of determining the earlier pressing.
July 26th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
KIND OF BLUE – FONTANA PUZZLE
I have two original UK Fontana pressings of Kind Of Blue (TFL 5072) and was hoping someone could tell me which was manufactured first.
#1 – Has Kind Of Blue in purple letters on front. Product of Philips printed on bottom left of back cover. The sides are not denoted on the labels and the LP title is below the hole. See image:
http://s1109.photobucket.com/albums/h429/disc78/?action=view¤t=KindOfBlueFontanaUK1.jpg
#2 – Has Kind Of Blue in blue letters on front. No Philips credit on back cover. Side 1 and Side 2 are printed on the labels and the LP title is above the hole. See image:
http://s1109.photobucket.com/albums/h429/disc78/?action=view¤t=KindOfBlueFontanaUK2.jpg
I’m guessing they were manufactured consecutively but I’d be very interested to know which was first.
July 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 am
Are there any readers here who have some knowledge on the following records:
- Art Blakey et les Jazz Messengers au Club St. Germain, vol. 1-3 (French RCA). I’ve had volume 2 with a black label and with a yellow label, both French pressings. Now I have Vol. 1, also French RCA, the label is also black, but different than the vol. 2. The sleeve has a blue border at the top, but there is also a Vol.1 with a white border at the top on Popsike… Which are the first pressings from this series?
- Art Blakey – Paris Jam Session Lp (Fontana). I have this as a dutch pressing with a black & silver label. On Popsike, there is one with the same looking label, but the seller described this as french, while the other french pressings on Popsike all appear to have a green label… Anybody knows which one is the original?
July 21st, 2011 at 3:11 pm
blue note illustrated, edition 3A
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MBN2JZ7V
July 15th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
I’m sorry about that, I’m gonna correct after weekend.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Dottorjazz great guide !
Seems to be almost complete.
What catalogue numbers are missing ?
July 15th, 2011 at 10:25 am
dottorjazz: very nice guide! Some of the pages seem to have reflowed though with images and text out of place towards the middle/end…
July 15th, 2011 at 6:14 am
Thanks dotorjazz. I will see if I have anything you are missing.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:40 am
BLUE NOTE ILLUSTRATED, online the updated release
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3VTPPGYJ
Tony, you’ll find both covers of 4109
collectors and friends: please help me to complete !
next month will be one whole year of working on it.
thanks to contributors.
July 10th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Ha, ha, ha
July 10th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
It really DID sound so !
July 10th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Although my previous post might sound as though I am having a bit of a “blond” moment, I should clarify that I always thought the hit single reference referred to the track on the LP rather than the LP containing a separate EP inside….
July 9th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Interesting, are you saying that originally LP copies with the hit single on the label actually included a copy of the the single (EP) inside?
July 9th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
I think I remember that a few month ago a copy that included the single was sold by jazz record center.
Maybe Fred Cohen has got some additional information.
July 9th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Thanks. That makes sense. As I presume the hit single was a later development after initial release…
July 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
4109, mono, no sticker, at least as first pressing.
the record sold a lot and maybe there are NYC mono “later” copies with addition.
sorry for stereo info: strictly mono addict.
July 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
I have a couple of Blue Note questions if anyone out there can help:
Anyone know if (8)4109 originally came with the “contains the hit single watermelon man” sticker on the cover, or if this was a later addition?
Also, has anyone come across a copy of this with the gold Stereo label in the upper left corner (which I presume is definitely a later copy…)?
July 1st, 2011 at 7:45 am
not even an EP, strictly single play: one (short) song each side.
July 1st, 2011 at 7:41 am
dottore: “8001″ for an EP. So we are not the only fools on earth.
June 30th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
ended after 33 bids for $ 8,001.00
can’t comment this.
June 28th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Dottore: you are most kind and I even feel flattered. When you are talking about ‘THE MASTER’, you remind me of an old acquaintance of mine who lived in Amsterdam under the nom de guerre “maitre de disques”. As a matter of fact, he was a Master in laws, LLM and he amassed a huge collection of fiftiesjazz. He passed away a couple of years ago and his collection was sold by bits and pieces through the well known Amsterdam retail shop “Concerto”, well known to Maarten and Mattyman.
The 45 rpm story is amazing. Please keep us posted.
greetings from Savoia, Rudolf
June 28th, 2011 at 6:52 am
we left from an obscure pop 7″ 45 rpm to end with the whole body of Prestige 12″ 16 rpm.
Quite a long way: still uncompleted, this 45 is over $ 7100,00. For the same price we can easily have all 6 Prestige, saving enough for a very rare Blue Note.
This is freedom.
What we all have learned is that if we have a question, THE MASTER is going to reply.
Thanks Rudolf.
June 28th, 2011 at 4:14 am
dottore: by definition you are right. What sense does it make to have a record you cannot listen to? For that reason I bought my Lenco turntable, to justify keeping the six Prestige 16 rpm albums.
By the way, the Trombone by Three album, Prestige 16-4, which adds absolutely nothing in terms of original sessions, but with a Andy Warhol cover, went lately for $ 809 when sold by sweedeedee and over 1400 when sold by Euclid.
Only Prestige 16-5 and 16-6 gave birth to new, original sessions, to be issued later on 33 rpm.
16-5 was by George Wallington – Phil Woods – Donald Byrd – Red Garland (Sugan NJ 8304 and N.Y. Scene NJ 8207).
June 27th, 2011 at 9:50 am
what about this definition ?
extremely rare item, amazing art cover containing good music at diabolical speed.
Rare IS rare, cover IS great, music IS good, playability is VERY DIFFICULT.
= low price for rare item
who’s wrong ?
June 27th, 2011 at 9:25 am
dottore: as a matter of fact these two sessions were led by Teddy Charles. The 16 rpm has lovely art work.
Of course, for practical reasons I am normally playing my “Dakar” copy.
You wouldn’t believe it, but I bought a Lenco turntable (78/45/33/16 rpm) for just 50 francs, just to play my six Prestige 16 rpm albums. The sound of the 33 rpm versions is better by the way. But the art work of the 16 rpm series is just gorgeous (i.a. one Andy Warhol).
June 27th, 2011 at 8:51 am
PRLP 16-6 Pepper Adams/Cecil Payne/Julius Watkins/Dave Amram – Modern Jazz Survey – Baritones And French Horns
John Coltrane (ts) Pepper Adams, Cecil Payne (bars) Mal Waldron (p) Doug Watkins (b) Art Taylor (d)
Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Hackensack, NJ, April 20, 1957
1208 Dakar
1209 Mary’s Blues
1210 Route 4
1211 Velvet Scene
1212 Witches Pit
1213 The Cat Walk
Curtis Fuller (tb) Dave Amram, Julius Watkins (frh) Sahib Shihab (as) Hampton Hawes (p -1/3,5,6) Teddy Charles (p -4) Addison Farmer (b) Jerry Segal (d)
Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Hackensack, NJ, May 18, 1957
1. 1276 Ronnie’s Tune
2. 1277 Roc And Troll
3. 1278 A-Drift
4. 1279 Lyriste
5. 1280 Five Spot
6. 1281 No Crooks
** same contents as Prestige PRLP 7280 + Status ST 8305.
two different sessions published on regular 12″ 33 1/3 rpm.
I have never seen nor searched for this 16 rpm.
It’s a real oddity and I couldn’t play it.
I’m a Trane fan but this item is not in my interests.
I owe Dakar of course, but this is really rare.
June 27th, 2011 at 7:49 am
followed an item which can be described easily as one of the rarest Coltrane albums: the 16 RPM Prestige Baritones & French Horns. The seller had a presentation inspired by our friend Bob.
Vide: “John Coltrane’s rarest LP” under finished items. It only went for just over 100 dollars!
June 27th, 2011 at 2:46 am
ANGELIC= good music in rare record
DIABOLICAL= bad music in rare record
I prefer the former but others prefer the latter.
Differences in preference for music is the same than for women.
And it’s very GOOD we don’t like the same one.
June 26th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Dottorjazz,Re:that 45 on Shrine. I think someone spending that kind of $$$ for such a record must be thinking of building an ACTUAL shrine,perhaps topped by the disc,in a Xmas-tree like fashion. Maybe with bundles of 100 dollar bills around the base(so much classier than that fake snow). “FUGGITABOUTIT!!!”
June 26th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Dotterjazz,
The Shrine label was a small Texas label {I believe} that only had a handful of releases. All of them were in quantities of less than 500. Most have not survived, especially in this condition. They rarely come up for sale, thus demanding very high prices. I would expect this particular item to top $10K.
June 25th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Somethin’ different
I’m not a pop-rock market expert, but 25 bids with more to go for this 45 on Shrine by J.D.Bryant beats all our jazz champions: please listen to 2’30″ of this pop song: how many times would you listen to it again ?
And how many times have you listened to Strange Fruit or Lover Man ?
songs, only songs: some make me cry, the other……
http://cgi.ebay.com/J-D-BRYANT-RARE-NORTHERN-SOUL-45-SHRINE-108-Hear-/360374940640?_trksid=p4340.m8&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D902753359042038958#ht_780wt_907
June 25th, 2011 at 6:33 am
Recieved my copy of Fred Cohen’s Blue note book the other day. What a lovely book! Thanks Fred.
June 20th, 2011 at 9:56 am
I am glad to hear I am not the only one in the Jazz Collective who wonders about these things maarten !
I can tell you for certain that the cover of ‘Byrd in Hand’ was taken just outside the main door of RVG’s current studio.
Many of the album cover photos were also taken from inside RVG’s first studio at his parents home,(you can see the venetian blinds on the window in the background) or often outside in the neighborhood somewhere… Most likely as seen in “The Whims of Chambers, It Might As Well Be Spring, Blues Walk etc.
I also like the ones taken from inside the new RVG studio like Blue Hour (Stanley Turrentine with The Three Sounds)…
-That photo for Cool Struttin’ is such a classic as well ! It has that “Mad Men” vibe to it.
- Bennie Green’s ‘Back on the Scene’ looks a bit like Union Square, but I could be way off !
-Joe Henderson’s ‘Page One’ looks like the travertine exterior retaining wall of the Seagram Building plaza around 100 East 53rd St. to me… Check it out on the street view of Google Maps.
The rest are still a mystery…
June 20th, 2011 at 8:59 am
maarten kools: Unless I’m mistaken, the cover of The Magnificent Thad Jones was taken on Woodward Avenue in downtown Detroit.
June 19th, 2011 at 7:18 am
Don-Lucky: Great idea, i am wondering myself often where those exact locations are, .. some must be easy for those living in New York..
for example:-The Magnificent Thad Jones
– Whims of chambers (outside Rudy vGelders parrents house??)
-bennie green back on the scene
-cool stuttin’ (difficult one)
-byrd in hand (RVG studio??)
-goin’ Up (hubbard)
-it might as well be spring
-steppin’ out (harold vic)
-page one
-inventions and dimensions(hancock)
would be great if someone could shine a light on this…. make a new series of foto’s on those locations….
June 19th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Thanks Mike
June 18th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Cazoon, Two other sites I’ve looked at is called the record ranch and Bonanza. Record Ranch is strictly vinyl and memorabilia. Bonanza is anything you would see on ebay. The problem is that people don’t auction the best items there. But maybe you could find something you like. Good luck.
June 16th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
I was wondering if anyone knows of another auction site , besides ebay, that deals in vinyl? We seem to be always watching eBay auctions. I’m not a big fan of eBay. Thanks
June 14th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Excellent! Thanks for the info. Glad to have such a nice copy of the record. I’ll work on the pics.
June 14th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Does anyone else out there ever wonder where those famous Jazz album cover photos were taken ? Or perhaps if the locations still exist ? Every now and then I go looking myself, depending on the album I am listening to at the time… Here’s one that might interest some:
Remember the cover of Jimmy Smith’s Home Cookin’ on Blue Note 4050 ?
“…Kate’s Home Cooking was a luncheonette on 2355 8th Avenue in Harlem (FDB and West 126th Street)as one can see in the window sign of the album. Lore has it that because the restaurant was on the street closest to the back entrance of the Apollo Theater, all the bands used to drop by Kate’s after performing each night. The Unity Chapel which the same sign references is still there this day
but the charming eatery has long since been closed. The now defunct Harlem Fragrance (see web-link below for photos) had most recently inhabited the space…”
http://harlembespoke.blogspot.com/2009/07/remember-jimmy-smith-at-kates.html
Just a thought Al, but what do you think about starting a sub-section with links to all the locations used on Jazz album covers ?
June 14th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Hello All, I recently acquired several items from the estate of Jazz altoist Bud Shank. I am working on getting a complete list together. All of these items are from his personal collection, those items that were not given over to the Los Angeles Jazz Society, and obtained directly from his wife, Linda.
Included are:
- Approximately 45 Album LP’s from the 1950′s to 1980′s, half of which are his own LP’s, likely Promos.
- 22 signed Album Covers, most from the 50′s. A few, there are more than one.
- 5 signed Album Posters, Brasamba, Bazilliance Vol 2 & 3, and 2 Bossa Nova Jazz Samba.
- 4 Jazz books by William Claxton, Jazz West Coast, Jazz Seen, California Cool, and Jazz. Some with notes in them.
- A loose CD (found in his CD Player), possibly a Promo. titled, Bud Shank Quartet at the Jazz Bakery, Disk 6 1/31/2009. A couple months before his passing. Not sure what this is.
I’ll get the complete list soon. Email if interested. sandxssun@cox.net
Regards, Matt
June 14th, 2011 at 11:57 am
4080 is a controversial record, existing in different combinations of details.
Two are absolute: no deep groove and the presence of P (ear).
Then we have: W63i side one/ NYC side two
yours NYC side one/ W63i side two
These two combinations seem equal to me.
Cohen cites a double W63i, never seen, as anedoctal.
Then we have seen:double NYC, no deep groove;
W63i side one WITH deep groove/NYC side 2 and other later combinations.
I think that you can assume your copy as original, as happens with various numbers in the history of Blue Note.
June 14th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Sure, no problem, I will email you. That BN collection is great, thank you for doing that. On there it looks like 4080 is A: W.63rd B: NY USA, but mine is the other way around, A: NY USA B:W.63rd — still a first?
June 14th, 2011 at 3:15 am
Yes it is:you can find info about 4080 on my updated edition of “Blue Note illustrated” I have just published.
Everyone can download the latest version for free.
As I miss side 2 label, can you please send pics of both labels by mail ?
Thanks.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0ZVZM66M
June 13th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Hello–was hoping to get some help from the experts. I have aquired a copy of Hank Mobley Workout BLP 4080—Side 1 NY USA Side 2 W.63rd, no deepgroove, has RVG and “p”….is this a first pressing? I know it’s right when the label changed. Thanks for the help.
June 12th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
I’m going through your list right now and you’ve done an amzing job altogether with the helping hands.
I used to sell a BLP1511 some months ago and unfortuantely I didn’t take any photos, hence they are missing in the document. My pressing had a complete flat edge, if that’s helpful somehow.
June 11th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Thanks Lander: I’m gonna upload an updated version next week and will advise here.
There will be about a hundred more pics of original Blue Note first pressings as well as interesting variations around transition periods.
Sorry but I’m a mono addict, so no stereo labels.
Again I invite collectors to send me pics of missing labels or variants or better pics than mine.
My mail is back here, March 19.
My list has been downloaded 50 times by now: glad to be helpful to other collectors and friends.
June 11th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@dottorjazz: the Blue Note document you posted is great, thank you. I’ve sent you the missing label scans of Grant Green – Grant’s First Stand and Jimmy Smith – The Sermon through e-mail.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
I am looking for this Japan-Record.L.P, of pianist”JOE ALBANY,trio-&-solo..+..Frank Butler.drums=”The Church of the true”EMI-Odeon-EOP,88.141..L.P.)).
Please, if you can ‘help’ send me an e-mails fab.baglioni@tiscali.it
Well, my ‘main’ interests in Jazz is to ‘Collect’ Videos-Jazz-Live Concerts, I can send my ‘Videos-jazz”catalogues’ as -Attched’mails. Many of my Videos come from European-Jazz-Festivals,, TV-jazz’programs,, also from U.S.A’s-jazz-programs, and some from Japan-Jazz.TV.programs… Please, write me, and will replays to any ‘questions’..
–> This is only ‘one’Lists of live-Videos of ‘Cannonball Adderley’.s5t..9 so jut to give ‘YOU’ an ideas of all I have ‘collected’. Thanks, Ciao fabio -Italy.
Cannonball.ADDERLEY & NAT sax-trumpet
…my -e-mails- fab.baglioni@tiscali.it
..Quintet joe wawinul..p sam jones..cb louis hayes..drs
-8.111.3 – jazz.625-UK.tv-show 1 1963.bw.t.23
-310.5 – The jazz-casual u.s.a.tv-show 1 1961 bw t.29
-308.4 – Newport Jazz-festv u.s.a. 2 196.bw t.9
-315.3-.JAZZ-SHIP.‘NAXOS’-Grecia.TV-roy.mc.curdy.dr+walter booker.bss’70s-t.8’–.
-351.7-Monteray.-‘Play Misty For Me’.-nat.+roy.mc.curdy.+JOHNNY OTIS-blues-1971t.6-
-664.1-Budapest (Ungheria) live jazz-festv…+.nat..+..george duke.p.+.kys.+.walter booker.cb.+.roy.mc.curdy.dr…-1972- t.32’..-
Sextet. ..zawinul+jones+hayes+YUSEF LATEEF.sax-oboe-flutes. .
127.5 The jazz-scene-u.s.a..by-oscar brown.jr..’60s’.bw.t.26
-127.3 Geramny tv-show 1963.bw.t.32-
-226.3 tv-program Swiss(.Svizzera.) 1963.bw.t.21-
-310.4-Comblain-La-Tour ..live-Francia 1962..t.3’’-bw–
-332.1-Japan ..Tokyo .tv-studio..1963-bw .t.55-
-332.2-Stoccolma ..live..1963-bw-t.29–
-366.5-San Remo-(Italy)-RAI.tv’.DOC?..6xt..’.work song.’1963-t.4-bw-
-525.1-Swiss(Svizzera)-Lugano.+.cannon.+.nat.+.sam jones.+.louis hayes.drs.+.zawinul.+.yusef lateef..-1963-(intere-program-show)-b.w.-t.72’-
……..Other ..concerts-&-programs…
-310.2U.S.A’The subject is Jazz’ Billy Taylor+Billy Bauer.cht+Ed Thigpen.dr+1958bwT.29-
-310.3 Europen-Jam-+art farmer+zawinul+ron carter+mel lewis+j.j.johnson..1960.t.9-bw-
-597.2-Holland (Olanda)Tv’s-archives-Cannonball Adderley.sax.+.Pim Jacobs-4t..’60’sT.4’..-
.NAT ADDERLEY..tr ’.Cannonball.’ Legacy..5t.
-348.1-Kolhn.’.Subway.’.5t…vincent herring.sax. +.larry willis.p.+.walter booker.cb+jimmy cobb.dr .1989 t.55-
-348.2- Vienna(Austria) ..live ’.Kurshalle.’. 5t ..vincent herring.sax.+.larry willis.p.+.walter booker.cb.+.jimmy cobb.dr..1989..t.40—
-351.1-Berna.5t+harold land+cedar walton.+.richard davis.cb.+.roy.mc.curdy.dr.+..’guest’+j.j.johnson.tb..1987-t.21-
-353.6-Spagna.tv-program..4t+cedar walton.p+richard davis.cb.+.roy.mc.curdy.dr..1984- t.6–
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June 3rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
Mon plaisir, Rudolph. Always happy to help.
June 3rd, 2011 at 7:03 am
Vaughn: I just sold a collection of autographs, thanks to the gracious help of Al, to whom I still owe my sincere, but belated, thanks.
The autographs were mainly near the names of the artists on the concert programs (flyers) with corresponding dated newspaper reviews. The question of authenticity was never raised, but I sold the autographs with the reviews and pictures I had taken during the concerts. The whole set-up gave a solid impression of authenticity.
I think if you have circumstantial proof, you should not have a problem, especially if you are dealing with gentlemen of the non-suspicious kind.
Good luck!
June 2nd, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Does anyone know anything about authenticating autographs ? I have a John Coltrane autograph from his last public appearance in Baltimore (5/9/67) But there is always the issue of authenticity. I was there, I handed him the flyer from the Left Bank Jazz Society which sponsored the concert and he was gracious enough to sign it. That’s the provenance. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
May 31st, 2011 at 12:54 pm
OK. All sorted.
May 31st, 2011 at 10:24 am
That’s strange. Perhaps memorial Day holiday. I know I was off all day cooking and listening to music with friends. Did you try calling them today or are you international?
May 31st, 2011 at 10:00 am
Mike: I ordered a copy of Fred Cohens book via the Jazz Center’s eBay store but so far they have been impossible to contact… perhaps they are on holiday?
May 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Thanks Rudolf, that’s very helpful.
May 29th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Thanks for the input Rudolf.
May 29th, 2011 at 8:57 am
If you ever tuned into jazz radio in the 1970′s,you’d have a hard time not hearing several songs-”The Bottle”,”The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” and “Pieces Of A Man”. When performed by Gil Scott-Heron(who died a few days ago),they became memorable rants that could engage,enrage and inspire hope,all at the same time. His frustrating-and self-defeating-later years are painfully captured in this piece from 2010 for New York Magazine,with the apt title,”New York Is Killing Me”. RIP,Gil.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/09/100809fa_fact_wilkinson
May 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Katharsis:
my last full DG is # 8275.
May 28th, 2011 at 8:05 am
I agree with Rudolf. I myself would like to know, what pressing the last DG-pressing was. NJLP 8286 is the only one I see with one sided DG only. Maybe that was the last DG-pressing?!
May 28th, 2011 at 1:42 am
Henry, I think your assumption is right. These later NJ albums are usually without DG.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Thx Katharsis! One other NJ-related question: Anyone know if an original of Art Farmer’s “Evening in Casablanca” (NJ 8289) has a DG? I have a purple label with no DG, but every copy I’m seeing on popsike doesn’t have DG either. Is this one “new” enough to have an original without DG?
May 27th, 2011 at 7:08 am
@dottorjazz: I am very sorry, you may have misunderstood me. I meant the list, Londoncalling has made some weeks ago.
@Henry: Congratulations, the music on that LP is nice. You indeed have a 2nd (or maybe even 3rd) pressing. All NJ-LPs were released on the purple label. After that, there were some Status-pressings, which were a mixed bag. Combinations of original cover and orange-Status-label, Status sticker on cover and purple label and so on were common. But there were even some pressings with the blue label an trident with an NJLP-prefix on it. They are always later pressings.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Thanks Mike! Yes indeed, great album.
May 25th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Henry, that would be a later pressing. I’ve never seen that label on the Gryce but have on others. It’s not deep groove right? Mine is a purple label DG. Good album. I love Gryce, his records are usually not too too pricey either.
May 25th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
I just found Gigi Gryce’s “Saying Somethin’!” (New Jazz 8230). What’s strange is that instead of the standard purple label, it has the dark blue Prestige label. I know New Jazz was a subsidiary of Prestige, so does this mean this is a second pressing? Or maybe a test pressing?
May 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
I wanted to post this Lou Donaldson interview/Blindfold Test. I thought it was pretty cool. I love people who shoot from the hip like Lou.
Interview
May 24th, 2011 at 8:31 am
@katharsis:I’m sorry but I can’t understand what you mean: I never used DG 0 in my list. Can you please tell me what title are you referring to ?
thanks
May 23rd, 2011 at 4:57 am
@dottorjazz: Thanks for your explanation. Obviously that makes sense. I checked the list and could see, that there was “DG 0″ stated. Maybe a misprint?
May 21st, 2011 at 4:01 pm
@Tony, Fred Cohen published a book that has the information you are looking for. You can find it here . It has a list of all the stereo versions, who they were first pressed by, and a couple paragraphs of info.
You may be able to find all this info on the web, I haven’t seen it though.
May 21st, 2011 at 11:01 am
DottorJazz-
Thanks for the feedback! I am moving ahead (slowly but surely) with my digitizing. I agree whole-heartedly that the sound quality, as well as the overall experience of listening to jazz on vinyl is irreplacable. Holding the cover, the large graphics, the liner notes..i collect cd’s too, but the experience is different altogether. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
May 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
If anyone has a list of which BNs were issued in stereo as well as mono I would really appreciate it. I realise VG recorded in both stereo and mono after mid 1957 but did that mean that all releases after that date were also available in both mono or stereo, or only the most poplular titles suchas 1577, 4003, etc.?
May 21st, 2011 at 5:43 am
Thnaks for the Blue Note file. I only wish it had comments on the Stereo Original Versions.
May 21st, 2011 at 3:35 am
@ Mark: I DO listen to my originals which are over 95% of my collection. I have digital copies of all my vinyl as well as of records I still do not own. I listen to digital when I’m away from home and seldom to what I have on vinyl. The sound quality and the way of listening is so different that I’m not interested in records I know and love as vinyl.
If you have a good equipment let the originals roll.
May 21st, 2011 at 3:11 am
BigBear,
Thank you, nice to know my copies of 1595 and 4003 with the gold “stereo” stickers are earlier copies. I was wondering because I just picked up a copy of 4163 with the “stereo” sticker and was wondering if it was earlier or later than the 84163 copies.
May 21st, 2011 at 1:02 am
Aaron:
As for the stereo stickers, I understand that those with stickers are generally before those with stereo printed on the cover for those ~9 stereo LPs issued before 8-4015 (1554,1563,1577,1593,1595,4003,4008,4011,4014). Per Fred Cohen’s book, quote “Gold “stereo” stickers were also applied to later mono covers, such as BLP 4080, 4126, 4149, 4157, 4159 and 4162, both to use up the stickers as well as the covers. These pressings are all later issues for which an actual stereo cover was printed.”
I also have a stereo sticker on my stereo copies of 4070 and 4072.
May 20th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Hello Again! Love this site! I wanted to float a question out to y’all, and get some feedback. I am a collector (as well as a musician). I buy records that I enjoy listening to, rather than having them as “pieces” to be observed in my collection. Being a bit of a computer geek, I have also been making digital copies of my favorites, so I can listen to them via CD in my vehicle, or MP3 on a portable device. Although they are not perfect copies of pristine records, I do enjoy being able to listen to them on the go. I wonder if there are other collectors out there that do this? In my experience, and this is not a judegment at all, but I do not think those who spend mega-bux on collectable records are putting them on a turntable to enjoy the music therein.
Again, love the site, and look forward to any and all feedback!
May 20th, 2011 at 8:02 am
This is a great site, very nicely put together. I have been collecting jazz since I was a teen (I am 45 now), and I thouroughly enjoy the experiences I have at swap-meets, shows, and shops I have visited in my travels. I wanted to relay a story from about 15 years ago, when I was living in Colorado. There was an ad in the newspaper about a record shop (I believe in Boulder, although the name escapes me now), that was having a huge sale/liquidation of stuff, and was actually selling records by the pund! Reminded me of some GoodWill shops that get rid of their trashed records, but I made the trip, got there early and had plenty of time to rummage. As I am also a colector of album cover art, I picked through the boxes and found covers, even if the records were thrashed. I was surprised when I found some nice (vg+) vinyl, too. My diamonds from the rough, although not highly priced collectables, but still great finds were:
Mulligan/Desmond-”Two of a Mind” on RCA Vic, original pressing, great shape
Vols. 1-4 of “Shelly Manne and His Men at the Manne-Hole” on Contemporary, awesome condition
“Dizzy in Greece” on Clef, cover so-so, vinyl pristine
Chris Connor: “A Jazz Date”, “I Miss you So”, “Chris Craft”, all original Atlantic pressings, the “Craft” with the bullseye label, and “This is Chris” , orig laurels Bethlehem press, covers ok, vinyl again vg+ to nm
I paid a 25 cents a pound and spent about 20 bucks, came home with a haul of great covers and the beauties above. Hope y’all enjoy my story!
May 20th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Al: I love the new feature on the site, highlighting in blue the topics, references, comments etc.
I would not have thought that the site could be improved, but indeed it has been. it is a greater joy to open it.
May 20th, 2011 at 12:21 am
-Hello-
New poster here. I just found the various artists LP “Jazz Behind The Dikes”-Epic LN 3270. Nice compilation of Dutch groups with Wessel Heken Conbo, Frans Elsen Quartet, Rob Madna Trio, Herman Schoonderwalt Septet, & Tony Vos Quartet. I cannnot find a listing for this LP on Ebay, Popsike, Collectors Frenzy, etc. Any idea on value? Thanks in advance.
Best,
Steve
May 19th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
dottore: re Blue Note file. Well done! Great stuff. Thanks.
May 19th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
dottorjazz: thanks!
May 19th, 2011 at 9:15 am
hi, another question for vinyl fans
few weeks ago bought Anita O’Day Travellin’ Light on Verve and finally got a chance to have a close look at it. I didn’t know, that it was issued in 60 with MGV prefix, but even if knew would buy with V repress in such condition for that money. But when my friend saw the record, he stated that this is late 60-s pressing, ’cause there is NO deep groove or groove guard. I didn’t agree, because as I think there was no point in mono pressing in the second half of 60s. But the record definitely looks like modern pressing, just a flat label, though it surely plays as an old-time, sounds like mono and has an old-time cover.
Who is right and who is wrong?
May 19th, 2011 at 7:36 am
Hope it will be useful or simply nice to read.
Anyone willing to help in completing missing labels or substituting poor pics can mail me:
giorgio@studiocappiosarchi.it
here the link:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9KUHOGE4
comments wellcome
May 19th, 2011 at 1:47 am
Where can we download this list of first pressings?
May 19th, 2011 at 1:38 am
dottorjazz,
Sounds great, please post a link! Regarding original stereo Blue Notes I have a question, are the copies with the gold foil STEREO stickers (on mono covers w/4XXX catalog numbers) earlier or later than the stereo covers with the 84XXX catalog number printed on front?
May 18th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
I started this adventure last August and I’m working on it daily.
It’s simply a visual and noted view on Blue Note first pressings that can complement the beautiful Cohen’s book.
Everyone interested can download the updated edition completely free.
Every suggestion, correction and help with missing labels is much appreciated and I credit every single help, so by now, thanks London Calling, Matty Man and Maarten.
As Al will ok me, I’ll post the link of the latest issue.
Mono only….
May 18th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Thanks for reply.
4069 exists in different combinations:double deep groove or no deep groove, both with W63i label, not to mention NYC/W63i with/without deep groove.
In my research on BN originals I’m trying to document all significant variants in order to identify the “real” original.Re 4069 I think that double deep groove is the real one, and Fred Cohen states the same.
When you’ll have the list on hand, please see that 4069 is in green meaning that the details correspond to the original first pressing.What I still miss of this number is pics of deep groove labels, while no deep groove are shown.
May 18th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
I don’t have the list here that (I guess) London calling has made. But I remember that this list states, that 4069 does not have a DG originally. Am I wrong?
May 18th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
katharsis: can you please answer my question here ?
thanks
Katharsis Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 11:45 am
According to the world famous Guide to BN first pressings, London calling has made, BN4069 ist original without DG.
Turrentine on BN is a strange thing. There are some sessions that fetch quite much money and there are other ones – may the be earliere or later sessions – that are bargains.
dottorjazz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
hi Katharsis, why BN 4069 should have no deep groove ?
May 18th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Thanks Rudolf, that’s very helpful. I have huge gaps in my collection, so I can’t proof. But it’s at least good to know if I may have some second pressings.
May 18th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Katharsis: I am not a Riverside specialist, Michel would seam much more knowledgeable. Anyway, I checked at random and found my last DG Riverside to be 414. My 413 is not DG, but my 412 is. Then I have a hiatus until 420. My 420 is not DG. Hope this helps.
May 18th, 2011 at 4:02 am
Rudolf, I would agree that RLP-243 has never been released with white labels.
I have one further question: You mention that the last Riverside-pressings coexist as DG and non-DG-pressings. Could you be more specific, what the last DG pressing was, you(or anybody else)have seen?
For example, I’ve never seen RLP-424 “Young Ideas” by the JFK Quintet as a DG pressing. So I would suggest that the last DG is somewhere in the early 400-area. Thanks for helping!
May 15th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Funny story-well,maybe not THAT funny. When I first discovered jazz-and really started to get into the music-I came across this copy of Tommy Flanagan’s “Overseas” lp. After having only this photo to go by for a year or so,you can imagine my surprise when I first caught Tommy Flanagan(to me,a “swingin’ Irishman”)live at the Vanguard. Sorry about that,Tommy! And man,do I miss seeing him perform…
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tommy-Flanagan-Trio-overseas-Prestige-7632-/180663287521?_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DMRU-11233%252BUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D290560819063%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D9175204555861691444
May 12th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Wow! I am so glad I found this web site! There are so many interesting, well-written articles here. I am 35 years old, and just got into collecting jazz LPs a few years ago. Before that, I mostly listened to progressive rock from the ’70s. I have been collecting vinyl since the mid-’90s, and it seems that good jazz on labels such as Blue Note, Prestige and Riverside is somewhat difficult to find compared to other types of music. However, I really got into jazz when I found a whole box of jazz albums on the Riverside label at a local Thrifty Shopper. This was a few years ago. Since then, I have found a few Blue Notes as well. My favorite album is Herbie Hancock’s ‘Maiden Voyage.’ Does anyone here have an original pressing w/New York labels and ear in the deadwax of this album in nice condition for sale? I would be able to offer $150 on a stereo or mono pressing in M- condition. Please email me at shpb4me@aol.com if you have a copy. Thanks! I am looking forward to reading more of the great articles which are regularly posted here.
May 11th, 2011 at 8:04 am
I’m with dottor. Some musicians are instantly recognizable(Trane as mentioned, Monk, Chet Baker whom I’m not in love with but can usually recognize) and some aren’t. Also, many I can recognize as Miles Davis, or someone trying to imitate him. It takes me a bit to separate the imitators from the real thing some times. The musicians who are virtuoso players are easier to recognize. Drums and Bass are more difficult to me, but I’ve known drummers and bass players who can tell you pretty accurately who that is. Grant Green to me is a recognizable guitarist but Kenny Burrell is harder. Maybe because I prefer Green so he’s easier to pick out.
As for another question, I don’t find that most jazz fans in the US are 60+ years old although there are plenty. Jazz education hear isn’t what it should be but the music is passed on. In New Orleans, there is a decent modern Jazz scene with plenty of musicians and fans in there 20′s and 30′s.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:14 am
ps question: after decades of listenings you can recognise artists who have a personal style, not ‘em all, but most.An example: if you play me a coltrane solo BEFORE 1957 I couldn’t know who it is, but if you play any post blue train solo I’m sure to get it at once.
I’m not a sax player but I love this instrument over the others: I have difficulties with rhythm instruments and often with trumpets. One musician you’ll be able to recognise is Bird, but if you’re listening to Sonny Criss, I think it will be almost impossible to say who it is, unless you know what he’s playing in that moment.
Anyway: listen, listen, listen.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:33 am
Thanks for so many responses, didn’t quite expect. Zdrastvooytye is very funny
Hmm, was the 275 new jazz conceptions white labeled? If not, that is really strange. I got recently two copies for my friends, one was with INC, other without, both were nm and sold by famous sellers, i got them less then 50$.
It’s a pity that even such great domain name doesn’t attract many people. There are few lovers of jazz out here and few lovers of vinyl, and when they meet in one person…
Very strange, but in my country real jazzvinyl fans are in their 60s and usually spend their last money on records, and young ones mostly buy reissues or just cheap europe editions to make rap/hip-hop samples. Is this picture the same in your country/countries?
I think that collecting rare jazz records is something beyond any type of collecting – you always can listen to the record, that was printed fifty-sixty years ago and get the most enjoyable sound ever..not just have it on the shelf..
Can i ask you whether you like pop-giants of jazz like Coltrane, Davis..Has the great variety of jazz records you’ve listened to changed your opinion on them?
p.s. jazz critics often use such descriptions: “easily recognized” or “highly distinguished”…do you hear the difference between musicians “with your eyes closed”? Piano, sax, bass players?
p.p.s sorry, too many questions, but..;)
May 10th, 2011 at 3:49 am
DON-LUCKY: GOT YOUR MESSAGES IN MY MAILBOX. WILL REVERT IN DUE COURSE.
I thank all of you for contributions re white label 12-242. Now has anyone seen a white DG label for 12-243 or higher up. If not, 12-242 is definitely the last white one to have been issued.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Just checked. My Monk’s Music is double sided DG, White Label, no inc.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Good evening Rudolf, I just sent a few e-mails to you regarding that Prestige label font issue complete with photos and a few additional photos showing my copy of Monk’s Music for your review and comment.(Check your junk mail just in case
) Thanks again !
May 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
my Monk’s music is white and I do not have OJC
May 9th, 2011 at 10:07 am
don-lucky: homo medievalis back from Piemonte. Btw, I found out that Italian boxes designed to contain 12 bottles of wine are ideal in size to store some fifty 12″ LP albums.
Re Prestige, have you contacted Al in the meantime to dig into this question in more detail? I am not sure whether I fully grasp the typographical issue.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Zdrastvooytye jazz.ru. Riverside had original first pressing white labels with light blue until 12-242 (Monk’s Music). I have an original 12-241 in white with light blue. I have seen 12-242 offered on EBay with white labels, but it may have been a fake OJC-pressing.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:28 am
jazzvinyl.ru
This might help regarding the Bill Evans LPs, here’s a link to the Riverside labelography on my website (scroll to bottom): http://33rev.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=68
May 7th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
I’m from Uruguay and I have thousand of jazz collectable records from my grand grandfather.
I can write summary of catalogue if anyone interested in buying it.
Valentina
May 7th, 2011 at 5:11 am
I forgot to mention that “New Jazz Conceptions” appears in two different outfits. The first is the LP with the nice photography of Evans on the cover, while the second has a not so nice painting on it. The 2nd one is available as a DG blue label pressing.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Jazzvinyl.ru
Did you see the “new jazz conceptions” that went for $275 today? Maybe you started a new trend.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:59 am
One addition: It looks like you have a fine web-domain. Unfortunately I don’t understand anything
May 6th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Here’s my humble opinion on Bill Evans. “New jazz Conceptions” ist the only record that shows him more in a boppish manner. All the later LPs show Evans as the thoughtful and melancholic pianist he was throughout his career. Therefor “New Jazz Conceptions” sounds pretty much different and is more straightforward. I think this could be a reason for that his later output is more appreciated.
I would answer your other questions like this:
INC was added on later pressings (I don’t know the number by now). So earlier issues with INC are second pressings, while later Riversides always feature the INC.
The white labels were the first labels in usw (until somewhere in the RLP-220 area, I’d guess). After that, they’ve changed to the blue label (although with changing variations). So, in a nutshell – the white ones are the earliest Riverside-pressings and therefor not many are available.
Hope this helps until someone else can give exact details!
May 6th, 2011 at 8:56 am
hello again from a young jazz collector in russia.
had a hard time spending all money on medium-rare lp’s and want to ask some questions about riverside and bill evans.
of course, i’ve always loved his music, but i don’t quite understand what’s happening with his records. what’s wrong with his first riverside lp called new jazz conceptions. it appears on ebay rather often and hardly goes for 30-50$ even in great condition. i know that it was printed several years before on white label and is really rare seen, but why not buy his greatly mastered record for this money..it’s not orpheum or ojc..maybe the music is not good enough? don’t think so, there is not many ballads on this lp, but there is waltz for debby and great improvisations on jazz classics..why is everybody so mad about waltz for debby lp, portrait.., and explorations? i have only one guess – every collector just already has this record..
enough thoughts..can somebody tell me, what is the difference between bill grauer productions and bill grauer production INC. labels? i never had a chance to compare same records, but have lot with INC and they play great on my system..i see that INC fetch lower prices, than BGP without INC..
and can anyone tell me what about rare white label riverside..i do not see them often, some times monk originals, but they go for too high prices for a young collector like me
are there any white label riverside that are not so collectible and play modern jazz, not dixieland or rag-time archives..
thanks everybody..really enjoy this web-page, the stories, the overviews, the words of people, who are into this for a long time..thanks again
May 5th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Rudolf, you sir are a true renaissance man ! (Sounds like you cross boarders for wine as much as I cross boarders to catch live Jazz these days…) I will send Al a photo of the Prestige label in question this weekend to forward on to you for comparison research. In the meantime, have a great trip to Piemonte and thanks for the update.
May 5th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
don-lucky: I cannot comment right now. I am on my way for a wine buying trip in Piemonte. Just across the border one can find some fantastic wines (in Vaud, and even in Geneva) and in Italian Savoia (Piemonte). One would not find them here in French Savoia, although the production areas are only 30 to 150 kms away. The opposite is true too, French Savoia wines cannot be found across the border. So we keep on crossing the border.
Re Prestige, you may have a point for the NJ issues, never noticed any discrepancies on the NYC labels though. I must check for the NJ issues.
There is an other criterium for NJ issues: whether one sees HI FI, HI FIDELITY, or HIGH FIDELITY. But we need to find out the meaning. My intuition is that HI FI is the oldest, more original, since the NY issues had HI FI.
cheers, Rudolf
May 5th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Here’s one for all the Sonny Rollins fans in the ‘Jazz Collective’:
It’s Tuesday nights interview with Sonny on the Checkout with Josh Jackson (WBGO 88.3FM) entitled “The Primative Sonny Rollins”
http://www.wbgo.org/thecheckout/primitive-sonny-rollins/
…Some great stories from back in the day. Enjoy !
May 4th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Hello. Anyone know who might be interested in my father’s reel-to-reel (self-recorded) tapes? Lots of jazz, old radio shows. Mostly from the radio.
Thanks!
Lisa
May 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 am
Hi Rudolf, I was just chatting with Al offline about a Prestige issue, and we were wondering if you might be able to shed some light on something for us if you have a minute. I was comparing the different levels of over-print / boldness of fonts found on the address listed on the yellow and black fireworks labels of original copies of Workin’ with the Miles Davis Quintet (PRLP 7166) My copy has a fairly light but sharp font used for the Bergenfield, NJ address, whereas Al’s copy is more overprinted. They both have all the usual characteristics (DG, RVG etc) of a first pressing but are there any subtleties like this overprinting anomaly or variations in ink colour tone on the covers (similar to Blue Note) that might say otherwise about what would truly constitute a first pressing with Prestige ? Each Prestige album I have, be it a NY or NJ label seems to tell a different story I find…
April 27th, 2011 at 8:34 am
These are exactly the tracks that are now issued on vinyl.
I hope that I will have the chance to listen to the LP tomorrow.
Tomorrow I will get my new needle.
April 26th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
as there were two sessions the same date, the second was Davis quintet without Miles: three tracks played by JC with Kelly, Chambers and Cobb.
-On green dolphin street
-Walkin’
-The theme
curious about the audio quality for it has been issued on vinyl.
April 26th, 2011 at 9:16 am
m davis quintet with jc toured europe as part of a JATP package march 21-april 10 1960. Other musicians were: o peterson and s getz with their own groups.
Düsseldorf, march 28, Apollo Theatre (WDR studio): two recording sessions featuring JC with S Getz,W Kelly or O Peterson,P Chambers and J Cobb.Recorded too: S Getz quartet,O Peterson trio and quartet without M Davis which was absent.
5 tracks recorded:
a ballad medley,played continuosly: Yesterdays (a),Autumn leaves (b),What’s new (c) and Moonlight in Vermont (d);Rifftide (aka Hackensack) (e)
W Kelly plays a-d,O Peterson plays e
J Coltrane plays on c and e;S Getz plays on d and e
Chambers and Cobb play throughout.
so there’s only one track with two tenors.
no audience was present so applauses were overdubbed.
video on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-2uBeMgV4I
April 24th, 2011 at 6:20 am
Thanks Jan for info: I’m out of town for Easter and have no access to my books. In a couple of days I’ll be able to clear this german session.
Ceedee is right: we discussed about Getz-Coltrane some time ago here and I’ve seen the clip.
April 24th, 2011 at 4:42 am
Bill if you check on ebay.de (keywords coltrane and düsseldorf)you will find some sellers that offer worldwide shipping and accept paypal.
Hope that helps.
April 24th, 2011 at 2:18 am
Bill-thanks for that link. Jazz Icons 4 looks like my next purchase. Just when I thought I had my personal “debt ceiling” down where I wanted it. Now,it’s off to Ebay I go to sell more ‘stuff’!
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
I must add that I’m really happy to hear about a vinyl issue. Any chance of it being available in the States?
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:42 pm
The Coltrane is available on DVD from Jazz Icons at http://www.jazzicons.com as John Coltrane Live in ’60,’61 and ’65. I believe the audio only is out on Cd.
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:33 pm
This is indeed possible because the liner notes say that recording was made for a TV broadcast by the WDR.(a German broadcasting company)
April 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
Jan,re Trane:Somewhere on Youtube there is-was?-a clip with Trane,Getz and Peterson playing together on a studio stage.Probably from 1960-would the lp you mention be an appearance of those same performances?
April 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Dottore you might be interested in a new JC release.
I recently bought a new JC LP.
It is the first ? release of a JC session recorded in Düsseldorf in 1960.
The liner notes say that this is a first release with Coltrane as a leader recorded while he was touring Europe as a member of the MD Quintet.
Sidemen are Wynton Kelly, Paul Chambers and Jimmy Cobb.Later Stan Getz and Oscar Peterson sit in.
I have not yet listened to it because my stereo pick up is broken so I can t say anything about the recording quality.
Anyway here is the link. http://cgi.ebay.de/JOHN-COLTRANE-1960-DUSSELDORF-EU-LP-/230608199288?pt=B%C3%BCcher_Unterhaltung_Music_CDs&hash=item35b151de78
April 21st, 2011 at 10:40 am
I have Perchard’s but, as usual, I haven’t read it yet.
I buy more books than I can read.
The last two:Coltrane on Coltrane and the real monster:The J Coltrane reference,a monumental 4.6 pounds.
You know: JC is my number one hero.
I’ve been buying Coltrane books since 1980: I guess I’ll have read ‘em all by 2099, and only if won’t buy more.
April 21st, 2011 at 9:01 am
Rudolf, no but I was looking into it. I couldn’t decide between this one and the slightly newer one by Jeffrey McMillan. Anyone read that one?
April 21st, 2011 at 7:45 am
has anyone read Tom Perchard’s biography of Lee Morgan??
April 15th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Creed Taylor Interview
I thought this was a pretty cool short little interview with Creed Taylor about the beginnings of Impulse. Nothing Revolutionary but a nice interview none the less.
April 14th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Thanks Ceedee. I thought that’s what it might refer, thanks for the confirmation.
April 14th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Cazoon,re:”flat edge”-it’s just that. Most lps have a rim or lip on the lead-in of the first track,in order to accomodate stacking of lps on a turntable-early Blue Notes were w/o that edge,hence “flat”. According to Cohen’s book,flat edge-aka “flat rim”- last appears on BN 1557.
April 14th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Hi. I am new to collecting jazz vinyl. I have a few Blue Notes. I was hoping someone could tell me exactly what ‘flat edge’ means. Thanks
April 12th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Off topic (as usual…) Happy Birthday to our man Herbie !
April 12th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Word Jazz – Ken Nordine
Does anyone know who designed the cover for the original Dot release?
It looks kinda like Paul Rand, but I don’t think it was him.
April 12th, 2011 at 9:09 am
For any Ella fan’s out there:
Hip-o-Select (The folks who brought us the 12 Nights in Hollywood box) just released the
Ella Fitzgerald ‘S Wonderful: Ella In Japan. It’s supposed to be a great live 2-CD box… Amazon has it on pre-order, but if you go to their website http://www.hip-oselect.com/scr.public.product.asp?product_id=04C7C84E-56CE-412D-BC37-94C0AB1212A2 you can get it direct right away.
April 11th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Hi…I’m Dollarsterno and hang out @ Record Collectors Guild mostly…but I usually lurk here. I really like this site. The following is a response to the same question about the 18 boxes of Jazz records I posed @ RCG. ..
“I was at the auction and bidding against the winner, after about 2k it was just me and him. There was a lot of good hard to find jazz pieces with some lps bringing in 1k a piece. Auction ended at 9,000 to an in house bidder and the buyers premium was 18% so buyer paid around $11,000. I would say he was a collector because $11,000 was probably pretty close to market value. I did not look at every single record but it was a great lot. Lots of Blue Note, Prestige, Clef, Norgran, Pacific Jazz, riverside saw one on progressive, tons of 10″, and some other really great stuff. I had set my limit at around 5k but got a little caught up in the bidding war. Condition of the vinyl was excellent.”
April 11th, 2011 at 11:10 am
If the boxes include at least 12 higher priced Blue Notes, the winner has made a steal.
April 10th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Anyone know the winner here?
OK…so I was following this auction in Ct. all week and begging some one at the auction for more pics. and some info.. I didn’t get much. The auction was for 18 boxes of Jazz records. From what little I saw I knew that the lot was loaded. The auction put a pre-auction value on the entire lot at 20.00 – 40.00 dollars. As I sat there and waited the auction on lot 13 began. FINAL hammer price 9,500.00 dollars AND buyer pays 24 to 27 percent fees and taxes. BUYER spent 12,000.00. I would love to know WHAT was in those boxes.
http://www.auctionzip.com/aflive.html?method=getLotInfo&lotref=A42C3BF404&seq=2
April 10th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
I have noticed that on a few higher priced situations of late that I have been the high bidder, but at the absolute limit of my bid via sniping program. Just today, I was the high bidder for the Clifford Jordan Blue Note LP at $1,330 (an odd amount – but the exact bid I put into the sniping program). Other recent examples are Lee Morgan Candy on 3/23 for $2,835 (again – an odd amount but the maximum bid in the snipe program) – this was my birthday present to myself…And $910 for a Hank Mobley 1550 (again – 910 was high price in sniper)…
I am starting to get a bit suspicious that something is amiss here. That being said, I have bought other records (most more moderately priced) where I was able to purchase at discounts to my high bid (and, of course, many more where my bid was too low). Has anyone else experienced this lately? Could just be a coincidence, but I am very curious…
April 10th, 2011 at 10:34 am
I agree, the cover with Oliver on it captures the record best. Thanks everyone for your responses.
April 10th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Thanks for the response ceedee. Upon closer examination the Hubbard looks as though somebody grabbed it with some kind of solvent and melted their fingerprints right into the vinyl. I guess I’ll just have to accept my semi-par copy for a dollar, until I can afford a nicer copy.
April 10th, 2011 at 7:00 am
Mike-re:Oliver Nelson,that is one case where I’ve always preferred the second cover over the original. Nothing captures the moodiness of the title track like the blue,head-in-hand sideshot. A timeless cover for a memorable session.
Cazoon-sounds like the Hubbard might require MORE than a “simple washing” and,if so,there are any number of LP cleaning kits that might help. Or perhaps it’ll come off after repeated applications. It’s a drag that there are listeners that make a pb&j sandwich and immediately get the urge to spin vinyl,washing of hands be damned. Nutty.
April 10th, 2011 at 5:32 am
Mike — the one you got at the garage sale yesterday is the original cover. Congratulations. Great record.
April 10th, 2011 at 12:45 am
I think that the Goldmine Jazz collectors price guide states that the abstract cover with Bill Evans name first is the original, but I can´t remember clearly and haven´t got a copy any more. Maby somebody can check.
April 9th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
I’m listening to “Blues and the Abstract Truth” at the moment. I bought a copy for $1 at a garage sale. It looks and plays VG with the cover also in VG. This will be my third copy, my other two are in crap condition. My “original” or so I think, has the cover with Oliver with the dark Blue coloring. HERE
I’ve always been suspicious that this cover is not the original. The one I got today at the garage sale is this cover. HERE Which is the same cover as my audiophile repress. Which is the original? Also, what’s the story behind the two covers? Thanks,
April 9th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Which is the first pressing of Dizzy Gillespie’s “Groovin High” LP on Savoy MG 12020 (1955)?
I’ve seen three covers from around the same time and am a little confused.
#1 has a black background, beige lettering, a beige tint to the picture and bright red Savoy labels
#2 has a white background, red lettering, B&W photo and red/mauve Savoy labels
#3 has a white background, black lettering, B&W photo and mauve Savoy labels.
Any information would be much appreciated
Thank you.
April 9th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Just wanted everyone to know I am about to put Teo Maceero’s “Explorations” DLP – 6 10″ on Ebay, the cover is in VG condition, the album is VG+… I couldn’t find anywhere else to post this sorry if I interupted the conversation. I came across this website while researching the album and figured you would like to know…
April 9th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
I’m sorry I meant to say an original copy of Freddie Hubbard’s ‘Open Sesame’.
April 9th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Hello all, I just purchased an original copy at a garage sale for the grand total of $1.00. Nice bargain indeed. Cover is in very good condition, vinyl is in good condition. Does play with some surface noise and pops, but for a buck, it’s a steal. My question is, on one side it looks like someone had some substance on their fingers and their fingerprints seem to be permanently on the album. I can’t seem to remove them with a simple washing. Does anyone know I might be able to use without damaging the vinyl? Thanks
April 9th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Katharsis:I don’t have “Comin’ Up”,sorry. In trying to find an image of the cover,I came across this site,though:
http://coverjazz.canalblog.com/archives/sal_nistico/index.html
Just what I needed-another site to remind me of records I don’t own!
April 9th, 2011 at 4:05 am
Hey guys, I’m looking for a copy of Sal Nistico’s “Comin’ on up” he cut for Riverside.
Does anyone have a copy he’d sell or does anyone have an idea where to find it?!
Thanks in advance.
April 7th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Hello,
I have a Liberty Mono Pressing of Kenny Burrell’s “Blue Lights Vol 1″. The record is VG/VG+ the cover is VG.. if anyone is interessted in a trade please let me know.
Thanks.
April 6th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Sorry for the confusion.
I think the guy didn’t mean Art Farmer as a person but as a musician. I wanted to sell a copy of “Sing me softly of the blues” and the seller mentioned, that no one is really interested in Art Farmer.
That seemed strange to me. I think that his later quartet/quintet pretty much shows his own style. Maybe it’s disliked because it’s not the usual Hardbop anymore…
April 6th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Modern Art and, above all, ‘to sweden with love’ ..
Don’t no the argo one, i will check it out.
April 6th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Al, that Argo one is lovely too. Nice cover and, of course, the impeccable Tommy Flanagan. I love that album, it is on a par with the K.Dorham album on New Jazz.
April 6th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Maarten and Rudolf. I’m with you guys on Art Farmer. My favorite is an album called Art on the Argo label. It’s a beautiful quartet album with Tommy Flanagan on piano and it’s all standards, including some that you don’t often see in jazz, such as Goodbye Old Girl and Younger Than Springtime. Excellent album.
April 6th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Maarten: I share your passion for Art Farmer. His was different approach from the prevailing hard attacking youngsters.
For me two albums, Farmer’s Market and Modern Art, stand out. Both are the quintessence of modern bop: the NJ with Mobley and Elvin, the UA with Golson and Bill Evans.
I heard Art live on two occasions, one in Scheveningen with the Gerry Mulligan Qrt in 1958/9 and one in London at Ronnie Scott’s.
April 6th, 2011 at 6:20 am
i’ve bought Silver’s Serenade (4131), Mono, rudy van gelder, ‘P’.. BUT with DG on side 2: does this mean it is a second pressing? On popsike i saw some with no DG
April 5th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
My experience with Art Farmer is that you could not have asked for a nicer guy. I hosted a show for WKCR way back when and tried to arrange an interview. He sent me a letter while on tour in Europe,apologizing and promising to hook up when he returned to the states. We eventually did that interview,and his efforts in that regard were more than any young college kid should have expected. Low-key,unpretentious and a gentleman.
I think his musical talents were often taken for granted,perhaps because self-promotion was never real high on his “to do” list. He could play the hell out of a flugelhorn,though!
April 5th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
correction: Kharsis should be Katharsis
April 5th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Kharsis: I don’t understand what you wrote… Do you mean they don’t like his music, or that he was not a nice guy??.. aah that would be ashame.. such a delicate music, full with all the emotions a jazz player could play…
April 5th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
correction: Walter Perkins on drums
April 5th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Farmer has one disadvantage: He doesn’t play the flute
I think his way of playing is really sophisticated and something own. When I was in NY, looking for couple of Farmer Atlantics,a seller told me, that there no one really liked Farmer. Hard to imagine and I’d love to hear if it’s the truth.
April 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
sometimes you must take a stand: I say, ART FARMER IS THE KING OF ‘M ALL!!
watch this clip… and what a line up: Jim Hall, Pete laRocca and steve swallow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIL1nNLGPMQ&feature=related
April 5th, 2011 at 6:32 am
eric is one of my personal top 5 musicians althought I prefer him an alto or bass clarinet
April 4th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I concur Robert-Eric playing”Left Alone” always does it for me.
April 4th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Robert Opines:
With all the flutist banter happening it shocks me that the greatest of them all in the last fifty years was not mentioned: THE LEGENDARY ERIC DOLPHY. Enough said. Comments accepted.
April 4th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Ceedee, I’ve never seen that photo either but this one(or another with the same photo) is on my want list. Not at that price though. That photo is just great.
April 4th, 2011 at 9:19 am
This Sonny Rollins listing of a Japan-only pressing “Greatest Hits”-in stereo?!- would be forgettable if not for the great photo on the rear of cover,a picture I’d never seen before. Cool…
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONNY-ROLLINS-JAPAN-GOLDEN-DISK-/290370155437?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item439b68f3ad
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:28 am
Oh c’mon, Dorothy Ashby is a great player and she really has that swinging Bop-tone on the harp
I really love the flute, even more than the vibes. May it be Frank Wess or Seldon Powell. One of the best flutists is definitely Jerome Richardson. His playing is just fantastic!
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:04 am
I like Bags and “hummer” Teddy Charles, also Victor Feldman. Terry Gibbs a lot less. But vibes are O.K. with me as a viable jazz instrument.
What I cannot stand is jazz on flute. I love Bobby Jaspar, but unfortunately, there is almost no album without him playing flute. The flautist who comes closest to a real jazz sound is Frank Wess, but still, prefer him on tenor.
Even worse is vibory, harpsichord and harp. I am keeping two harp and flute albums just for the labels (late NY Prestige and early NJ), and, I should add, very tasteful drumming by Roy Haynes.
April 3rd, 2011 at 7:15 am
I myself love vibes and I mostly dig albums where a vibes-player is on it.
But keep in mind, that there’s a different approach playing vibes. You can play them soft, like a vibe, more direct like a piano and very direct and percussive like a drummer would do. So sometimes you really can feel the difference of the approach and maybe there’s one you might like better than another.
But one thing is sometings really funny and some other time really annoying: I haven’t heard any vibes-player who isn’t humming to his playing!
April 3rd, 2011 at 6:55 am
mayby it has something to do with the fact that a “vibe’ sound isn’t straight and clear. It has a tone that changes within every strike, it ‘bends’….. unlike most other jazz instruments (exept mayby for the trombone..)
I myself love the vibes a lot. I like the dreamy sound..
I hate the harpiscord to. Bach i listen to whenn it’s played on piano or forte-piano…
April 3rd, 2011 at 4:21 am
Regarding the vibes you must have some kind of connection with my wife;-) She can’t stand them at all. I love vibes myself and have always done so.
April 3rd, 2011 at 1:49 am
I do !
but not for jazz,only for classical.
I can’t stand harpsichord:it’s scratchy for my ears.
and loving bach I prefer piano.
April 2nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm
I think I must have a genetic disease which makes me predisposed to cringe whenever a jazz album I put on breaks into vibes. With almost no exception, I cannot seem to listen past the vibes and want to immediately get up and change the album. I have been passionately collecting jazz for 3 or 4 years now, and was sort of hoping I would outgrow this feeling…but just doesn’t seem to be happening. Currently listening to BN 4227 Mode to Joe – Joe Henderson and much of the music is terrific – until I hear the vibes….
Does anyone else have this affliction? Other than the obvious of just not buying anything with Bags or Bobby H, etc, not sure what to do…:(
April 1st, 2011 at 1:54 pm
http://www.plosin.com/milesahead/Covers.aspx?id=Miles-LP1
hope it “takes” this time…
April 1st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
where is the link
April 1st, 2011 at 1:44 pm
For those interested,here’s a link to the original cover and liner notes for “The Original Quintet”(click on cover). A great-and informative-website for the true Miles Davis enthusiast! “Sposin’” will blow your tweeters if you’re not careful,though-it happened a few times to my Maggies!
April 1st, 2011 at 12:04 pm
rudolf: yep!
April 1st, 2011 at 11:43 am
just viewing an album offered by our friend Bobdjukic. His is a story full of lies: it is the original quintet of Miles Davis PrLp 7014, in the 1962 re-issue # 7254. Even as a re-issue it is not the first issue. These re-issue series had one particularity: the front cover was in a special grubby paper, very artistic, but easily exposed to wear. The second versions were in gleaming paper. Anyway, his is a re-issue or second pressing of a re-issue, nothing an original should be. The word shame is unknown to our friend, but the system works: he obtains high prices. Caveat emptor.
April 1st, 2011 at 11:22 am
Maarten, you have the correct answer. Now with respect to your riddle. On the top of my head, could it be the Kenny Drew trio on early Riverside??
April 1st, 2011 at 10:46 am
“X plus Lee Morgan and Curtis Fuller = BLP 1577.
For X give the name of an album or catalogue number.”
and minus Coltrane, what album do we have then??
April 1st, 2011 at 10:40 am
Paul Chambers – Chambers’ Music on Jazz West JWLP 7
i believe it was a forgotten session fromm ’55 or ’56
westcoast recording
April 1st, 2011 at 1:53 am
To have some fun amidst learned discussion about flat rims and ears, I would like to ask you guys (and girls) a riddle.
X plus Lee Morgan and Curtis Fuller = BLP 1577.
For X give the name of an album or catalogue number.
March 30th, 2011 at 3:01 am
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160565774258&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_621wt_1135
March 30th, 2011 at 3:01 am
I put this really rare jazz funk by Roy Porter”Jessica” record on eBay. Top copies have gone for 2k. I got this record at the Buena Park record show about 8 months ago for $400. What makes this copy so special is the it is from the estate of Bumps Blackwell delivered to Roy Porter himself with press materials with hand written notes. This very well could be the 1st copy. Roy’s note on the press packette say cover to come. I was thinking about taking this money and investing in a 1st state butcher cover.
March 30th, 2011 at 2:18 am
Hey C K Ng,
I guess I should have been more specific. I have one NY and 2 NJ’s. I would trade on e of the NJ’s and some cash or maybe another record. I have one NJ that is pretty nice. I have a sealed Liberty night dreamer its worth at least $500 according to eBay now LOL. I am open to ideas. You can email me direct to vitalrecords@gmail.com
thanks
jeff
March 27th, 2011 at 2:11 am
Hi vinylmartyr,I have a vg+ (vinyl + cover) copy of open sesame that I don’t mind trading with you for one of your saxaphone colossus. Let me know
March 26th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Aaron: I meant to say “presenting” as per the rear of the sleeve. You are right, Savoy is “Introducing”.
March 26th, 2011 at 2:44 am
Rudolph,
I think you mean “Indeed!” but he also has the Savoy album “Introducing…”
March 25th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Just noticed that our friend Bob Djukic is back with over 1000 records. One of them being an original Introducing Lee Morgan BLP 1538.
March 24th, 2011 at 6:35 am
dottorjazz,re:bobdj-that’s a good ‘catch’(bob’s description ignores the obvious ny label and the “r”s)…I’m with you all the way. “An educated consumer is the best customer”,but the consumer has a responsibility to educate themselves,a point too often ignored.
vinylmartyr-with (3)copies of Sax Colossus you are thrice-blessed! Most of us won’t see that in a lifetime of collecting! My UA LP copy of Open Sesame is holding up pretty well,thank you. “All Or Nothing At All” is good for whatever ails you,regardless of format…
March 24th, 2011 at 1:24 am
sorry about the double post but theres a couple of records I am looking for. I am looking for a copy of open sesame (who isn’t lol] by Freddie Hubbard.
I have cash and trade. I have 3 copies of Saxophone colossus. I have a stone mint copy of Art Pepper meets the rhythm section that I ccould be swayed to part with if the deal was right. Seriously probably the best copy in existence.
I have Bumps Blackwells personal copy/test pressing of Roy Porter’s “Jessica” that comes in a white sleeve that says artwork to come. I have a VG++ copy of Bird and Diz 10′ autographed by Dizzy and Buddy Rich that I got from the guy who bought it when it was released. I would not trade that I just like to mention it.
Anyone have a record with and warhol art that is a silkscreen that says giant size $1.57 the record is interviews taken in 1963 at art exhibition in washington. Here is the cover art.
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/0a98d7cac4fa72200294708d55311843/2134899.jpg
March 23rd, 2011 at 4:01 pm
sorry for Bob:there’s another one today,from djhandspeak:
http://cgi.ebay.com/CANNONBALL-ADDERLEY-Somethin-Else-RARE-BLUE-NOTE-1595-/260757178570?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3cb656c8ca
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:43 pm
look out !
Bob is back with an original first pressing of Adderley something else:http://cgi.ebay.com/CANNONBALL-ADDERLEY-SOME-ELSE-ORIG-BLUE-NOTE-MONO-LP-NM-/140526807747?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item20b80ceac3
but,what a pity,together with this Euclid:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cannonball-Adderley-Somethin-Else-Blue-Note-1595-W63rd-/380326802918?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item588d3e75e6
it’s the same old story:to be considered a good seller,one must know what he’s selling.
And to be a good and satisfied buyer,you must know what you’re buying .
March 20th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Mike, I too was surprised by the price level of the Ray Bryant on Prestige. The highest I had seen is ard 500 USD.
March 20th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
The Yen has gone up further against the dollar in the past week. Like %3-4. Combine that with the fact that Tokyo while impacted in many ways did not have the severe problems of the north could me that the Japanese buyers are still healthy.
Rudolph, you got a nice price for the Ray Bryant prestige record. I wanted to bid buy once it got over $300 I knew it wasn’t happening.
I also noticed that your Candoli record went up a day or so after another. Maybe the market couldn’t bare it.
March 20th, 2011 at 3:16 am
I should add, sold to three different buyers in Japan.
March 20th, 2011 at 3:15 am
We talked recently about the impact of the situation in Japan on our market.
I had a limited (4 records) 10 days sale which closed yesterday night.
The 3 items that sold went all to Japan (Tokyo).
Ray Bryant – Prestige 7098 for
$ 696
Ray Bryant – Epic trio radial for $ 50
Miles Davis – Prestige 7150 for $ 124.
The Cool Gabriels, Andy Warhol on Groove did not sell at $ 1246. Was sold last time for over $ 2000. I had a reserve of $ 1500.
March 17th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
correction: five leased from Debut DK
March 17th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Mike: Fontana’s secret was very high quality vinyl, like DGG, and, no doubt, a strict quality control.
Fantasy’s Debut series have four titles leased from Debut Denmark:
-6010, Oscar Pettiford
-6013, Brew Moore/Sahib Shihab/Lars Gullin
-6014, Cecil Taylor
-6015, Essen Jazz Festival stars (Hawk, O.P. Bud Powell, Kenny Clarke-6016, Albert Ayler
The other Fantasy/Debuts are from Charles Mingus’ defunct Debut label, except for 6007 (Max Roach) and 6017 (Mingus), which are Fantasy/Debut originals.
March 17th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Thanks again for the info, is thiere a sight where I could see on the Fontana discography and tell which were originally issued on Fontana and which were from another label?
Rudolph, this isn’t the first time I’ve heard that the Fontana pressing were as good if not better than the original, any reason for this or was Fontana just better at quality control? I’ve never seen the fantasy issue of “Sahib’s jazz party” but will steer clear.
March 17th, 2011 at 7:50 am
I agree with Katharsis. As a matter of fact, Debut leased some of their recordings to Phonogram in the Netherlands. They pressed the Debut masters and issued them on Fontana records, marked “A Debut recording”, but with Fontana labels. At the same time Debut Denmark leased also some masters to Fantasy, who issued them in their Debut series.
The Fontana pressings were excellent, even better than the Danish originals, the Fantasy pressings were lousy.
There is no doubt that the Danish debuts are the only originals.
March 17th, 2011 at 4:39 am
Mike, this comes totally out of the blue, but I’d say, that the Debut is more rare.
March 16th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Thanks Jan, I’ve been listening to his Euro recordings over the past year or so. I have sentiments but will check out the others. I never paid much attention to his U.S. recordings, I think he came into his own as a composer whenever he moved to Europe.
March 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Mike I also like the European recordings of Sahib Shihab.
You should consider listening to Johnny Griffin s Lady heavy bottoms waltz on German Vogue label , it also features Sahib.
A very nice recording is Sentiments on Danish Storyville(this is not so expensive)and I also like Sahib s Companionship (also on German vogue )
March 16th, 2011 at 9:48 am
That’s what I thought, they both are first pressings just in different markets. Any idea which is more rare? Popsike shows them both fetching nice prices and I don’t think they come up all that often.
People think Blue Note is complicated, but as a non-european I find European jazz releases way more of a mystery.
Thanks Katharsis
March 16th, 2011 at 8:03 am
To my knowledge, the “Debut” and “Fontana” were both released 1964 and therefore could be considered equal.
The first is the original Danish pressing while the latter is the original Dutch pressing.
March 15th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Anyone here familiar with Sahib Shihab’s “Shihab’s Jazz Party”? I have the Japanese CD and have been longing for an original for a while now. I can’t figure out though, what is the original. I’ve seen three different versions, A Fontana, A Debut, and a Japanese press(obviously not the original). Which is the original, the Fontana or Debut? Or is it that they are both the original, depending on what market you are in?
Thanks
March 14th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Correct, green with Thad s picture and yellow print, hope it will arrive soon.
I will report about the listening experience then.
March 14th, 2011 at 3:06 am
Jan: P.S.
I have five Nixa albums. Three with Metronome material from Sweden which came out there in 45 rpm only. So it is good to have it on LP. Two others with UK recordings (Don Rendell and Tenorama, a collection of British tenors).
Nixa made big money with their Chris Barber albums, a trad group very popular in Europe. I saw them in concert in Scheveningen!
March 14th, 2011 at 2:59 am
Jan, congratulations with your Nixa 13. It is equivalent to Period 1208. Regarding the quality of Nixa pressings, I would guess that they are at least equal, if not better than the Periods.
To fresh up my mind, is the cover of the Nixa green, with a picture of Thad and yellow letters? I may have seen it in the UK at the time.
March 14th, 2011 at 12:52 am
Rudolf, yesterday I won a copy of Thad Jones Mad Thad (Nixa) on ebay.
Is this issue equivalent to the US pressing on period rec. ?
How about the pressing quality of the british issue ?
I am sure you have a copy or at least had the chance to listen to it.
Thanks Jan.
March 13th, 2011 at 3:55 am
Japhy: Cynical, as it may appear, I asked myself the same question, since I have a few records on auction (Ray Bryant Trio on Prestige NY and on Epic and Cool Gabriels Andy Warhol).
I think the impact will be negative for sellers.
EBay policy makes it very difficult to enter into contact with buyers, as Ceedee suggested.
March 12th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
“Am I way off base in wondering this?”-probably. I think anyone who has a number of repeat business partners in Japan would fire off an e-mail asking about their safety. That’s the least anyone can do. The rest of it seems pretty irrelevant right now-or maybe that’s just me.
March 12th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
SUBJECT: Will disaster in Japan have ripple effect on eBay Jazz sales?
First off, all good thoughts and prayers to the gods of your choice are with the victims of recent tragic events in Japan. It’s hard to comprehend the magnitude. And it’s with no macabre underpinnings that, as a buyer and seller of jazz on eBay, after the disaster hit I almost immediately wondered: Will this impact Jazz sales on eBay? Are there enough people impacted in Japan that we might expect to see a dip in sales to that country (as well as a decrease in competition for buyers)? Should Jazz sellers wait a while for Japan to recover? Included in this are the related disruptions in things like transportation, power, the postal system, diversion of funds to repair homes and businesses, etc. Am I way off base in wondering this?
March 12th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Here’s a great conversation with Wayne Shorter from 2/11-the word “interview” does not do it justice. Thanks to WBGO’s Josh Jackson for his informal-and informative-format.
http://www.wbgo.org/thecheckout/wayne-shorter-the-newark-flash/comment-page-1/#comment-485
March 10th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
No, it’s not an original UK pressing of A Love Supreme. This is what an original UK pressing looks like: http://www.popsike.com/1965-UK-Original-JOHN-COLTRANE-LP-A-LOVE-SUPREME/390092920943.html
March 10th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Welcome to the club,jazzvinyl.ru. If there is anyone who knows what,as I understand it-the original first UK pressing of A Love Supreme looks like-they probably visit here from time to time. Since,as someone once said-”This must be the place cause there ain’t no other place around this place!” Or words to that effect…
March 10th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Hi everybody. I’m new here and want to say many thanks to the creators – always want to be in touch with modern prices on rare records.
I also have a little question. My friend recently bought a UK press of Coltrane’s Love Supreme. I never dealt with UK pressings and I’m after the US one, but want to know if it is an original..
the link on the label is
http://cs11168.vkontakte.ru/u39004/105186398/x_6bbd8c58.jpg
many thanks
March 7th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Terry, If you scroll down this page to about 12/30/10 or so you can read the discussion we had on the Music Matters series. Different people had some different opinions. Mine is that they sound great and are quite pricey. Does the fact that they are 45 rpm or that they were remastered make them sound better. I tend to think that the benefits of a top quality remasters(pure analog from the master tapes{when they exist}) are greater than the benefits from the 45 rpm. I enjoy them a lot but that opinion wasn’t universal. There website is an interesting read for anyone with some interest in Blue Note. Maybe get one, see how you like it and go from there.
March 7th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
OK, here is a question. I see that Al has an ad on his site from a company that is doing BN reissues on 12 inch LP at 45rpm. I understand the concept behind this, however, has anyone actually purchased and/or heard one of these? Does the difference in speed really make a large enough difference to justify the cost? Also, what is the source material, original mater tapes or vinyl recordings taken to digital?
Thanks again,
Terry
March 7th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Rudolf.
Thanks for the info, very helpful. I guess it’s time to search for a good Vogue web site.
Terry
March 7th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Have you all seen this auction recently:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150568541851&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
The remarkable thing about it was, that the record had the “Ear” just on side one. Did anyone hear something like that before?
March 6th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Terry: as a general rule, no. Although sometimes they come close, as is the case of Miles Davis #2 BLP 5022. The French is identical, whereas the Brit is a variation on the French issue of 5013 (LD 122). The French and English 5013 are different from the US version, they have made a collage out of the front pictures on the US cover.
# 5044, Elmo Hope qnt, US version, Elmo sitting on a chair with a dog, the UK version has several pictures taken during the recording session.
Clifford Brown # 5032 has a French issue which has totally different art work. The Brit is similar to the French.
Please note that the French and English catalogue numbers were not the same as the US, also the French and English issues have each different catalogue numbers. They always make reference to Blue Note Records, NY on the labels.
My first Blue Note ever was French Vogue LD 122, the equivalent of # 5013, Miles Davis sextet.
March 6th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Thanks Rudolf. Do you know if they used the same cover art?
March 5th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Terry: the only countries which had contemporaneous issues of Blue Note, were France and the UK. As a matter of fact, French Vogue/Jazz Sélection and UK Vogue issued national issues of 10″ Blue Note sessions (i.a. Elmo Hope, Clifford Brown, Gil Mellé). 12″ Blue Notes were never issued in French or British contemporaneous pressings.
March 5th, 2011 at 9:26 am
OK, question for the BN experts (seems to be a lot of them here). I have, from time to time, seen eBay auctions for BNs from non-US countries, specifically Germany, France, the UK & I believe Italy. From the prices asked, some of them must have been issued about the same time as the first release in the US. Does anyone know the answer(s) to any of the following questions regarding original releases (I’m not interested in modern reissues such as all of the Japanese releases):
1. Which other countries had contemporaneous releases with the US?
2. Were the releases deep groove, RVG, ear, Inc., ® etc that would match up with their US counterparts?
3. What about addresses on the labels and covers?
4. Why do these sell for only a fraction of the prices for US releases?
5. What about reissues for non-US releases?
The same questions would apply for 78’s (I have never seen a non-US BN 78) and 45’s (45’s were issued in Japan at the same time as in the US (any other countries?)).
I imagine that this will also raise questions about non-US contemporary releases for other major labels such as Prestige, Riverside, etc.
There, that should keep everyone busy this weekend!!!
Regards,
Terry
March 4th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Regarding the “9M” in the deadwax of early Blue Notes: I found a 10″ Sarah Vaughn record on the budget Royale label that has “9C” in the deadwax in the same script and spot as the “9M” on Blue Notes. Was it “9D” that was on some early Prestiges? I still wonder about this mystery mark.
March 2nd, 2011 at 1:24 pm
…Who needs the Kennedy Centre Honours, when Sonny is being awarded “the highest award given to artists and arts patrons by the United States Government” It is also considerered “the highest honor conferred to an individual artist on behalf of the people”… This makes up for last years oversight I say.
March 2nd, 2011 at 11:34 am
p.s. – Sonny’s website also has the full announcement with all the background on the award ceremony today:
http://www.sonnyrollins.com/
March 1st, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Thanks for the heads-up Don-Lucky. Bravo to Sonny and for the well-deserved and delayed recognition. I’ll do a separate post as soon as I get a chance. Great news to a long-time Newk fan.
March 1st, 2011 at 4:34 pm
SONNY ROLLINS ONE OF 10 RECIPIENTS OF 2010 NATIONAL MEDAL OF ARTS !!!
AWARD TO BE PRESENTED AT THE WHITE HOUSE BY PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 2
Watch at http://www.whitehouse.gov/live at 1:45 p.m. ET
February 23rd, 2011 at 5:33 pm
LKL 12 47 D5 in deadwax
My guess is that’s it’s a 60′s pressing. Label is the yellow/black DG.
Don’t know much about this D!,D2 etc. stuff.
February 23rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
Tim,
That does not sound like a Contemporary matrix number to me. If you can post the matrix numbers, perhaps we can track it from there
T
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 am
The Kessel is D5 in deadwax—I wondered if that meant if it was later? Not sure what to make of the stampings. Hope it’s a 1st!
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 am
Tim,
I do not know the exact month of the Kessell release. 1956 was when the change-over from flat edge to safety lip occured (sometime around June/July I think). It will be hard to say if this is a ‘first’ or a ‘later first’. I believe you are correct regarding the label colors.
T
February 21st, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Thanks for the help. The Kessel is not a flatedge. So the MONO were always the black/yellow, and the STEREO were Black label and then Green label later in the 60′s?
February 21st, 2011 at 11:52 am
Tim,
Rollins is a reissue from ’65 or ’66. Kessell is probably a ’56 first press. Is the Kessell a flat edge?
T
February 21st, 2011 at 10:09 am
Hi everybody. Trying to get info on Contemporary–think I’ve got it, but was hoping I could it confirmed. Bought what I thought was a 1st presses this weekend, but now I think they are 60′s repress:
-Sonny Rollins and the Contemporary Leaders S 7564 dark green “contemporary records” deep groove label with gold lettering (LKS 63 D2 in deadwax)
also later press, I think:
-Barney Kessel Standards Vol 2. C 3512 yellow/black deep groove label (LKL 12 47 D5 in deadwax)
Both were inexpensive and nice records, just trying to learn what’s what. Thanks for the help.
February 21st, 2011 at 8:35 am
To Japhy:re OP,it looks like a lazy bidder,a lucky seller..or both! Sometimes you just want the damn record,I guess.
To Katy B: I’m not gonna get in the middle of this one(much),but I think the caution shown by Andy is what any experienced buyer might show towards a new seller.And if the seller posts an item and says,basically,”these aren’t pictures of my item,but it looks like this”-well…
If you’re dealing with the “new seller blues” -and most of us have been there-ask for help. Whether it’s pricing budget lps(Bird) or taking better photos of possibly rare ones(Evans),your sales will only improve as a result. And speaking as someone who once mailed the wrong lp to a winning bidder-until I learned to initial the mailer on the front BEFORE placing an lp within(DUH!)-it’s never to late to learn. And welcome to Ebay!
February 21st, 2011 at 1:04 am
Message to ANDY”,
I just saw the post you wrote (I listed below), I am the ebay seller of this record and do not understand what you are confused about, I only had one copy of this record and it was sold properly so please futher explain your comment-
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Andy Says:
January 24th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jazz-Lee-Morgan-CITY-LIGHTS-Blue-Note-New-York-23-side1-/320646358565?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item4aa8032625#ht_500wt_1090
I’ve seen this one up several times already and I feel it’s sold more than once.. seller has zero feedback.. seems a little spammy to me.”
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In Response to Andys Comment above
KATY SAYS:
- I sold the one copy I had of this record once, Your “feeling” is incorrect & I do not appreciate you badmouthing me, also I had zero feedback because I had just started selling on ebay. So, if you still do have any questions, regarding the City Lights Record, I’m willing to provide any answers for you Andy. THANKS ALOT
-Katy B.
February 20th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Does the sale price on this one baffle anyone else? http://cgi.ebay.com/OSCAR-PETERSON-TRIO-1965-VERVE-LP-WE-GET-REQUESTS-NM-/370484061855?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item564292269f
February 16th, 2011 at 9:31 am
From the web:
This Wednesday, February 16 from 5:00am to 9:00pm, WKCR will dedicate a memorial broadcast to the pianist George Shearing, who passed away on February 14 at the age of 91.
WKCR(89.9FM) is the radio station of Columbia University,and has been a staple of the New York jazz community for many decades. You can find them on the web,honoring a great(and too often under-rated) pianist,Sir George Shearing.
February 12th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Earl,
I’m not sure if this will answer your question but here is a great site for Mercury/Emarcy: http://microgroove.jp/mercury/Labels_EmArcy.shtml
February 11th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
I understand that early Emarcy labels have the classic Drummer – it also appears that there was first a large drummer and later a small drummer – first, am I right, and, second, does anyone know at what number they made the switch?
February 11th, 2011 at 6:49 am
I don’t know, if I’ve asked this before, but could anybody please tell me the last DG pressing on Pacific Jazz? And was there a difference between Stereo and Mono?
Many thanks…
February 9th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Good eyes Aaron, it’s harder to notice on some labels and with some pictures. Round again is a very reputable seller which is why I was a bit confused.
February 9th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Allen Mezquida is a talented animator,and from the sound of it,someone who is equally comfortable playing the saxophone. His “Smigley” character is a delight,although you never know whether to laugh or cry. His “I Heart Jazz” is a fine example of his biting humor(thanks to Jazzwax for recently hipping me to his work).
http://smigly.tv/video/smigly-i-heart-jazz/
February 9th, 2011 at 11:55 am
It looks like a deep groove to me, look at the lower area where the silver ring doesn’t obscure it.
February 8th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
I was watching the auction for Dexter Gordons Daddy Plays the Horn . This should have a Deep groove right?
February 8th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
How do you feel about buying a record with the previous owner’s address sticker on the label? As a buyer would you prefer to have the seller remove, possibly leaving a mark where the sticker was, or leave that decision to you?
February 6th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Correction: Dennis Stock passed in January,2010…
February 6th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Man,oh,man. It seems as if every other week there is another death in the jazz world. Today I just learned of the passing-several weeks ago- of Dennis Stock,a favorite photographer. His images of James Dean and Miles Davis,among others,are well known not only to their fans,but to anyone with a passing knowledge of these American icons. To many,Stock was on that level in his field-a real artist. You can learn more and view a brief slide show here:
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/parting-4/
February 4th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Hello All – Mike with EBAY you never know
February 4th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
I was watching this auction for Brilliant Corner by roundagain here.
I remember the auction a few months back where this record in M-/M- fetched around $900 when auctioned by Music Matters. The one above fetched slightly less than $200. It’s M-/VG+ so there cover is not of the same quality but the record seems to be. Both are respected sellers. So what am I missing? Was the one a few months ago overpriced?
January 29th, 2011 at 5:53 am
great post Mike!!
i think a part of it has to do with how much empathy one has.. unconcious you project yourselve in someones life, and so also “feel” his pain etc, then you project that on the music, feelin’ sorry for him(and yourselve)…. i think
But i agree, the more you know, the more you care
and i too think that his music is really outstanding(especialy Leapin’ and Loopin’
January 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I agree Ceedee, the more I know about about an artist/album/scene history the more I appreciate the listening experience. I can’t explain it, but every time I learn something new and I re-listen to a favorite record it becomes even more involving.
January 27th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Mike-many thanks for providing the link on Sonny Clark. It’s info like this that enlightens the listening experience so much more than the standard “first pressing,deep groove” conversations. The fact that so much beautiful music was created under harrowing and often self-destructive conditions-”the jazz life”- makes for a compelling,though tragic,story. That’s a book I want to read.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Thanks, o enjoyed it too. I ordered the authors book on amazon hoping about the jazz loft scene. I do hope he wirites a book on sonny as he seems to have an interesting perspective on Sonny the man. There is relatively little iknown about him as well which would make it a must read for me.
January 26th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
thank you for the Sonny Clark link. terrific.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
For Any Sonny Clark fans out there, check out these two part article by Sam Stephenson. I’ve been a huge Sonny fan for years and this had lots of cool info that I never knew.
Part 1
Part 2
January 25th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
and look at this one too,from the Master:
Rudolf Says:
July 19th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Robert: you say 9 M, why not 6 W ?
Your question remains very valid anyway.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
first question:not rare
second question:I copy and paste from don- lucky
don-lucky Says:
July 19th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
In response to Robert Orenstein’s question re: The 9M in the runoffs, here is a quote from some of Larry / Fred Cohen’s research:
“9M appears on the Masters and very rarely just the stampers in the specific case of McLean 4024 (NOT a function of the Master though I always assumed they were!) of early Blue Notes 12” LPs and some 10” LPs too, usually at 3:00 in the runoff, when the catalog number is viewed in its usual 6:00 position. Fred Cohen speculated that this is an identification of Mastercraft , a mastering company. Prestige Records sometimes have a 7M so it could be a “meta” code, not referring to a record company but back at the manufacturing level. The significance of the 9M still remains is a mystery.”
January 25th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Hi gentlemen,
2 questions for the mentors!!
a.-I was wondering how rare is the following lp:
Thelonious Monk BN 1510, New York USA label,deep groove both sides with RVG,P, and 9 M etched in the dead wax
b.- I also trying to understand the meaning of 9M
Is someone could be kind enough to help me out with these ones.
thanks
sl
January 25th, 2011 at 5:05 am
I’ve recorded three different issues:
double sided 47 west 63rd New York 23
23 side two only
23 side one only (for sale now)and this is the first time I see this coupling.
maybe Andy has seen 23 side two only,before.
January 24th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jazz-Lee-Morgan-CITY-LIGHTS-Blue-Note-New-York-23-side1-/320646358565?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item4aa8032625#ht_500wt_1090
I’ve seen this one up several times already and I feel it’s sold more than once.. seller has zero feedback.. seems a little spammy to me.
January 24th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
A look through popsike was inconclusive. Checked out all the pics with stereo labels. DG was mentioned on one. On all the rest it was not mentioned or couldn’t tell from pic. The pressing I have has a “ridge” punched into the label, but not a deepgroove like a Blue Note album, so it’s hard to say. May be a 1st stereo pressing, but is likely to be a 2nd pressing. Looks like the 1st mono pressing have deepgrooves from what I can tell.
January 24th, 2011 at 1:18 am
Yes. Sounds exactly like the pressing I have.
January 24th, 2011 at 1:06 am
Tim,
Like you I got Lee Morgan VeeJay 3007 with red STEREO sticker on the right front cover, and the rainbow/oval label in NO DG. Also the record label is “microgroove” and no “stereo” is printed on the label. The record plays like a stereo recording. Isn’t strange ?
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
This might be a stereo first press, some labels would release the stereo later. Mine is a Mono DG. Of the stereo was released a year or two later it might not have DGs.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Ok. It says VJLP-3007 on the album, but with a stereo sticker on the front. It is a stereo record. Does it have to be DG to be 1st press, or not necessarily? It is the correct “rainbow/oval” label.
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Tim: i think the first mono pressing should have the deep groove
see popsike, ebay
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Hi Everybody. Quick question: I got Lee Morgan VeeJay LP 3007—from my research it has the correct label and everything checks out. It has no DG, but I’ve seen some with that label that do. What does this mean? Thanks.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Very True
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Yes, but the burden…
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Well, since the seller stated it was a Lexington Press the buyer will have recourse to get there money back hopefully.
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Aaron, I know it’s UA – I asked for the label picture..
Sure, someone will be upset !
But look at the upside:
Usualy auction like this ends with one happy winner and many unhappy loosers. This time we’ll have one unhappy winner with many happy loosers !
January 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
That’s a very high number for a non NM record without all of the appropriate info.
January 22nd, 2011 at 2:26 pm
How do you know it’s a UA pressing? He claims it’s original so if it’s not someone will be mighty upset!
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 am
#140501256785 Jutta Hipp with Zoot Sims Blue Note 1530
The above item is “United Artists” pressing and not original “Lexington” !!
I hope I help someone…
January 20th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Bill and Dottorjazz,
thanks and I also found the article with addresses in SF.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:06 am
I’ve been goin’up to Jazz Quarters the last 30 years,anytime I traveled west.’t was the most dusty shop I can remember,packed with record boxes everywhere,difficult to look at and to walk through.Also not a good part of Frisco:my wife came once only and refused to come again:nothing interesting around.Prices were fair,mint records or BNs impossible to find.Usually I could find west coast 10″:the one I remember is George Redman on Skylark,first pressing with Bob Gordon and Herbie Harper,1954.The last time I was there I spent everything I had with me:got to pay the cab credit card.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:50 am
Check the comments from the June 25, 2010 column – An Lp Trip To NY. All the record stores in the Bay Area are mentioned. Unfortunately, the Jazz Quarters is no longer open as the owner.Tom Madden passed away. He’s greatly missed.
January 19th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Hi Aaron and Ceedee,
thanks for the tips.
I will definitively be following your suggestions.
As per Ceedee’s suggestion and instead of wearing flowers, I will bring my flower power shirt !!! like the Mama’s and the Papa’s or like Jimmy Hendrix.
Probably fits OK on Market street or at the Fisherman’s Wharf ..
driving a BMW.
How’s that !!!
January 19th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Rockies:while you’re in San Fran,you might want to contact Matt at Pitch Perfect Audio.
http://www.pitchperfectaudio.com/
He owns that killer hi-fi shop and is a serious jazz buff.He could give you the local”where to”,for sure. And since you’re going to SF,be sure to wear some flowers in your hair…or we could make that optional!
January 19th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Rockies,
Definitely make the trip to the East Bay to go to Groove Yard records. They specialize in vintage jazz vinyl. Here’s a link: http://www.myspace.com/grooveyardjazz
January 19th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Hi,
I will be visiting San Francisco
shortly.
Is someone could help me out by providing me with the best Jazz record stores in SF.
Thanks in advance
January 19th, 2011 at 3:21 am
definetly gray
January 18th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I’m pretty sure the gray cover came first as they all seem to have records with NYC labels while some blue covers have records with NYC labels but most are Bergenfield.
January 18th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Can anyone tell me which is the earlier cover of Prestige 7012, Miles Davis “Dig” in 12″ format…Is is grey or blue/green? Thanks in advance….
January 14th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
@Aaron: Yes, that’s it! It’s magic…I haven’t done anything and this auction disappeared and I couldn’t find it again.
January 14th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Katharsis,
This one? http://cgi.ebay.com/OUT-AFTERNOON-ROY-HAYNES-ROLAND-KIRK-SIGNED-/350429348023?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item51973780b7
January 14th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
rockies; non-cynical…. what i ment was: thanks, mr. Cohen
January 14th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Has anyone followed Roy Haynes’ “Out of the afternoon” which had been signed by Haynes, that should have ended today?
There were 8 bids and the price was at $58, but about 5 minutes before closing, this auction totally disappeared. I couldn’t trace it throught my ebay. Has anyone had similar experiences?
January 13th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Hi Marteen,
thanks for your comments. I was wondering how I should interpret your question mark.
thanks
January 12th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
where is that statue of Fred Cohen???????????
January 12th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Hi,
I just bought and received the new Blue Note book from Mr.Fred Cohen ( Jazz Record Center ) and I would like to use that tribune to express my gratitude for this amazing document. It was fascinating to go through the book, comparing FC’s notes with my vinyls and appreciate the details and confirm my master(original) copies.
Chapeau and KUDO to Mr.Cohen and his friends.
PS: Mr.Cohen,as a suggestion and if the time and resources permit it, you should do the same exercise with Prestige, Atlantic etc..I would invest in that(these) book(s) without a doubt.
I’m positive that you would/could have a great success !!!
many thanks
January 8th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Thanks Aaron, if that is the case, then I guess I really lucked out on this one, and it is near mint !
January 5th, 2011 at 2:21 am
don-lucky,
I find it far more likely that the non-DG pressing was pressed at that same time as the DG, just at a different pressing plant. Verve records in the late 60′s that were pressed on the West coast have a deep groove while their East coast counterparts have no DG, just a small ring.
January 4th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
…I have a copy of Giant Steps with a non-deep groove black label in my collection that I picked up on an impulsive purchase once awhile back. They seem to be a bit more common on eBay these days as sellers hope to cash in on some of the residual demand for their DG contemporaries. I believe we debated this one in a posting early last year, and we came to the conclusion that it was probably a third pressing, after the DG Black label, and DG Bullseye label… Despite the lack of DG, it still sounds great, and can usually picked up for much more reasonable prices… On a side note, did anyone catch the NPR broadcast of Ravi Coltrane live at the Village Vanguard ? If not, it can be downloaded off the NPR website, and Ravi even plays Giant Steps near the end of the set in tribute to his father ! Great series at an infamous venue for anyone who loves live Jazz.
January 4th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Either way,black label Atlantics are hard to find..agreed?
January 4th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Aaron, I caught that “Giant Steps” too. I’ve never seen a non-deep groove black label. Note on that inner sleeve too that there are many LPs not yet released in 1959. Well, those of us here can hem and haw, but if he’s conscious of his misleading listings then that’s a real shame. Either way, he’s laughing all the way to the bank (or PayPayl).
January 4th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Every time one of his big auctions come up I sift through the whole thing. He has good stuff, but there are many that he claims as “originals” that are not “first” pressings. Again the semantics issue. Also, he is the king of hyperbole. I understand some trumping up the auction, but when you have 1300 items that are all “ultra rare” it is a bit nauseating.
January 4th, 2011 at 3:00 am
our friend Djukic has (or had, I saw it some days ago) a Monk album Riv 12-300 – Orch. at Town Hall, with a lettering type ofthe name Riverside (right on top) which is definitely 3rd issue. He claims it is an original first pressing.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
The price on that Jack Johnson Soundtrack is more than insane. Another thing that folks here might find interesting is the non-deep groove black label copy of Giant Step he has listed: http://cgi.ebay.com/JOHN-COLTRANE-GIANT-STEPS-ORIG-59-MONO-LP-BLACK-LABEL-/140495464977?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item20b62eaa11
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:28 pm
You guys have probably seen that seller bobdjukic is back in full force in the new year; the usual amusing claims and fantastic accolades (and occasional inaccuracies) continue to adorn his listings. The price on this made my eyes pop out Miles Davis – Jack Johnson. What in God’s name is going on here? Sure it’s one of the more rare Columbia LPs but I still see it fairly often and it’s not even in the price guide here at Jazz Collector. Still 5 days to go. What gives?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:30 am
Remember what one recent “Prayer Meeting” went for?-here’s one more sensibly priced. Aren’t you glad you waited?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jimmy-Smith-Prayer-Meetin-BN-NY-Mono-Ear-Vangelder-NM-/260701824497?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3cb30a25f1
January 1st, 2011 at 9:21 pm
It’s true, Blue Note 4003 Art Blakey was the last session to have a dedicated mono mix, after that all the mono mixes were created from the stereo tape (as seen on the tape boxes). If you sum the channels on the stereo albums after 4003 you will have the mono mix.
January 1st, 2011 at 7:12 pm
I was reading Music Matters website to get background on how their reissues are produced. Check out this link: http://musicmattersjazz.com/sound.html
Read the “mono vs. stereo” section, particularly the part about how after ’57 (they claim), RVG had both stereo & mono masters, then in ’58, started creating mono masters FROM stereo masters.
To Al, Rudolf, and the vets here, do we know if this is really true or just hype from Music Matters? If so, what does that really mean about the sound difference between stereo and mono BNs ’57 and later?
January 1st, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Dr. J, this rook is inspired. Copying your quote and taping to my record shelf. A toast to more shelf space in 2011! Happy hunting and Happy New Year everyone!
December 31st, 2010 at 6:34 pm
my best jazzy new year to all cats following Jazz Collector,rookies and oldies.get on searching,listening,winning or losing but never give up.that bloody single record you can’t live without is somewhere out there.go and get it.happy 2011.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:49 am
“we must gather shoes!!!”
December 31st, 2010 at 6:28 am
I stand corrected – checking, the G/G Idle Moments I have is “(c)2009 Analogue Productions,45rpm Limited Edition, manufactured by EMI Special Markets” So I guess Analogue Production get credit for the sound and EMI get zero score for manufacturing. Apologies for any slur on Music Matters.(Memo to myself: always check before mouthing off)
I have too few other labels but of what I have, none bear the mark 9M.
Its rarely productive to look for meaning where there is none. Vz, Monty Python’s Life of Brian, The fallen Shoe. “He has given us a sign!”…)Case closed.
December 31st, 2010 at 5:13 am
i had some 45 rpm analogue and music matters.Beautifully made, good sound, but in the end the 45rpm ‘system’ is too ‘far away’ from an original.That is why i like the ‘classic records’ reissues from bluenotes. Mono, 200 grams, original cover,original labels and deep grooves.
(if originals are too expensive)
LONDEN callong: the ’9m’ engraving looks the same to me as i have seen on (f.e.) jj johnson, lex. labels.The ‘long’ 9 and the ‘M’ look exact.Mayby it was on a stamp, but it has nothing to do with the lp, but more with the machine. Is it also been seen on other labels??
December 30th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Aaron, thanks for that info. I didnt know they were done by the same team. I have only heard two analogue productions 45s, Green street and The Tokyo Blues. The both sounded less warm than the originals to me. But they are extremely detailed, and sound very clean. I have a much larger sampling of music matters which is probably due to some subconscious bias from a small sample of listenings to to few records. I do have a bunch of the analogue productions SACDs and enjoy them. I love there impukse reissues as well, with A Love Supreme and Blues & The Abstract Truth being my two favorites.
December 30th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Thanks Mike, LC, and Aaron for your insights. I’ll always prefer affordable originals, but to me sound quality is most important, so if I can find excellent reissues that can fill in for OGs out of my reach, then I’d like to know which ones to look out for.
December 30th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
L.C., just to clarify, Idle Moments was part of the Analogue Productions 45rpm series, not Music Matters.
Mike, the sound between the Music Matters and Analogue Productions Blue Note reissues was done at the same facility and by the same team so any sonic differences are most likely just because it was a different session.
December 30th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Billy Taylor was playing on 52nd street with Bird,Hawk,Ben and Billie long before most of the readers of this blog were born.He founded Jazzmobile,which brought jazz to the streets for free performances for young and old. His voice was heard over the radio first as a dj,and then around the world as the eloquent spokesman for Jazz Alive,which broadcast performances over the airwaves. He was player,composer,author,educator and about the finest ambassador of jazz one could ask for. The memorial service info isn’t known yet,but if you can get there-wherever it’s held-it’s a no-brainer. Here’s today’s NYT obit-
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/arts/music/30taylor.html?_r=1&hpw
December 30th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
L.C.,
I can agree that they are definitely a bit warmer and definitely have more bass. This becomes a preference thing. The Analogue productions re-issues(which I like less and don’t have as many) have less bass and sound much more neutral.
But I haven’t expereienced the Music Matters having a lot of pops and clicks. I usually wash new vinyl in the RCM, because there are usually some debris that I’ve always heard is from the pressing process(I’ve heard plenty out the box records that don’t require washing though so I’m a bit skeptical of this). But even if I don’t wash there are only a few light pops that are removed when I wash. I could understand people’s frustration with the idea that brand new vinyl needs a wash. I think it’s ridiculous. I do wash all my music matters, and a few other reissue labels for that matter just because certain labels benefit from it and it’s not a big deal for me. But Caveat Emptor, these do have light debris and can use a wash.
For some of these, it’s definately not much more expensive to buy an original or even a liberty pressing(which to me are good subs). The music matters 45′s will most likely never be highly collectible while originals will, so from an investment perspective it’s not the greatest idea. But, I can’t quite afford “Candy” as an original at the moment and I much prefer it to my J-toshiba press. I have an original of “Point of Departure” and a few others but find myself prefereing the Music Matters. i don’t plan to dump the originals though.
December 30th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Music Matters
I have only one of these pricey little babies , Grant Green Idle Moments, a record I have also on cd, on a Scorpio, and now most recently on NY OG labels (even more pricey!)
So I have reference points against which to judge the
audiophile qualities, including the benchmark of its original vinyl issue.
I have no others, so I can’t speak for them, good or bad.
It falls a long way short of the Holy Grail it claims to be. For openers the vinyl itself was full of debris in the grooves. First play would get only a “Fair” Grading against Goldmine standards.It was shocking.
A good wash through the RCM cleared 90% but its still got more than its fair share of clicks and pops for a sealed mint pressing.
Sonically its too warm and bassy for me. NY OG sounds right,a little dry but sizzling with huge presence, Music Matters doesn’t. Its certainly a lot better than any reissues, but it does not make the grade and at around $60 I expected a lot more.
Personally I wouldn’t buy another.I’d wait to find an affordable copy of the real thing. Mind you for some of these titles that could be a wait forever.
December 30th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Maarten – the great 9M mystery.
I’ve put up a photo of the 9M I found on Sidney Bechet Volume 1
(recordings 1952-7)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19121992@N00/5302542773/
I have it also on Genius of Modern Music Vol 2, and you mention a couple of other sightings
One question in my mind is whether the engraving is identical in every case ie, its a function of say pressing machine number nine which signifies something in the pressing plant, or whether it is an individual signature mark and slightly different each time.
The second is whether it is universal ie found on every copy of said pressing, or just odd ones.
Anyone can come up with answers, but as they say, the hard bit is coming up with the right question.
December 30th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Henry,
I’ve been a big advocate of the music matters series if you are enjoy reissues. There are a few drawbacks though which are obvious
1) have to change sides twice as often
2) pricey
If you can get over this, the music matters series is great. They maintain the blue note warmth, but have deeper tighter bass, more detail, and are quiet as a mouse.
My three favorites so far are “candy”, 1568, and “Point of departure”.
December 30th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Interesting NY Times article from this past August about 45rpm reissues from Music Matters and Analogue:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/arts/music/08jazz.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
Can anyone here testify to the sound quality of reissues from these companies?
December 30th, 2010 at 5:47 am
Bill: that is great news. Do you have the title to??
December 29th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Just a quick note to let you know that Fred’s new Blue Note book is now for sale at the Jazz Record Center. Hooray.
December 29th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
There have been a number of losses this year in the jazz community,the most recent being James Moody-until now. Ck out the very informative website of the late Billy Taylor for the sad details:
http://www.billytaylorjazz.com/index.php
December 29th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
this one is also a bit curious.Lou Takes Off. But on ONE side it DOES have the trademark ‘R’.. Ithought this one had borh sides no ‘R’??… (This LP has also been seen with the ’9M’ engraving.)
http://cgi.ebay.com/LOU-DONALDSON-LOU-TAKES-OFF-BLUE-NOTE-1591-/200559592693?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2eb24884f5#ht_1327wt_1141
December 29th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
here is another BN that has the”9M” engraved…. does anyone allready knows what that is about?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sonny-Clark-Sonnys-Crib-Blue-Note-1576-Original-Mono-/110627941505?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item19c1f06c81#ht_563wt_907
December 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Sorry to hear about Leloir-is there anyone he DIDN’T photograph? I know “big ears” refers to a good listener,one who really hears what’s being played. Leloir clearly had those-AND he could capture the moment for posterity. What a gift! I’ll revisit my early Argo’s for Tracy’s liner notes,now with added insight. Re: JazzWax-Marc’s site is the gold standard for informative jazz blogs. A inexhaustible source of information for those who love “the music”.
December 27th, 2010 at 3:52 am
JazzWax of yesterday has two obituaries:
Jack Tracy (with interesting pictures of the Jazztet) and
Jean-Pierre Leloir, the famous French jazz photographer with some of his most famous sleeve designs (Art Blakey St. Germain; Byrd) and the entry to his website (Maarten enjoy).
December 26th, 2010 at 4:14 am
Maarten: the 1958 Blakey Olympia came out here in France in a series “collection Modern Jazz” directed by Marcel Romano with generic covers by M. Laville (only the pictures of the artists changing), catalogue number Fontana 680.202 ML. In Holland same catalogue number, however with different sleeve (grey cover photo of Art playing).
Jij ook heel veel goede wensen, en vooral goede ontdekkingen/aankopen. Rudolf
December 25th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
ceedee: every day a couple of beautifull jackets/covers …it should be mandatory!
December 25th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
rudolf:
you’re right, it is the beautifull arrangements by golson.His playing is verry well choosen and subtle
I have the rca records, never heard the ‘olympia’…i’ll go check it out.And Morgan,.. i like him so much…they say he was a nice man to with lots of humor.
Great for you that you saw those men in their prime..
i went to Rollins in het concertgebouw last month, never saw him live, so that part was great….his playing was not perfect , but the band he had with him was really awfull….strange, because bob cransaw was with them(playing electric rock-bass!!!)… BUT i have seen him alive…
“Het Vaderland” talks about standing ovations… I think the public in europe was more enthusiastic as in the US??
Beste wensen Rudolf!
December 25th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Maarten: strange enough your favourite Jazz Messengers unit, with Benny Golson and Lee, was recorded only once in the US (BLP 4003), against four albums in Paris: the French Fontana album recorded at the Olympia, and the French RCA (three volumes) at the Club St Germain, all four in the months November and December 1958.
December 25th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
I know it’s a link that has been posted before(somewhere),but for an appreciation of the fine art of jacket design/covers,etc.-and enough rare records to get a sweat going-check out birka jazz here-http://www.birkajazz.com/archive/columbia.htm
December 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Maarten, I heard this group live in De Kurzaal in Scheveningen on Nov. 29th, 1958. I took a very nice picture of Lee Morgan behind the scene.
The group was fantastic indeed and it was a real revelation with the advanced composing and arranging of Benny Golson. The Messengers we knew at that time from available records were the ones from 1956 with Hank and Horace on Blue Nore 1507 and 1508 and the Columbia session issued on Philips B 07.175 L.
The review in the daily “het Vaderland” concludes as follows:
Het succes, dat deze combinatie van talent zaterdagavond oogstte was ongekend. De Kurzaal was totaal uitverkocht en de ovaties van het publiek waren stormachtig.
Do I need to say anything more?
December 24th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
great version, ithink recorded in Brussels, belgium
(Rudolf, mayby you where there?)
My favourite jazz-messengers morgen and golson, great combination..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN6vCdmOV-Q&NR=1
December 21st, 2010 at 10:20 am
I’ve never seen a reprint of that album from liberty, and it is a great album(both). But that’s a lot for a non original repress. The King represses are usually around $50 give or take I think.
December 21st, 2010 at 8:42 am
Mike; That IS weird…
I know that some UA pressings are mono and have the original covers, so sometimes i like ‘m more than Liberty for example…
Mayby it was the first re-print of that album???
December 20th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
$444. Sorry for littering up the comments.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=390271691192&si=hThGZxlGREWW17F%252Fpibx1xklD8k%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
December 20th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Well it’s not letting me post html links anymore for some reason but this is the other one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=390271690656&si=hThGZxlGREWW17F%252Fpibx1xklD8k%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
December 20th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
December 20th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Sorry forgot the link
December 20th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
and the 1515
December 20th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Did anybody see these two auctions?
That’s a lot for UA pressings.
December 20th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
DaveS, I’m sure the person selling the records always improperly set up the turntable causing substantial groove wear on top of the mold and dust mites. Also, I bet the boxes had rat poop in them.
Hope that helps
December 20th, 2010 at 9:22 am
The One That Got Away!!!
Since I sometimes share my scores, I’ll share by losses.
Saw an advertisement in Craiglist for 250 Jazz/Blues Records, including Miles, Parker, Sarah V. for $100.
I called the seller at 7pm and he said that he was out at a restaurant eating dinner but that he found these old records in a warehouse he was cleaning out and wanted someone to come and pick them up. We agreed that I would call him in the morning to get the address and details.
I caled him back in the morning and sheepishly he expalined how someone drove out 70 miles each way in the middle of the night to pick up the records at his house.
While it was impossible for me to get to his house that night due to my own conflicts, it is driving me crazy wondering what was in that pile of records.
Can someone please tell me it was a bunch of beat up unplayable OJCs, smelling of smoke, covered in mold and mildew. PLEASE!!!!
December 17th, 2010 at 8:44 am
flyin’to Miami,FL,in a few days.
Probably odd question:any shop to visit in the area ?
in february I’ll be back,this time in New Orleans,LA:I’ve read of the new Euclid shop down there.
anyone visited it ?
December 17th, 2010 at 7:54 am
i already have these, but for those who haven’t: A new seller though, but some nice priced blue note’s if it is true about the NM andM gradings:
http://shop.ebay.com/interiorsbd/m.html#item2a0c9781dc
December 13th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Maarten,thanks for the link. That’s what I’d call an exhaustive look at the topic of reissue quality. I had to laugh,though,reading the following:
“Real helpful post. Sorry to say this but you are full of it.”
Here’s to the continued decorum shown by we jazzer’s at this site(so far!)lol…
December 12th, 2010 at 8:09 am
i came across an old thread on new vinyl(classic records),against japanese or liberty, etc.
for those who are interested:
http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-13558.html
December 11th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Be careful with the Goo Gone. I workks but is pretty slick/slimy. If it gets on your record at all, it is very hard to remove.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Hi Bill,
thanks for the tip. You can find the Goo gone product on Ebay .
I already bought a bottle .
…friendly suggestion: watch the shipping cost
thanks
December 11th, 2010 at 12:58 am
There’s something in the States called Goo Gone. It works a bit better than lighter fluid and is not abrasive . It’s good for labels and covers.
December 10th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
AAron and Maarten:
Instead of the lighter, use the lighter fluid. Spread it over the label with your finger, wait 15 min., then use a thin-bladed knife to peel it off and cut the glue.
December 10th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
aaron: i always use a lighter.. but it’s tricky.
You MUST NOT let the flame touch the surface, it will become black.But hold it 1 or 2 cm away,.. most of the times the old glue becomes soft…. tricky thing of labels is, they have no lamination..
This could be the beginning of the longest thread on jazzcollector…
December 9th, 2010 at 1:37 am
Anyone know a good way to remove old address labels from Blue Note labels? I tried just carefully lifting the stickers in the past on a not so great condition Liberty pressing of 4149 and it did not go so well. Today I scored very nice first pressings of 4017 and 4049 today, at $20 each I couldn’t say no
but the only problem is old address labels on the labels on each side of both records. Any help would be appreciated!
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:28 am
dottorjazz: it is a weird thing, i agree.I listen to a lot of different music, some of it i adore (james brown, js bach,mike brecker,kanye west, haydn,paul simon etcetc) BUT in the end only jazz, and to be honest only (BN) (hard)bop, goes straight in to my soul, like it is completing me just like family does….hhmmmm?!
The collecting i can explain with various psycholgical reasons, but the likening of bn hardbop not…..
December 1st, 2010 at 9:54 am
Doctor Jazz, I don’t think you are the only one with that opinion though. I’ve read comments from others on the internet who share the same opinion. I do think Jazz peaked in the late 50s/early 60s. I just think while there rate and magnitude of innovation is no where near what it was, it is still there.
I would love to see a guide, as my forays into Free Jazz are hit and miss(mostly miss).
December 1st, 2010 at 9:01 am
in front of ya all I declare I’m a sinner,and my sin is I’ve never succeded in appreciate music from mid-70′s to nowadays.I couldn’t find anything new to MY ears that could satisfy brain and guts too.of course couldn’t have listened to everything but went back to 40′s-60′s jazz again and again.
maybe my interest hasn’t been excited enough,maybe I’m not so open as I thought I was.I’ve encountered some good music but nothing that could get me up as bop,cool,hard bop,free and yes,west coast too.
I don’t know why this musical behaviour didn’t happen with classical,which I discovered later.
Can I be considered a moldy fig or a square of Mobleyan memory ?
If Al agrees,and Time allows,I would try a rare free jazz guide.A suggestion to search for $ 1000 and more ,non Blue Note records.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
@doctorJazz, I was hoping your comments about free jazz would turn into a discussion that I could spy on. For a long time I have been trying to rap my head around how I see jazz history post-bop. I don’t agree that there has been nothing new since free jazz but I have trouble making the arguement. I’m going to try though.
I don’t listen to a lot of free jazz, but I love some music that I would consider inspired by free jazz. I would lump a lot of music into this basket, Early Impulse era Coltrane, late Blue Note Wayne Shorter(JuJu is one of my favorites), Andrew Hill, late 60s/early 70s Tyner, are just a few that I enjoy and would consider to be NOT free jazz but heavily influenced by it. But in my mind there is a lot of Jazz that has transpired since the late 70s that I think of as very original. To start with, Bitches Brew. I think this is pretty original, even though it is heavily influenced by rock and funk of the time. I also consider this jazz, although I know others would take a different stance. I’m not arguing that it’s brilliant(although I think it’s a good record and captures the late 60′s well from what I’m told), on the level of what came before, I’m arguing that it’s original, and jazz. Some other albums that I can think of that are associated with certain post bop movements would be Keith Jarrett’s “Koln Concert” or Pat Metheny. These stray from the Bebop/Hard Bop formula but I don’t think far enough that they are no longer jazz. And I would call them orignal. I enjoy a lot of Acid Jazz type bands, like Greyboy Allstars, Garage a Trois, and Soulive that I think are still Jazz. I would say that some of the current generation of Jazz musicians like Chris Potter, Kurt Rosenwinkel, and Joshua Redman could be considered part of a newer movement in jazz that history has yet to judge.
I am really interested in this discussion as it’s something I’ve thought about before and can’t convince myself of either way.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Chewy: Only way Duke would have wanted to wear that costume is if the girl on the cover of Midnight Creeper got to sit on Santa’s lap.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:48 am
@DaveS: maybe Duke Pearson wanted to dress up like santa claus, afterall he recorded an awesome xmas album…who knows what really happened. we have to ask bob cranshaw
November 29th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
…Ceedee, I’ll admit that I too have a copy of Mel prominently mounted on the wall here in my office. Although it is Mel Torme And Friends Live At Martys NYC with that great Hirschfeld sketch, but you make a good point. “To each his own” right !
November 29th, 2010 at 4:53 am
dottore: agree with your comments on free jazz, nothing new since, but itself also ending in a dead alley, like hard bop, fusion and you name it.
I for one dig Ornette Coleman, Cecil Taylor and some Albert Ayler, but it ends there.
Cannot help on the Chic. Art Ensemble.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:49 am
I am following at random those albums that are favourites of mine.
The score of last weekend:
-Rollins Sax Colossus PR: $ 2035
-Rollins JJ Monk Blue Note 1558 with ny23 labels: $ 932
-Paul Gonsalves Boom Jackie Boom Vocalion UK: $ 1219
November 28th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
free jazz question re art ensemble of chicago:chi-congo.mine is a 1972 french Decca,soft cover.
recently I discussed with a reputable seller about first pressing of this one (he had 2 for sale on Paula,1973).He didn’t even know the Decca issue.
does anyone who follows free jazz make light on the first issue ?
and a small note:free jazz doesn’t seem interesting for people in this community.I think it’s a pity ’cause it’s the last original jazz,lived a short season and died 40 years ago.since then nothing new for my ears.
November 27th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
I saw a very sad sight today at the record store.
Duke Pearson’s Merry Ole Soul. Blue and White label Liberty. Saddest part was they made Duke dress up as Santa Claus on the cover. Alfred and Frank never would have humiliated someone like that. I hope Duke took his advance and quit after that.
November 27th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
I’m not as fortunate as you guys. I have one label that is small print, not Inc. but the other side is Inc and little R.
Album colors are the same as Rudolf.
November 27th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
my 1577 is exactly the same.
label address lettering:all my 47 west (no inc) have the same characters which are smaller than on 23 and 47 west inc.
November 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am
dottore: awesome, to speak with our friend djukic, five copies only!
I meant small letters on the label for the common “first” 47W63 adress without 23.
Dave for the colours on the sleeve:
my copy has Blue Trane in beige/light brown and Blue Note 1577 in grey. JC in light green.
How is yours?
November 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am
somewhere in Jazzcollector:
“was also chatting with Larry Cohn about this one earlier in the week and here is what he had to say on this auction:??“BLP 1577 was issued in what we commonly consider the first pressing with the old (leftover in stock) 63rd NEW YORK 23 label on one or the other sides.The 63rd NYC both sides pressings, which commonly circulate, overlap with the first pressings, but are not probably “old” in that they would have been in use, covering several pressings, from 1957 through much of 1959. That is why I consider them 2nd pressings by default.
I did a calculation once based on frequency of occurrence (I have seen hundreds of these records over the years) and determined that RANDOMLY there would have existed in the neighborhood of 5 copies total of 1577 with the old 63rd NEW YORK 23 label on BOTH SIDES”.
rudolph:now we’re breathing no more:please,keep the colours out.
and is the small lettering,I think address on back cover,the same as 1595,somethin’ else ?
at last:I’d pay everything to see you in front of “the perfect 1577″ and hear you say:no,thanks…
November 27th, 2010 at 7:26 am
1) What were the cover letting colors on the Blue Train? Yellow or Green?
2) I have learned to tolerate that “Original Pressing” for a BN means anything with a blue and white label pre 1980 reissue.
“First Pressing” on the other hand should be very precise and follow the guidelines we use on this site. If people that are not dealers are ignorant of what that entails (and who can blame them for not being crazy like us), I can forgive them. When dealers or supposed expert sellers toss the term First Pressing out, then, shame on them.
When buying old jazz vinyl, a picture’s worth a thousand dollars!
November 27th, 2010 at 5:31 am
I.M.H.O. a seller has all the rights to talk about “original pressings”, “first issue” etc. But he should, eventually on request, supply all the photos, with clear images. Very often a part of the label is shown, coming out of the sleeve. This is done to save on picture costs, and in most cases, to hide the truth.
A seller who has a real gem to sell will proudly show everything in order to convince his buyers.
One should never give credit to cheap slogans, but judge on the facts and draw one’s own conclusions. Caveat emptor.
dottore: does 1577 really exist with New York 23 suffix on the labels? I saw one of 1558 recently. I for one am very satisfied with my “original” small lettered 47W63 copies of 1577 and 1558 and am not prepared to pay outrageous amounts to have a “first” pressing. Did you know by the way that there is an other criterium to judge the originality of #1577? It is in the colour of the letters on the front sleeve.
November 27th, 2010 at 3:29 am
old but unresolved question,please have a look at:http://jazzcollector.com/reader-forum/#comment-41526
maybe I’m too severe but I think it works.
over 90% of Ebay descriptions are at least incomplete,inaccurate when not misleading.Some are clearly fake.
seldom,incomplete leads to a positive surprise:opposite is the rule.
What sets me off if when a supposed/considered serious seller gives info as you wrote.
trane 1577 liberty original first pressing.
new york deep groove,one sided dg,no deep groove.
one sided NY with 47 west 63rd other side.
both sides 47 west.
or one sided 47 west 63rd NYC and 47 west 63rd New York 23 on the other.
all these with different cover address:47 west or 43 west.
how many are these original first pressing ?
none:the real one should be 47 west 63rd New York 23,both sides,dg,ear,rvg;cover 47 west.
I’m still looking for this.
November 26th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Hi Everyone, quick question based on some eBay observations over the past few days. In trolling through some Coltrane listings I saw two auctions by sellers with strong positive feedback, each of which contained a description that didn’t jibe with the photos posted. Both of these discrepancies revolve around the use of the term “original pressing” so perhaps there’s some wiggle room, but I still found it egregious. One was a listing for A Love Supreme that claimed “original” but was actually a late 60s reissue with the red band around the outer edge of the label. The second case, worse, in my opinion, was for a copy of Blue Train. The seller claimed “Original LP” in the item description, and then down below wrote: “This is the original LP release,” and called it a “first pressing.” The photos, however, show “Division of Liberty Records” quite clearly on the label. To get to the point, do you think such dealers are clueless or being deceptive, and if the latter, just who do they think they’re going to fool?
Kevin
November 24th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Hi Ceedee,Jack,DotterJazz and Rudolf
thanks for your comments and suggestions.As any collector , you would like to own a piece of history.
Like a painting, people hook them on the wall and appreciate the art.Mostly museums carry the rare ones. In my case, I’m passionate about jazz.I’m a collector,enjoy the good stuff ,definitively not a reseller.
As we speak, I’m listening to Stanley Turrentine BN4069 with Grant Green, Horace Parlan etc..great music,NM copy..
With the group’s sugestions, I will be increasing my jazz knowledge.Thanks to all of you.
Never know, one day ,I could open a museum.
thanks
November 24th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Not that there aren’t lps that are high on collectors lists,Rockies,but the image of someone trying to put 25 of them in order of “worth” strikes me as hilarious(still). What’s it worth to YOU is the question-unless,as suggested,you’re just “buying to sell”. When I first started collecting-and trading-with the late Leon Leavitt,I remember a few that were “always good for me”,as he used to put it. Kenny Dorham on New Jazz(Quiet Kenny),Duke Pearson(the two-trumpet date Hush,i forget the label-Jazzline(?). Dolphy’s Out There,Tina Brooks True Blue,Tommy Flanagan Overseas,Ray Bryant on Signature. Al Haig on Mint(I thought it just so-so). The funny thing about it-well,maybe not so funny-is that some are still as eagerly sought after 30 years later. I say “not so funny” because a few of those lps mentioned were MINE-that is,until I started trading with Leon. Yeah,I know..please kick me hard-right HERE! At the time,however,I couldn’t even BEGIN to imagine the kind of prices those lps were getting from overseas buyers. Well,at least my minty mono copy of Mel Torme’s Swings Shubert Alley has a prominent place on my wall! (“Leon,you son of a …”) My motto:buy what you like,sell what you don’t like…and then buy more of what sells of anything! This,of course,does NOT include those Craig Hundley lps you’ve been holding onto all these years!
November 24th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
the Felsted album features Tina Brooks!
November 24th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Music From the Connection on Felsted is rare. have not seen one on EBAY in a long time
November 24th, 2010 at 4:13 am
think this could be very interesting:what is really rare vs what is really expensive.Sometimes,rare and expensive are synonymous,sometimes not.
j mclean ad lib is expensive,but the record appears continuosly.this means that it shouldn’t be so rare:surely it’s really sought after.
c baker chet is back on italian rca,the one with the triple folder is much rarer:how many times have you seen it ?
c hamilton on sesac,the one with eric,seldom appears:it’s surely rarer than mobley’s bn’s,but it’ll never go over one grand,or at least until now.
how many b evans first riverside with photo cover in a year ?
how many 1540,1544,1550 or 1560 in the same time ?
these are only examples of:
rare and expensive
not so rare but expensive
not so expensive but rare
I could go on,but would like to hear from us all.
rockie:by your busines card you look an investor.
it’s not a fault and sorry if I’m wrong.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Hi Ceedee.
1.- I was reading the comments and was appreciating the rarity / selling prices of some lps such as( SRollins on Prestige 7079 or Hank Mobley on BN 1568 or Lorraine Geller at $1500 etc..
2.- I thought that it would be pleasant to have a perspective of a jazz fan/connoisseur/expert on the subject.
Please, give me your opinion/ranking
thanks
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:33 pm
“In your honest opinion, which lps would make the top 25 rarest jazz records in a ranking position .” Rockies-uh,first two questions of my own: What were you smokin’ when you came up with that question… and where can I buy some? (lol)
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 am
that is: soNNy rollins and concerTgebouw.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 am
for those of you in the netherlands (or germany or belgium).
Sony rollins is amsterdam,this wednesday, and still tickets for sale!!.He’s playing in the ‘Concergebouw’.I got my camera and taperecorder with me.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 am
daveS: i have crazy baby with one-sided deepgroove BUT with newyork adres, so i guess a sec. press. this one has the blue/green cover/letters
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 am
Good morning Al,
interesting and educating to read all the comments.thanks for the forum.
Question for all of us :
In your honest opinion, which lps would make the top 25 rarest jazz records in a ranking position .
thanks
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 am
Which is the original Jimmy Smith Crazy!Baby cover? The yellow print or the blue-green print?
Thanks,
Dave
November 21st, 2010 at 4:00 am
FOR 10″ LOVERS
barney kessel,vol.2,contemporary c 2508:is for sale now with 4 different covers.
grey with red lettering,grey with yellow lettering,blue with yellow or red lettering.
so we have four editions of an almost local 1954 label for a,then,almost obscure guitarist.
any light for first pressing ?
November 18th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
The Dexter Gordon-doin’ allright-that I missed recently has resurfaced,it seems. Along with a number of other goodies,look for wants of your own at this relable seller…
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jay-Jay-Johnson-Vol-2-Blue-Note-1505-DG-Lexington-RVG-/380288614965?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item588af7c235
November 17th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Thanks Al.
I cleaned those 5 on my VPI and they sounded great.
Also lowered my cost per record today as I found an old Chicago DJ who relocated to Atlanta and had about 5,000 records across all genres.
Picked up McLean 4,5,6 and Waldron 2, both 50th street (not flat edge) for $20 each. Here Comes Louis Smith VG/VG+ for $15. Plus another 30 or so random Riversides, Prestiges, Savoys and BNs also VG/VG+ condition. All told $200 for the 35 records. Hopefully they clean up nice and aren’t too noisy.
November 17th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
DaveS. Good move. Sounds like a great deal and those are certainly great records. I’m sure whatever else you would have spent that thousand bucks on wouldn’t have given you half the pleasure these beauties will give you for many years to come.
November 16th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
dottor,the only reason I missed this is because my filter is for “mono” and “lp” in the heading,neither of which this listing showed. In other words..”D’oh!”
November 16th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Brought out the wallet today on some of those pricey items I was looking at November 7.
Spent $1,000 and bought 5 (gulp) records. All in VG++ shape. All definitely first pressings.
–Kenny Burrell 1521. Lex. Flat Edge. Kakabuchi cover
–Rollins 1540 Lex. Flat Edge. Kakabuchi cover.
–Horace Silver Further Explorations. No “R”
–Newk’s Time 4001. No “R”
–McLean New Soil 4011 No “R”.
He wanted $900 for the Mobley Flat Edge 1540 and $600 for Jackie’s Pal 7068. Just too rich for my blood despite really wanting them.
Hanging out at this website has desensitized me to the crazy prices paid for these pieces of vinyl.
November 16th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
That’s crazy about the Dexter. I didn’t see it because when I search I tend to have my price filters higher. I paid $60 for this one in similar condition. Surely would have bought another for $10.
November 16th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
this is a sad today story:yesterday saw dexter gordon doin’ allright that looked nice.I even asked if it had 47 west on both sides,which is really rare, and no deep groove and the address on back cover.start price $ 9,99.got the answer today at 6.44 pm while helping my kids in their homework and missed it.
the record had everything to be original and quite rare.
NO BIDS and no reserve,but closed.
tragic but missed it.
strange it didn’t move a leaf in our world.
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=32b753052456436f8b5ad3d315d0d14e&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D260692474645%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1123
November 16th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Dexter Blows Hot and Cool
just picked up AUL-207 a reissue from 70′s by DOOTO . sounds much better than my red vinyl original. Look for it!
November 15th, 2010 at 4:07 am
here and there I’ve seen some requests for records:I would be pleased if Al could start a place for want/disposal lists from us all.I’m sure we could fill some void in our collections without cutting our veins on Ebay.thanks.
November 14th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
dottorjazz: saw the Balkan record: indeed, what are we complaining about?
By the way, Modern Art – Art Pepper on Intro went for $ 1978.
November 12th, 2010 at 11:44 am
forgot:if you help me I’m gonna have this gem perfectly sliced in two and let you choose which side you like most.
so we are gonna have a 400k half record each !
but what a record !
November 12th, 2010 at 11:40 am
can’t imagine:I was tempted to offer the complete 10 and 12″ blue note 5000 and 1500 series plus my adlib dials and intro but I still miss some thousands.can you help me ?
November 12th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Hey,dottor-if 1980′s Bulgarian POP isn’t worth 800k+,I ask you..what IS?
November 12th, 2010 at 10:50 am
thanks,it works.
ah,we can have it now with some discount !
November 12th, 2010 at 10:48 am
another great finding:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lili-Ivanova-My-Friend-BalkanTon-ULTRA-RARE-LP-Bulgaria-/250720690807?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a601e2277
printed in the 80′s and G condition,both cover and record
and we complain about a few thousands……..
sorry but I can’t have link active today
November 12th, 2010 at 6:01 am
Klaus: Relaxin’ was issued in a Analogue box with the five M.D. quintet LP’s.
November 10th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Some folks mentioned records that are undervalued,ignored,etc. Here’s one that’s a favorite-an Art Blakey NOT on Blue Note-Plays Music From Golden Boy. Smokin’!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ART-BLAKEY-Plays-Selections-Golden-Boy-STEREO-M-/110606972601?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item19c0b076b9
November 10th, 2010 at 3:42 am
Ricardo,
I’d imagine the 33rpm AP test pressing would be in the $50 range and will sound identical to the regular $25 stock pressing. The two best sounding versions are the 45rpm Analogue Productions pressing mastered by Steve Hoffman/Kevin Gray and the original RVG pressing.
November 9th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
testing!
November 9th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Hey Ricardo,
I just read your post. By what you describe, I’m pretty sure that that test pressing is pretty valuable. Doug Sax and RTI are all high quality. Relaxin’ is a well sought after record. A test pressing for Analogue productions, and only 10 avaliable…I really can’t give you an exact value. Do you know if it ever was released?
Cheers
November 9th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Need some of your expertise …
I have a remastered vinyl LP Test pressing of of Miles Davis Quintet’s Prestige recording of Relaxin’ still factory Sealed.
What I know: It was remastered by Doug Sax at RTI – Record Technologies – in 1996 (for Analogue Productions) from an analogue tape and from the it is believe (from seller description) that there are (approximately) 10 test press copies.
What I don’t have a clue about: what is the value of this record?
Regards
November 8th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
what about this one ?
IT HAS LOTS OF SCUFFS, BUT SINCE IT IS A DEEP GROOVE LP, THEY DON’T KILL THE MUSIC.
http://cgi.ebay.com/LD-3-LOU-DONALDSON-3-SOUNDS-LP-JAZZ-BLUE-NOTE-/160503479892?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item255ec0be54
know what I mean ?
November 8th, 2010 at 10:43 am
the NM DG black label Atlantic, Coltrane – Giant Steps – sold for 1385 usd.
November 7th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Dave — If you don’t want the Jackie’s Pal for $200, I’ll take it, assuming it’s in decent condition. Seriously. I’ve only seen the prices of the rare records going up in the eight years I’ve been doing Jazz Collector, so I’m assuming these are safe purchases. Great music, too.
November 7th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Serious Question:
I came across a seller who has some very nice, first pressing items, but he also has some sense of what they are worth.
Would you pay, say 50% of what these peak at on eBay?
For example, Hank Mobley 1540 Flat Edge: Would you pay $700 for this? Or Jackie’s Pal Prestige 7068 for $200?
Thoughts?
November 6th, 2010 at 10:15 am
seller maxt412 has a DG black label Giants Steps for sale with a starting bid of 500 usd.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Aaron that is one I don’t have but I obsessively look for. I saw a copy at the Pasadena flea market for $100 about a year ago that a regret not buying.
November 5th, 2010 at 9:24 am
…Hey Ceedee, check out this video feed showing the whole Lou Donaldson set at the Vanguard the other night: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-at-the-village-vanguard
November 5th, 2010 at 2:00 am
Vinylmartyr, nice score! I picked up a VG purple label copy of Eric Dolphy’s New Jazz album “Out There” at Amoeba’s in Berkeley for $3 a few years back.
November 4th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Is there a section of this site for scores? Today I found a copy of Joe Henderson Our Thing in the $1 bin at Amoeba. It’s a Mono deep groove with the New York address. I would grade it at G but it plays fantastic. I would love to hear about finds bargains or otherwise.
November 4th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Did anyone else catch the lou Donaldson set from the Vanguard on NPR / WBGO last night ? Lou’s still got it, and Pat Bianchi really smoked on the B3 as always. The quartet included Randy Johnson on Guitar and Fukushi Tainaka on Drums. These guys really play well together and are certainly worth the trek down to the village if you ever get the chance. Happy Belated Lou !
November 3rd, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Ceedee, this is certainly one NPR broadcast I can’t wait to listen to ! I caught Lou for a few sets down at the ol’ Vanguard this past spring. He was amazing as always. The best part is the artists who just show up to jam / pay their respects, such as Dr. Lonnie Smith, Roy Hargrove and Champion Fulton… This is going to be a great show !
November 2nd, 2010 at 11:45 am
Oops-here’s the link-http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90611896
November 2nd, 2010 at 11:44 am
While you’re flipping through your latest stack of jazzy gems,you might want to listen LIVE to a cat who’s been there,done that: Lou Donaldson,having his birthday week celebration at the Village Vanguard,an 11/3 broadcast!
November 1st, 2010 at 3:13 pm
dottorjazz: the yellow trumpeter label seems tome to be the original, standard pressing. Maybe they took a dancers label for your 1027, because they ran of stock? Who knows?
November 1st, 2010 at 11:31 am
no,mine are all standard trumpet:only norgran 1027,interpretations of tal farlow exists with the dancers label:I don’t know if the first pressing is trumpet or dancers.
November 1st, 2010 at 9:01 am
dottorjazz: so, if I got you right, you have Tal Farlow albums on Norgran with the green dancers logo on the labels. Which catalogue numbers? Does anybody else have these too??
November 1st, 2010 at 5:51 am
I noticed recently that the great Bruce Weber/ Chet Baker doc “Lets Get Lost” is available on dvd in England. any recent info on a US release for this goodie? Can’t imagine how such a film could remain stuck in ‘license limbo’ all these yrs…
October 31st, 2010 at 4:25 pm
don-lucky: the non DG black label offered by a Paris based seller remained unsold. At $ 505 the reserve was not met.
October 31st, 2010 at 4:23 pm
dottorjazz: I never saw a dancers label on Norgran, but indeed a few on Clef. Spring to my mind the two Count Basie Dance albums and also a Johnny Hodges on Clef.
October 31st, 2010 at 10:52 am
i have some basie and hodges with the dancers
October 31st, 2010 at 9:14 am
ok,I admit my ignorance:looked on popske and found some copies with the “dancers” logo.So my question now is:why this particular logo and why on the interpretations of tal farlow only?
Is it a first pressing for this record or is a later one ?
October 31st, 2010 at 8:38 am
all my norgran farlows have the classic trumpeter in black on yellow:this one’s got what looks like two dancers.I’ve never seen this label.
October 31st, 2010 at 7:51 am
dottorjazz: this Farlow you mention has the yellow label trumpeter design, the characters in black.
October 31st, 2010 at 6:44 am
norgran label:checking my tal farlows I met this one just sold on ebay:rudolf,help please:which label design is this ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/TAL-FARLOW-Interpretrations-NORGRAN-1-PRESSING-LP-NM-/270540748908?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3efd7c386c
October 30th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Do you wanna do an article on my van gelder stamped, original blue note 45 rpm single, pressed in RED WAX?
October 25th, 2010 at 11:09 am
don-lucky: that sounds encouraging
for the stereo Blue Notes, although recently I changed my Blue Trane stereo for a first pressing mono. I still have Something Else and the Jazz Messengers 4003 in stereo, after an exchange from mono.
My first meeting with Trane was on Tenor Madness. I was an absolute Rollins fan at the time. Then came my first Miles Davis Qnt album Relaxin 7129. That album gave me a direct insight into Trane s art, whereupon I ordered directly from Bob Weinstock the newest Trane album available, Soultrane. The authoritive Good Bait blew me out. Then came Blue Trane and I was addicted to Trane.
I asked the French seller for the adress on the back, it is 157W57.
I have always liked O. Coleman. His early compositions for quartet are real miniatures.
October 24th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Don’t feel too bad about those stereo pressings Rudolf… I have it on good authority that in the early days, Stereo pressings in many cases were done in less numbers than mono. (Especially with Blue Notes) Someday, the tides may turn and the stereo pressings may start to become much more desirable by collectors and you are well ahead of the game from the sounds of it. One thing I find with Mono is that you can hear the musicians individually, and the album cover art is less cluttered, and often less cropped.
I love Giant Steps, but to be honest, I was always partial to Blue Train, A Love Supreme and My Favourite Things… I am not that concerned about the missing deep groove on my black label, the cover seems original and it sounds great !
As for Ornette, I’ll be the first to admit he is brilliant in small doses…Free-Jazz is certainly tough on the ears sometimes and not for the ‘Sunday morning Jazz brunch’, but it can be quite the experience to see performed live. I had the opportunity to see Ornette perform here almost two years ago, and the privilege to meet him in person after the show. He is one hell of a nice guy, but a bit shy. His current ensemble mixes in some classical fusion and it really becomes inspiring. He also was a surprise guest at Sonny Rollins 80th birthday celebration show at the Beacon Theatre in NYC last month… I should check You-Tube and see if anyone has any clips… That would have be an interesting combination…
October 24th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
dottorjazz:
Coleman on Atlantic: for the items you mention, I have the same outcome as you, but my 1317 and 1327 are stereo. So, 1317 DG bull’s eye green/blue and 1327 DG green label.
However one exception: 1394, which has no DG but indentation around spindle hole, otherwise identical.
I sold 1364 some years ago, could not cope with the music.
don-lucky: thanks for interesting site. Correct, we discussed the black Atlantic question before. Don’t know about safety lip. My first Giant Steps was on U.K. London in mono, which I exchanged for a stereo blue/green swirl U.S. pressing. In the early sixties I did many stupid things to get stereo versions instead of my original mono versions. For Giant Steps, I managed to find a mono copy on Danish Atlantic with bull’s eye label. For Coltrane Jazz I fortunately kept my original London monaural copy. How excellent these London pressings were! By the way,
I for one, have always preferred Coltrane Jazz over Giant Steps.
October 24th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Here’s a great link for anyone interested in an Atlantic Records label reference:
http://www.bsnpubs.com/atlantic/index.html
Rudolf: With regards to that copy of John Coltrane’s Giant Steps 1311 with the Black Label, no deep groove, and a small groove off the spindle hole… I have this one myself, and I asked the very same question to Al Back in January, which he posted up on Jazz Collector on January 29th, 2010:
Http://jazzcollector.com/questions/giant-steps-black-label-no-dg/
Joaquim responded and said it was the last variation of the original pressings… I have also heard that it was the third variation of the original pressings… No confirmation on any of this as of yet. The address on the back of the cover of my copy is the same as the Black DG version:
ATLANTIC RECORDING CORPORATION 157 WEST 57 STREET NEW YORK 19, NEW YORK
Does the black DG have a safety lip edge ?
October 24th, 2010 at 10:47 am
we’ve opened atlantic pandora’s box.maybe not complicated as blue note,but with interesting details.
1354,coltrane jazz has the older address (157 west 57);1382 plays the blues has a very deep groove,black swirl,orange and red,vertical atlantic;1368.bags & trane is white promo no deep groove.
aaron’s theory looks interesting with two different pressing plant.it seems obvious that a promo should have been pressed before the regular issue.this indicates that some numbers were born not deep grooved.And now,for those of you interested in atlantic,my colemans:
1317:bullseye white/orange/purple,deep groove
1327:black,deep groove
1353:white swirl-orange/purple,small indentation spindle round
all these 157 west 57 st.
1364:same as 1353 but no address on cover
1378:same as 1353,1841 broadway (from now on)
1394:black swirl,vertical atlantic-orange/purple,but again a very deep groove
same period as coltrane,same confusion
October 24th, 2010 at 8:59 am
by the “small groove” around the spindle I mean a barely visible indent of the size of the former British one penny coin.
October 24th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Aaron/dottorjazz: Atlantic Coltrane. Mine as follows:
1311-DG,whitish spinwheel, no small vertical Atantic, green/blue, 157W57 adress on rear
(my mono is a Danish bull’s eye)
1354-DG,whitish spinwheel, no small vertical Atlantic, gr/bl
(mono version on U.K. London)
1841 Broadway adress from 1354 on.
1361-small groove around the spindle, whitish spinwheel with vertical Atlantic, purple/orange
1368-small groove, whitish spinwheel without vertical Atlantic, purp/orange
Olé on U.K. London
1382-small groove,blackish spinwheel, vertical Atlantic, orange/purple
1419-ditto
At
October 24th, 2010 at 2:50 am
Here’s a Coltrane Plays The Blues WLP with no deep groove http://www.popsike.com/JOHN-COLTRANE-Plays-The-Blues-Atlantic-promo-Lp/280034397382.html
My best guess regarding this subject is that one is from a west coast pressing plant (DG) and one is east coast (non DG), like the white label vs. yellow label Verve promo copies.
October 24th, 2010 at 2:44 am
Someone here (European contributor?) in another topic mentioned deep-groove vs. non deep-groove black label Giant Steps in the past year and I thought that was bizarre as I had never seen a non deep groove copy before. Thanks for the link, now to investigating!
October 23rd, 2010 at 6:31 pm
I agree,there’s something wrong.It looks as a later pressing using an old label.I checked my blacks and they are deep grooved.Another question which lies unresolved since decades:giant steps:black dg;coltrane jazz:red/orange white swirl dg;my favorite things:red/orange white swirl NO dg;bags & trane NO dg;olè NO dg;plays the blues:deep groove;coltrane’s sound:NO dg;I’ve looked at hundreds of these non deep groove and never found one deep grooved.I ask:misfortune only ? and some of these does exist with deep groove ?
the same for ornette coleman,but I’ll ask later.
October 23rd, 2010 at 3:46 pm
French seller vinyl.unlimited has a black label Atlantic Coltrane Giant Steps for sale. Now have a look at the labels: rather than deep grooves the labels have a small groove around the spindle hole. I checked some black label Atlantics from the same period and none has these strange labels. Any remarks? Can it be a fake?
October 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm
thanks rudolf:I looked in popsike and there are only 2 photo cover,which means it’s much harder to find.
I’ve another question,maybe more interesting for all of us.
Prestige New York show two different addresses on back cover:446 or 447 west 50th st.
Labels are 446 only.
my Miles Davis series is 446 up to 7025,than 447 from 7034 to 7129 except 7054,blue haze,that is 446 again.Other prestige issues around this are all 447.
Is there an exact number for transition from 446 to 447 ?
October 20th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
absolutely yes
October 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Jack: does this work when I have nothing for sale right now?
October 20th, 2010 at 9:29 am
do not sell to bookofballard on ebay . this buyer wanted me to refund his money before returning lp and then threatened me when I refused.
He claimed lp has deep scratch which it did not. I offered him a full refund including shipping both ways. but apparently he doesn’t want to return , obviously cause there is nothing wrong with it . He has private feedback.
unwanted bidders can be blocked on ebay by going to managing your selling page. start with help page and then follow links.
October 20th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Dottorjazz: re 7053, of course, the original version is NYC all over.
October 20th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Don-Lucky: how can one blacklist someone, esp. to avoid receiving unwanted bids?
October 20th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Aaron: re “original” pressings. I agree with your view.
Dottorjazz: PrLp 7053. The letter type cover is a second issue. Various versions exist, with NYC adress both on labels and on the rear of the cover; ditto with Bergenfield adresses all over. And finally a mixed version cover NYC, labels Bergenfield.
The original 7053 pressing came with a marvelous portrait study (no photo credit) cover. I took out my copy and it is kakubuchi!
My NYC 7054 (Blue Haze) is not kakubuchi, but my 7052 (Benny Green) and 7050 (Gene Ammons) are! Amazing indeed. My NYC 7051 (Billy Taylor) again is not kakubuchi.
October 19th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
My opinion is that while there is only one “first” pressing (the initial pressing run) there can be later “original” pressings if an album is still in production by the original company. If the album goes out of print, gets a new catalog number or is produced by a different companmy it is no longer “original” but a reissue.
October 19th, 2010 at 3:18 am
the “original war” is still goin’ on:our readers have different opinions.
mine is that original=first pressing
all other issues are second,third,fourth pressings.
beautiful and desirable and cheaper,sometimes,but not original first pressing.
one example:rasputin is now offering j mclean new soil,BN 4013,as a buy it now $ 250.00
they declare original
I asked some questions and this is what they wrote me:both labels 47 west 63rd,no inc,no r on labels,inc on back cover,rvg on trail off.
and this is ok,but:NO EAR.
this is no good for me.
anyone ?
October 18th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Are ‘original pressings’ and ‘first pressings’ synonymous?
In the article on this site entitled “Twelve Tips to Collecting Blue Note”, it states”
1a. First: ALL “original” (not FIRST, but original pre-Liberty) pressings have the little “ear” mark in the dead wax. It looks like a cursive “P” because that is what it is! It’s “P” for Plastylite, the pressing plant that pressed ALL original Blue Notes.
So ‘original’ could mean an ‘original second pressing’?
All first pressings are original but not all original pressings are first pressings?
Is this correct?
What does ‘non-original’ imply then?
Thank you in advance.
Ayrton
October 17th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
question for rudolf re t monk prestige 7053 (archives 2008 sept.19).My copy has the cover designed by reid miles,with monk in black capitals and other lettering in black or light blue italics.address on back cover is 447 west 50th street,new york 19,n.y.
label ny.no photo on front or back cover.
which pressing is this ?
thanks
October 16th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Live and learn I guess. At least we got our money back, right Jack… These days I find I am buying from trusted sellers more and more. Lucky for me, I have only been burned twice in +100 transactions so thatreally isn’t so bad. I tend to buy more from off-ebay dealers now anyway. Happy hunting !
October 15th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
bookwood2008 was seller who “educated me” to this scam.
y10mach3turbo is the seller who I suspect is doing the same thing.
October 15th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
no put I will post names. it seems this is a scam that is getting popular in Germany. Poor buyer just gave the seller a 2k interest free loan.
October 15th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Hey Jack, was that recent minor scam on ebay perpetrated by “rocktown101″ by any chance ? …That bastard pulled the same scam with me on an original pressing of Freddie Hubbard’s Hub-tones LP back in June… He seems to like borrowing peoples money and wasting peoples time. I got my money back a month and a half later, but he never sent the LP and couldn’t produce any proof otherwise. From that point forward I have blacklisted the seller, and always demand shipping with a tracking number for my purchases since then. It costs a bit more but its worth it I think.
October 14th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
item sold . suspect buyer will never get item.
October 14th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
I was the victim of a minor scam on EBay where I got my money back but seller had use of it for a month and obviously never had lp to begin with. another auction also from Germany with the same characteristics showed up and I am concerned. both sellers do not ship to Japan or europe. both are selling high priced blue note at bargain price. both seem to be using a picture they lifted off Popsike and both offer free shipping.
see Blue Note 1568 with buy it now price. My apologies if I am wrong about this but my gut says stay away!
October 14th, 2010 at 2:06 am
Forget this sellers overpriced Mosaic’s-if you’re looking for rare 78′s,10 inchers or maybe just a replacement cover,there might be something here for you,all buy-it-now listings:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Erroll-Garner-10-Blue-Note-5008-/290483880869?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item43a23043a5
October 13th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
You Know Jazz Is Hot (Or People Are Just Plain Nuts) When: Here’s a seller with several LPs ending in the next couple of hours. Like this one (click here) , not a single one has an item description – just a photo! On the Miles LP someone asked a question (for a description, natch) and the seller answered, yet some of these are records that are at $25 and above with hours to go, and they aren’t even described! Crazy.
October 12th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Japhy:
I used the $2000 Furitech album flattener to work on a horrible warp I had on a Herfbie Hancock Inventions and Dimensions I picked up for $30. The album and jacket were glorious except the vinly must have been left in a car for 3 days in the Phoenix summer. It wouldn’t come close to tracking.
Long story short, the dewarper (which is actually a slow heater toaster press type device), improved the record but not enough to make it playable. So my advice is that they work, but if the warp is crazy bad, forget about it.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
I’ll try terry,but not sure to succeed:my brain’s is goin’ into water and I’ve called you ceedee.I’m sorry.I mixed you both while writing at the same time on last post mono vs stereo.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Dottorjazz,
Live another day. Perhaps tomorrow!
October 12th, 2010 at 11:44 am
you kill me ceedee.
that dirty dozen !
if you could give each a number and no/1 dg I’ll die happy tonight.
October 12th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Dottorjazz,
Absolutely correct! However, remember that BN assigned catalog numbers at the time of recording, not at the time of release. For reasons known only to Alfred, they did not come to market in the order of recording. There are about a dozen numbers BEFORE 4059 that came out after it, so there are no known deep groove pressings for them.
October 12th, 2010 at 10:37 am
thanks terry,my way of understanding is:double sided dg=first pressing until 4059.
no dg=first pressing after 4059.
all other combinations=no first pressing
if correct looks simple
October 12th, 2010 at 9:13 am
Dottorjazz,
After 4059, no double sided deep groove. After 4059 was released, if it has a one-sided deep groove and a number before 4059, it is a second pressing. After 4059 was released and with a pre-4059 number and no deep grooves either side, it is a reissue. The one-sided deep groove occured when the title was still ‘in print’ but more copies were needed and the original deep groove stamper had become damaged or simply worn out and a new one hed to be made, so one side was ‘new’ and not deep groove.
October 12th, 2010 at 9:11 am
dottorjazz,how about this-buy what you like(and what you can afford). Know that pricing is fluid,but will likely go up-although no one can say by how much. If you do buy what YOU like-and maybe copies of same to resell-you should do ok. After all,we all know what good taste you/I/we have,right?
October 12th, 2010 at 6:50 am
blue note-deep groove:I’ve read and re-read the article by larry cohn reported by don-lucky.Ok for how,why and when,but yet l I am not able to understand if an after 4059 should be double sided,one sided or no deep groove at all.
maybe it’s a stupid question by a stupid collector who is tryin’ to collect first pressing only.
what looks no stupid is the value these records run today.
so,please,someone out there try to let this stupid collector be sure to pay stupid money for a non stupid first pressing.
am I alone ?
October 11th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
‘insanely rare’… 2 copies??
but a great album it is, the best of his BN output.I like the cover design also… He made two great cd’s in the
nineties with art farmer (Phd. and Blame it on my youth.. more than excellent!)
October 11th, 2010 at 11:19 am
guy in germany you can find on youtube
October 11th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Gang, I’ve been hesitating for a few years on attempting to get a pretty minor warp out of an old Blue Note (heavy W63rd press), and have finally decided it’s time. I’ve been reading online about the myriad techniques people have used to do this, with wildly varying degrees of success. I thought since I’m dealing wtih a Blue Note and I’ve got a great bunch of Blue Note experts here — what do you say? Any experiences to share with removing warps? Seems these $2,000 machines are the best bet, but of course that ain’t happening. Anyone know of someone with this device who charges folks to repair their warped sides? Thanks for any advice or input!
October 11th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Our friend Bob Djukic is back with an “insanely rare” Cliff Jordan on Blue Note.
October 11th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Maarten,
The Songer ststement is a bit confusing, but probably true. I have never seen a deep groove after 4059. If all releases starting with 4060 are non-dg, there should be no more dg’s at all except for reissues/second pressings. Being very frugal, Alfred would have used older dg stampers. However, the catalog number would have stayed the same. I guess the only way to tell if it is a first press versus a subsequent release would be address on labels or cover or the large block letter catalog number on the bacxk of the cover.
October 10th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
just to be shure, i haven’t seen one myself, but allen Songer’s statement can be confirmed by other “jazzcollector’ members?
October 10th, 2010 at 8:03 am
Thanks for the rapid response!
October 10th, 2010 at 3:35 am
according to richard cook’s book about BN, 4068 is one of the rare ones from BN because of the poor original sales.
nice, Daves!
October 10th, 2010 at 2:29 am
Dave,
Yes, nice score!
October 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Question on BLP 4068 “Face to Face” Baby Face Willette. I just bought this off eBay and it is a 63rd street with the ear but no deep grooves.
Allan Songer’s tips say: “Starting with 4060 ALL “first” pressings have NO deep groove! If you find a copy of any number AFTER 4059 that has a deep groove in one or both sides, it’s a SECOND pressing–the new equipment was ALWAYS used for the first run!”
Even though there are many DGs of this record out there, do you also agree that my record would be considered a 1st pressing?
Thanks. Dave
October 8th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Al,
Thanks that’s interesting and makes me think the “86″ might mean the common slang to remove something. The Verve records I have with this stamp are from the 60′s with the “T” label and MGM rim print.
October 8th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
CO is cutout. Not sure about the 86. I don’t think it’s the year, because I have several as well, all purchased prior to 1986.
October 8th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I have a few Verve records that have CO86 stamped on the back in large block letters, does anyone know what this means?
October 8th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Ok,so when you think “jazz alto” you think Bird,Ornette,Donaldson,Stitt,”Fathead”,Hodges,etc. Eventually you might get to Dave Sanborn’s name-or not. Regardless,as an example of a contemporary musician who manages to be true to his OWN roots while developing his personal sound,you’ll find few better today to name . And as this WSJ piece shows,he’s made quite a “home” for himself outside of the music,as well-http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703431604575522382310869318.html
October 7th, 2010 at 3:42 am
FYI: Rare jazz LP’s for sale at the moment, check:
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZpsychfreak
Some famous artists like CHARLES MINGUS, ERIC DOLPHY, MILES DAVIS, Count basie and Duke Ellington, but also lesser known Dutch jazz artists like MISHA MENGELBERG, Willem Breuker, THEO LOEVENDIE, Rita Reys etc
October 4th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I’m new to this forum but I’ve been stalking it for the past few weeks. I love the content and the wealth of knowledge of the contributors. The article about how to determine Blue Note first pressings was incredible.
I’m a 26 yr old hip-hop/Top 40 DJ from Colorado. I’ve been listening to hard bop jazz on digital media for a few years now, but I’m excited to start a jazz vinyl collection.
I was hoping some of you would be willing to take me under your wings to learn how start a respectable collection on a modest budget. Being a recent college grad, I can’t come close to the $1000 bin records, but I’d appreciate your tips about value records in the $10-$25 range. Or even stories about how you started building your own collections.
Thanks!
Henry
October 1st, 2010 at 9:53 am
OK, we beat up on Fantasy for a while, now let’s try Atlantic. Al, from your Coltrane ‘Ole’ question yesterday, a white fan logo is from ’61, a black fan logo is from ’62.
Now, does anyone know the last number of the black label deep groove issues, or were they all deep groove? Any flat edge black labels?
Again, thanks in advance for any help.
September 27th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Terry: yes, in 12″ only. That was the oddity, all of a sudden a 12″ in a catalogue of ten inchers.
September 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Rudolf,
Thanks for the very detailed explanation, very helpful! Last question before another topic, was 3-19 issued in 12″ format only?
September 26th, 2010 at 8:21 am
Terry: re your query on Fantasy.
I have the July 1955 Catalog which lists under LP 10″:
3-1 (Brubeck trio) through 3-21 (Desmond).
Then 12 “:
3-19 Red Norvo through 3-205 Brubeck Trio. Right after 3-19 comes 3-201 Herdsmen play Paris.
The August 1956 catalog does not list ten inchers anymore, but has 12″ LP’s only, starting with 3-19 through 3-239 (Brubeck Octets) with a scheduled issue of 3-245 “Jazz at Oberlin”-Brubeck.
In my collection the last full hyphen issue is 3-240 (Brubeck at Storyville).
I have 3-245 with the hyphen at the rear, but 3245 in front and on the labels.
It is safe to assume that catalogue numbers without hyphens after 3-240 are originals. Pre-3240 without hyphens are re-issues.
The undated (1957/58?) “complete catalogue of Fantasy hi-fi records” ends with 3250 and has all the albums listed without hyphen, except for 3-19!
I agree with some of you that the coloured vinyl, or plastic ?, tends to be noisy. Whilst looking up these data I have listened to 3244-the Red Norvo trios-without being hindered by background noise. This is a stiff, red wax copy with a flat rim, definitely a first pressing. Great Tal Farlow!
I just crossed my mind that the three major West Coast based labels each issued about 20 ten inchers before switching to 12″. (Fantasy, Pacific Jazz and Contemporary). Blue Note reached the number of 70 in modern jazz alone.
September 25th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
where will this one go…? with still 4 days left…
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONNY-CLARK-BLUE-NOTE-1588-ORIGINAL-63rd-N-Y-NM-/150497138165?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item230a5415f5#ht_5068wt_1139
September 23rd, 2010 at 3:31 am
Terry, I will revert after the weekend. Send me reminder should I forget.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:07 am
Terry-that’s right:PLASTIC(I mispoke). I pulled more than a few from their sleeves back then to find broken edges,etc. We’re not talking 180 gram here(think plastic plates)! I’m sure that is something that has worked to keep the collector value of those issues low…
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:48 am
Ceedee,
I don’t know about the quality of the pressing, but the early LPs were on plastic, not vinyl. Plastic pressings tend to have a LOT of static electricity issues, especially in a dry climate. I have had enough static build up on a record that it arced and blew out my cartridge!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:44 am
Rudolf,
I do not know why I have never noticed the intermixing of 10 and 12 inch LPs in the early numbering system. Do you know at what number the hyphen was removed from the catalog number? Perhaps the later issues without the hyphen are second or later pressings.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm
RE:Fantasy pressings-I’ve only seen/heard the red or blue issues. My experience is that the QUALITY of those pressings was typically poor. And it still drives me nuts that scratches and scuffs are so difficult to spot with the colored vinyl(“Boo! Hiss!”)
September 21st, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Terry: I said prudently “I believe”. The Desmond album is a 10″ and it is the only 10″ jazz album I know which is gatefold.
I have no comments regarding 78 rpm album presentations in the forties.
What is strange is the numbering of Fantasy albums.
They had a 10″ 3- series, which became 12″ with a Red Norvo album, I think it was 3-19 (I have the album, but I am abroad, so I cannot check my copy), then 3-20 and 3-21 were again 10″ (Brubeck resp. Desmond) and thereafter they continued with 3-201 etc. to start their real 12″ series.
Later versions and re-issues don’t have the separation (-), but have the catalogue number attached e.g. 3240 in stead of 3-240.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:09 am
Dotterjazz,
Thanks for the info, it helps. I, too, believe that your Desmond may be a second, or later, pressing.
Rudolf,
That helps a lot, thanks, and very concise. Do you know where the deep grooves end? RE the gatefold, I guess that would depend on how you wish to define it. Would you exclude all of the RCA and Columbia 78 rpm ‘albums’ of the 40′s?
Terry
September 21st, 2010 at 8:45 am
Terry: you are asking many questions at once.
Re Fantasy colours: I have seen red, red/black flamed, green, blue, purple and flamed multi colour DJ copies. I never saw a yellow one. You should know that the Weiss Bros, who founted the label were merchants in plastics.
The first reds were flat edge and darker than the later translucent ones, which had no flat edge and were more flexible, some even wafer thin. The first pressings (black and coloured alike) were stiff, thick and had a darker red label.
The famous 10″ Paul Desmond album no. 3-21 was issued in purple, red, green and a re-issue in black. This was the first fold-out album cover ever issued, I believe.
September 20th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
fantasy:surprising,and interesting question for me.I’ve got three only:g.mulligan presents (3-6),brothers sandole (3-209),d.brubeck (3249).
All are red:they seem opaque and are all quite similar to the oldest 10″.Mulligan and sandole bros.show a very deep groove,brubeck a smaller one,I would say no deep groove.A second issue ?
All are flat edge.
3-6 has a much darker label,I’ll call it blood:the others red,all with gold lettering.
The only reason I kept the brubeck is the cover,drawing of quartet playing in a theatre of bold-only listeners.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:05 am
I have some questions on the Fantasy label. I know that the red & blue vinyl were first opaque then in later years translucent. Were any titles that were first opaque reissued in translucent? Are any or all of these flat edged or deep grooved? What other colors were there? I have seen a purple one adversised for sale as well as either a green or yellow one, can’t remember which. This should keep some of you busy for a while! Thanks in advance for any/all help.
Terry
September 19th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Understanding that any number of this site’s readers may be new to the music,the fine art of jazz collecting(or both),I thought it helpful to mention this DVD entitled “Blue Note: A Story Of Modern Jazz”. Here’s the description:”This documentary of the history of Blue Note and its founders combines vintage and contemporary performance footage with interviews and anecdotes by Horace Silver, Johnny Griffin, Max Roach, Gil Melle, Carlos Santan, Freddie Hubbard, Herbie Hancock and more. Originally produced by EuroArts in Germany and aired around the world as a two-part television special.
91 min. Color. NTSC Region 0 – playable in all regions.” and the link http://shop.allaboutjazz.com/prodinfo.asp?number=VAR-50D
September 15th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
…Hard to believe, and it is only Wednesday night Ceedee !!! (Ayako Shirasaki solo is going to be a hot ticket I am sure)
September 15th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
If you’re in the NYC area,tonite-9/15-will have pianist Ayako Shirasaki playing solo at Smoke(7:30-9),Renee Rosnes at the Vanguard(9pm set broadcast on WBGO) and Helen Sung playing with her trio later at Dizzy’s at JALC(11pm). That’s a lOT of jazz piano for one night-even for nyc!
September 14th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Hey guys, if anyone is in Manhattan tonight check this out!!!
“Bob Blumenthal, John Abbott, and Sonny Rollins himself will be at the Barnes & Noble in Tribeca to give a talk and slide show about the book Saxophone Colossus: A Portrait of Sonny Rollins. Please call the store for event rules and restrictions.
Tuesday September 14, 2010 7:00 PM
Barnes & Noble – Tribeca
97 Warren Street, New York, NY 10007, 212-587-5389
September 14th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Jan,glad to hear your trip went well. I’d forgotten about the “buzz me in” situation at JRC,though! Incidentally,if anyone knows what concoction Lou Donaldson,Roy Haynes and-yes,Ira Gitler-are drinking to stay so vibrant..? I’d swear those guys are doing their own jazz riff on “Dorian Grey”!(or,just maybe,it’s ”the music”…)
September 13th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Lou Donaldson was really great talking a lot to the audience in a really relaxed way and of course playing some great bop as expected.
To Maartens question:My impression was that the really rare records are rare in New Yorks shops too but that you have got much better chances to find something you are looking for/ interested in than in most other places. I think we are all spoiled by the offers we see on the internet everyday. I for example discovered a nice NJ copy of MD Coocking and an Atlantik black label copy of George Wallington.
September 12th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Sounds like a great trip Jan. NYC is always magic, and Lou Donaldson is great live isn’t he ! (NYC is so addictive I swear…)
September 12th, 2010 at 9:15 am
nice Jan!
Did you visit more shops, or were they to far appart from eachother?
And did you buy something?
Did those stores have like hundreds of first/2nd pressings from BN, prestige,vere etc… or am i dreaming to romanticly, ha!
Lou Donaldson alive and playing, great!!
September 11th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Hi guys, I just returned from NY and I really had a nice time.
Ceedee thanks for your advice and Maarten thanks for your interest.
One of the first things I did was taking the metro to Jazz record center to find the door locked.
What a shock standing on the street so close and not beeing able to enter.But then somebody came down the stairs and I asked about the shop to find out that it was Fred Cohen himself to open the store. What a relief after travelling so far. He is a really really nice guy and he took me upstairs taking some time for a little chat.
The shop is the greatest place for a jazz and vinyl collector I ever visited WOW !
Of course I also visited academy LPs too and they also had some really nice items for sale.
Of course there are more things to experience in great NY.
I listened to a nice jazz trio in central park on labour day, visited the MOMA, took the ferry to the beaches of staten island
and best of all had the opportunity to enjoy a set of Lou Donaldson at Lincoln Center which was the best experience because I did not plan this and only found out by chance that he was playing that night.
Such a great city and such a short time but a lot of memories to take home.
September 7th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Thanks, dottorjazz. That was kinda my impression listening to the Bechet, but I guess I imagined a larger fan base for pre-war jazz. The same day I found the Bechet, I also found an early 80s French pressing of Monk’s Genius V.1, and the intervening years between Bechet and Monk sure do make a difference.
September 7th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
A very Happy 80th Birthday to the Saxophone Colossus himself Sonny Rollins ! (For those of you in the NYC area, there is going to be a great concert to celebrate this Friday September 10th, 2010 at the Beacon Theatre with special guests Jim Hall, Roy Hargrove, and Christian McBride …Definitely worth going to see !)
September 6th, 2010 at 7:30 am
Re Miles Davis Birth of the Cool Capitol T762-I have this and want to sell it-Help please.
September 3rd, 2010 at 6:21 pm
i didn.t knew that they saved old labels for SO long…non-deep groove is only after BN4058… i would have thought that by that time they where out of Lexington labels…
September 3rd, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Maarten,
It doesn’t look like a mystery to me, just a later pressing that used up pre-existing labels. Did it have the Plastylite “ear” in the deadwax?
September 3rd, 2010 at 9:22 am
i came across a lexington BN jj Johnson vol2.
It had all the characteristics, but NO deep groove…
(like the jackie from paperstax) a lexington label and no deep groove-…i don’t get it.
September 2nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Kevin,wellcome in this mad,mad,mad world.
The difference between 1200 vs 1500/4000 is very simple:old jazz vs modern jazz.
Collectors all over the world look for modern jazz in a percentage of almost 100%.I’m in this group too.
Personally I’m interested in classical music too,and I make no difference between Gregorian chant and Contemporary music.I can’t do the same for Jazz.
I start from Bebop,40′s,and go on for about two decades,end of 60′s,with few exceptions.
I’ve never been attracted by older Jazz.And with me almost all the other collectors.
Maybe it’s a shamey or a real sin.
But I like modern jazz so much that I’m gonna sin for the rest of my life.
September 1st, 2010 at 10:55 am
for those who not knew this site about japanese blue notes (chronologie, labels etc), ..
the master site is also interesting.
http://microgroove.jp/bluenote-jpn/
September 1st, 2010 at 8:22 am
i noticed that on some BN record covers there is NO name of the ‘designer’. No reid miles or hermansader.
For ex. Louis Smith-Smithsville and Jimmy smith-groovin’ at smalls…, Bennie Green -Soul stirrin’..
In the BN cover album books there is also no mentioning of designer.Where they done by somebody else (Wolff?) or did they not think about it once a while..?
September 1st, 2010 at 7:01 am
I’m looking for a good scans of the back cover of this:
http://mingus.onttonen.info/details/st1010.html
Can someone help me?
Thanks in advance.
September 1st, 2010 at 6:40 am
Keeping in mind Al’s recent ‘best ballads’ posting,here’s a tribute to the late Abbey Lincoln by Nate Chinen. Nate also highlights Lincoln’s influence among some newer singers worth checking out-http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/arts/music/28abbey.html?_r=1
August 31st, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Maarten,Re:BN 78 prices-they are NOT so expensive,generally speaking. I’d say from this person’s listings (of granddad’s goodies) that someone has come down with a severe case of ‘greed-itis’. Hopefully,if no sucke-oops,I meant bidders- take the bait,a quick recovery will follow!
August 31st, 2010 at 11:57 am
nice to see such an old one..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ALBERT-AMMONS-BLUE-NOTE-21-ORIGINAL-/170534475165?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item27b4a5959d#ht_500wt_1154
didn’t knew they where so expensive..Does anybody on the forum also collect 78rpm BN’s?
Did they always come in brown paper sleeve?
I play classical music on 78rpm discs reguelarly, but for me BN is a 33rpm thing….
August 31st, 2010 at 6:41 am
Jan-regarding your NYC visit,here’s some info:
Jazz Record Center-236 west 26th street,rm.804(212-675-4480)
Academy Records-415 east 12th street,212-780-9166.
Incidentally,Academy has several other stores that specialize in vinyl(not just this location).If it’s cds,the 18th street store is a must. Enjoy your trip-including a night at the Vanguard,I’d hope?
August 30th, 2010 at 10:50 am
ok, who’s got the complete collection ??!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Freddie-Hubbard-Hub-Tones-Blue-Note-new-cassette-/390230820828?pt=Music_Cassettes&hash=item5adb91c7dc#ht_500wt_928
August 28th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
could you share with us how the hunt went down… for us not-New yorkers it’s nice to know how the jazz vinyl climate is there, especially from someone who is also a outsider..
August 27th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Hi, I’m a relatively new vinyl jazz collector and this site (and all your comments) has been a boon as I make my way through life’s endless crate. So thanks much for that. Quick question (I hope): Why are 1200s series Blue Notes not as collectable as the 1500 series issues? I came across an inexpensive, clean, original pressing of Sidney Bechet’s Giant of Jazz V.1 (BLP 1203) that I was happy to snap up, but I was surprised to subsequently find this record listed in several places online at prices that seemed downright reasonable as compared to almost any original 1500 or 4000 series title. I’ll acknowledge that Mr. Bechet, while quite the talent, lacks the cache of Miles, Monk, Morgan, or Mobley, and that the pre-Reid Miles art doesn’t have the same zest, but it still seems like these earliest of Blue Note 12″ LPs should be more sought after. Regardless, I’m happy with the record, but I wonder if anyone could shed some light on this for me. Thanks in advance.
August 24th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
I am going to visit New York for the first time next week and I hope to bring home some nice LPs.
Please tell me the adress of the Jazz record center and academy LPs (the one with the Jazz section)
Many thanks!
August 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Maarten,thank YOU for the informative link on the late,great Herman Leonard. The website there linked to another with video interviews done in recent years. I especially liked the one from the Today show,which showed how he was affected by Katrina,but kept his art (and heart)strong. A poster of Miles-”New York City,1948″- has a prominent place on my wall. I’ll put on ‘Moon Dreams’ or’Boplicity’ later on today, then tip my hat to the artistry of Mr.Leonard.
August 17th, 2010 at 9:01 am
great link ceedee! ..a great video also…altough i was a little shocked when i saw mr.Pomeroy attack the discs;-)
August 17th, 2010 at 5:56 am
For an interesting look at the art of record preservation,check out the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/arts/music/17jazz.html?pagewanted=1&_r=-. There is an article(complete w/ video) on the jazz collection of William Savory,recently acquired by the National Jazz Musuem(in Harlem). Music recorded direct-to-disc by Basie,Prez,Duke,the Hawk,etc. The video is a must-see for an example of how science and the digital process can sometimes salvage music more than 70 years old!
August 17th, 2010 at 4:44 am
a great jazz photographer is no more:
Herman Leonard 1923-2010
.Who doesn’t have a album with his picture on it!
http://www.hermanleonard.com/
August 8th, 2010 at 6:11 am
again, for those who do not already know this site: Nice site with old jazz covers and more…
http://lpcoverlover.com/category/jazz/
August 5th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
I tried Al, I tried. I probably could have picked up the Impulses for $25-40 each, but I pretty much already had all the ones he had, and that price isn’t a bargain.
Plus I only had $300 with me. I tend to avoid going into strange storage lockers with people I don’t know carrying lots of cash.
August 5th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Great story, Dave. Was there no bargaining possible? Jazz Collector readers around the world are now madly clicking on Craigslist. Except for me. I’m calm for now. Or at least for the next 10 minutes.
August 5th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Thrill of the Hunt (and the Loss of the Prize)
Funny/sad story yesterday. I responded to an ad on Craigslist for some jazz records for sale. Seller said he had some BN, Prestige, Riverside, etc. and could I meet him at a storage shed where he had about 10,000 records.
Of course I was salivating and when I got there, he directed me to bins full of jazz records. After I pulled out 5 Lex/63rd (including a Lee Morgan and a Mobley), 25 Impulse and about 10 NYC and Bergens, plus 20 others, we both look at each other trying to decide who makes the first offer. I finally said “well it looks like I have 40 or records, how about $5 each” hoping that worst case he asks for $10 each and I am all happy. He goes quiet and says I need more than that. I said, well what are you looking for? He goes, well that deep groove Morgan books for over $1,200, and that first press Open Sesame by Hubbard probably goes for $600 on Popsike. And that Sonny Rollins Prestige NYC, although it is only VG, is worth at least $200.
By then I realize that I was not going to walk out of there with a quick score, let alone anything. I debated whether to continue to play dumb or actually come clean that not only did I understand what a “deep groove” was, but I am avid reader of the JazzCollector blog. I decided to play dumb, and subjected myself to his well-intentioned lectures on record labels. I asked him why he hadn’t sold his stuff on eBay and he said that he once sent a $1,000 record to Italy and was screwed when the buyer claimed it never arrived. Guess he felt selling out a storage locker was a better avenue.
Walked out of there with Caddy for Daddy for $25 just so that my time and gas money wasn’t a total loss.
Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
August 4th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
I have two copies of Art Blakey et les Jazz-Messengers au club St. Germain Vol. 2 (RCA 430.044). Amazing live session! I was wondering though, which of them is the original – one has a black label (flat edge, deep groove, thick vinyl) and the other has a yellow one (thinner vinyl). Both are French pressings and neither mentions mono or stereo.
Anybody out here who can help me out? Thank you!
Btw: nice site Maarten!
August 4th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Happy birthday ‘Pops’ !!!
August 4th, 2010 at 10:29 am
stumbled on this site: http://www.sweedeedee.com/archives/jazz.csp
for those who didn.t knew it, verry nice pictures of rare jazz covers..
August 4th, 2010 at 10:00 am
‘plAy graded’
August 4th, 2010 at 9:59 am
did he say it was “visualy” graded? ..then there is a risk that a ‘glossy shiny mint looking lp can have (surface) noise.
If he says ply-graded then he should have mentioned it.
If they don’t mention how they grade, and i am spending hundreds of dollars i would ask specificly..
Besides that: 300 dollars for True Blue is a bargain, so something is wrong with the lp or the seller doesn’t know what he has sold..
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:21 pm
actually the surface noise competes with the music in all but loud parts
August 3rd, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Deal or No Deal
I recently acquired a original of True Blue that looks vg++, label has many spindle marks and plays with continuous surface noise just under the music. I only paid 300 but I didn’t know how it played when I bought it. cover is near mint.
did I over pay? I don’t know whether to return it or not. any thoughts?
August 1st, 2010 at 3:46 pm
There is some amazing jazz collectible pieces on ebay under the name bookcrates…I emailed the seller and had a wonderful diologue about how he acquired the items…including a rare Dolphy autograph…definately check it out…the story and signed letter to him (at 15) by Charles Mingus is well worth the look!
July 31st, 2010 at 9:33 am
Could that be her on the jack sheldon w/ zoot sims jazz west album? I absolutely love that album cover.
July 28th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Dave: Peggy is on the cover of World Pacific Hi Fi Sampler HS-2 entitled “Music for both ears”.
Cover art by William Claxton.
July 28th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
I read somewhere that it was a whole lot cheaper for them to get wives and girlfriends to model versus paying for professionals.
Probably also kept Mrs. Lion happy too.
July 27th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
i think that happened regualary in those days.. the model on ‘moods’ by the 3 sounds (bn4044) is ruth mason, the wife to be for Alfred lion if i am correct…and aren’t there lot’s of wifes and girlfriends of miles davis on his own covers….(ESP i know of..)
July 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Saw a great documentary (“Jazz Sees”) on Ovation cable on the jazz photographer William Claxton. Had a some great access and relationships with some key players like Parker and Baker. The documentary was from 2001 and he died in 2008 I believe.
They had some scenes of him and his common law wife, Peggy Moffitt. I’m like, she looks familiar, where have I seen her before? Seems she was the cover model for Lou Donaldson’s Alligator Bugaloo back in the 60s.
July 24th, 2010 at 5:49 am
yesterday the dutch jazz composer and player Willem Breuker died in Amsterdam at the age of 65.
He was one of the most importend dutch/european jazz composer of the last 50 years, someone who dared to do things different, not in line with the traditional (american) (be) bop ideom. Someone who listened a lot to Avant-garde, Schonberg and Mahler. He created the ICP (instant composers pool) together with Misha Mengelberg and Han Bennink.
After that he formed the Willem Breuker Collectief (of wich Garry Giddens wrote: “by God, this is a band you must see!” ) and the record-company B.V.Haast.
He was one of the founders of the ‘Bimhuis” the most famous and interesting jazz club in holland,still going strong.
A man who did things in his own way and trying to be original.
Altough i am much more a traditionalist then he was, i appreciated his work always because he was needed and he had a hart for music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u60JyAFYe_M
July 19th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
In response to Robert Orenstein’s question re: The 9M in the runoffs, here is a quote from some of Larry / Fred Cohen’s research:
“9M appears on the Masters and very rarely just the stampers in the specific case of McLean 4024 (NOT a function of the Master though I always assumed they were!) of early Blue Notes 12” LPs and some 10” LPs too, usually at 3:00 in the runoff, when the catalog number is viewed in its usual 6:00 position. Fred Cohen speculated that this is an identification of Mastercraft , a mastering company. Prestige Records sometimes have a 7M so it could be a “meta” code, not referring to a record company but back at the manufacturing level. The significance of the 9M still remains is a mystery.”
July 19th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Al- I had a second look on the pictures and you may be right. Maybe the lucky winner is out there reading this and we will find out in a few days when he receives his record.
July 19th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Jan — when I look at the picture, especially the one of the label enlarged, it looks like a deep groove pressing to me.
July 19th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Al- you published twelve tips to collecting Blue note some time ago.
Under point five it says “if you find a title earlier than 4059 with only one or No deep groove …….. this is a later pressing.”
The pictures do not show a deep groove.
July 19th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Robert: you say 9 M, why not 6 W ?
Your question remains very valid anyway.
July 19th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Jan — what is it about the Paul Chambers listing that makes you think it is not an original? It definitely looks like one to me.
July 18th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
possibly a Liberty pressing with early label on it. doesn’t look like deep groove which an original would have. no mention of ear either.
July 18th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Jan: in my view this PC album from “donhorsto” is an original first pressing.
July 18th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Does anybody understand why this record is getting these high bids ?
It is not a first pressing isn t it ?
http://cgi.ebay.de/PAUL-CHAMBERS-QUINTET-BLUE-NOTE-UNPLAYED-47W-63RD-NYC-/350372754565?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5193d7f485
July 17th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Another inquiry concerning Blue Note minutiae. I’m attempting to weed my collection and it’s next to impossible to get rid of my “babies”. However in light of this herculean task I’ve come across Blue Notes with what appears to be “9 M” in the runoff. Please explain its significance.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
I have an LP by Chaney Scott titled “Sings Billie Holiday”.
Arock label 1001. Have you ever heard of her?
I was also looking at The Prestigee Labl link and noticed that #170 is missing. It is an early MJQ 10″.
July 8th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Maarten: that is an interesting question, which I asked myself on a number of occasions.
I don’t have the Artone pressings, but I do have Metronomes. The markings in the dead wax of the Metronome pressings are the same as in the US pressings (RVG and Prestige catalogue number).
The conclusion must be that they flew over a matrix from the US in order to press in Europe.
My Vogue pressings of Blue Notes don’t have the same markings in the dead wax as the US originals. So they followed an other route, since Vogue apparently made their own matrix, without RVG and the Blue Note catalogue number.
Anyone around to shed some light on this???
July 8th, 2010 at 11:23 am
a question. I have some dutch pressings of prestige (manufactured by Artone-holland), most of them from the ’60. Some have the “RVG” ‘handwritten’ in run-out (Tenor madness- S.R.) , some have machine-stamp “RVG” or “vangelder” .(kenny burrel quintet/coltrane)..and the PRLP number
The same with the Danish “Metronome” label. I have “workin” and “relaxin’ (miles davis) on Metronome with RVG.I think these are late ’50 pressings.
. Does this mean Artone/Metronome would get a copy of an original stamper or where they pressed in the U.S? Rudolf mayby? The sound is exellent..Thanks
July 6th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Arne Domnerus – Antiphone Blues Lp (Proprius 7744). I have this lp, with the white cover with golden lettering. Does anybody know if this was ever reissued with this cover? The runouts mention PROP 7744 A CR GP 2 and PROP 7744 B CR GP 1. The labels are red and white. Is this an original 70s pressing or a reissue?
June 28th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Maarten: since you are a photographer, Jazz Record Centre has got photos for sale by Jim Marshall. Starting bids at $ 29,500.00!
June 28th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
mayby some of you have already seen this, but for those who haven’t: i listen to 50 and 60 jazz, but sometimes i listen to the genius of the eighties..i stumbled on these 2 video’s …
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-SHuHCrsU0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U93StFul0HU&feature=related
June 28th, 2010 at 6:32 am
Epic: as a cheap sublabel of Columbia, Epic was not really considered to be on the top. They produced some nice albums though: Horace Silver, Phil Woods, the Rhythm Section etc. The so-called radial labels, fetch much more than the plain yellow/black labels.
June 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Epic Label Jazz: Why do these (yellow and black label) seem to generate high bids on eBay?
Are they very rare/limited original sales?
I am always surprised by what these go for.
Thanks.
June 27th, 2010 at 7:33 am
..Rudolf, If you don’t mention the tiltles, then i can go on thinking i already had those albums:-)
June 27th, 2010 at 3:40 am
Maarten; It is a pity, just sold 4 Blue Notes (Lex/47W63).
June 26th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Rudolf: just saw the hint you gave, but i’m too late.Hope you made a nice price. I must say i am focussing on Blue Notes, to keep it all a bit sane…
If you have BN’s for sale i am always interested.I collect up to liberty presings and japanese…But thanks for your considerations regarding Booker..
June 25th, 2010 at 2:38 am
Maarten, some time ago you wrote you are digging Booker Ervin.
I have one for sale on EBay. Search under seller “fiftiesjazz”.
June 17th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Great idea Rudolf,
I am interested in the vogue label becuase there are some very nice recordings, but there is very little information about it.
June 17th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Most of you here are familiar with Euclid Records on eBay. This week our local St. Louis alterna-rag has a featurette interview with Euclid owner Joe Schwab. No talk of jazz in it but thought some of you might be interested in reading. find it here.
June 17th, 2010 at 7:40 am
O.K. I will do that. Please give me your email adress.
June 17th, 2010 at 5:45 am
Hello, Rudolf. If you would rather do your treatise on French labels as a post, just send it to me in an email and I will put it on the site as a Guest Column. This way it will be easier for people to find it when they do searches. — al
June 17th, 2010 at 3:23 am
Hello my dear friends. I wish to make a small contribution in the coming days on a French label, Disques Vogue, Paris.
Subjects to be treated:
-the role played by Vogue for the spread of American Jazz in Western Europe;
-their bold iniative to send Henri Renaud to the Apple to organize recording sessions;
-their courage to record local European talent;
-their role in supplying major US jazz labels with leased Vogue material.
So I will be back soon.
June 8th, 2010 at 10:45 am
I find new posts on the top easier to handle
June 7th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Sorry Al, I’m with Aaron on this… The wife is monopolizing the laptop yet again and I am scrolling on my iphone. It takes awhile to get down to the bottom of the forum and I am all thumbs ! Any thoughts on that suggestion to put a date button at the top to switch between oldest to most current postings similar to the price guide ?
June 7th, 2010 at 12:54 am
I for one vastly prefer the original style with the new posts at the top. It feels counter intuitive to me to scroll to the bottom for the most recent material. Anyone else?
June 5th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
I have a large collection of DownBeat magazines dating from 1940 thru 2009 with some years hard-bound, most years complete, all in good condition. Would like to sell complete collection.
I live in Maryland.
June 5th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Gregory,it sounds like you’re looking for a price that can generate some interest for an auction-type sale? If that’s the case,I’d probably have a starting price of $250 or so,with the expectation that bidding could take it over the $300 mark. Too low,you think? Well,the problem with this kind of sale(the ” A to Z” type)is that unless you’re hoping to sell to a complete novice,people generally have a good number of those discs. I mean,that’s why the word “essential” is one so easily applied to the Blue Note cataloque. If your list includes a lot of post-70,Blackbyrds type funk,the demand for cds may be somewhat less. Just my 2 cents.
June 2nd, 2010 at 9:14 am
Gregory – my best guess based on past experience when selling to a store is $3-4 per CD.
June 1st, 2010 at 9:50 am
Help wanted ! Can someone help a brother out please? I am in search of a reliable source to place a value on my Blue Note CD collection. I know…I know….I muttered the word CDs, not vinyl.
I have over 100 Blue Note CDs, mint condition, original cases and cover art, discs are unblemished-no scratches-no problems. You know the deal…I have Blakey to Byrd, Henderson to Hubbard, Shorter, Hancock, etc. Is there someone who can place an estimated value per CD, and/or for the whole collection of 100 CDs? Any help is much appreciated.
May 26th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Happy 84th birthday (anniversary) Miles…
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:26 am
Good idea, Japhy. Can’t help you on Chet Baker, but I have a copy of True Blue that could use a cover. Anyone out there?
May 22nd, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Topic: Cover Request. Total shot in the dark but can’t think of a better place to ask. By any chance does anyone have an extra cover for Pacific Jazz 1224 – Chet Baker & Crew? I’ve got the vinyl but no cover. I figure if you guys are like me you wind up with your fair share of covers missing their vinyl so I figured it was worth a shot to ask! Of course I will pay, or perhaps I’ve got a cover you need! Thanks.
May 21st, 2010 at 8:09 am
I have a question for you 78 experts. What is the difference between the Blue Label and Black Label Vocalion releases? My assumption is that the Blue labels are reissues. Any thoughts?
May 20th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Hi everybody. I am listening to The Cannonball Adderley Qunintet in San Francisco. This is one of the Riverside LP’s I purchased from Al. This was recorded live at the Jazz Workshop in 1959. Absolutely terrific album! Al, many thanks for parting with this one. Riverside is just a great label, and was previously unknown to me until last year (I am a Verne, Impulse and Prestige nut.)
May 19th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Perhaps someone can do a mini-review of some dates on which Hank Jones was featured? Such a class act,and never a wasted note! I think Gil Noble had an informative interview with him many years ago on “Like It Is”. Hope to see that again…
May 17th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Had just read Don Lucky’s news re Hank Jones when the BBC did a short obit on the 6pm news (Radio 4) Glad he’s getting his due props.
May 17th, 2010 at 10:47 am
FYI today would have been Jackie McLean’s 78th birthday…
May 17th, 2010 at 10:45 am
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just heard that the great pianist and composer Hank Jones passed away in New York yesterday at the rip old age of 91… He will be greatly missed.
May 16th, 2010 at 1:57 am
I just picked up a second pressing (Verve Inc. T-label) of Billie Holiday’s “All Or Nothing At All” and noticed that the spine printing is just like a Columbia album with 14 horizontal lines after the title and the “Lp” logo above the catalog number. Are they all like this and does anyone know why?
May 13th, 2010 at 3:30 am
Geen dank Jan, I was happy to share my experience, and I am glad you enjoy.
May 12th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Rudolf I am listening to Miles Davis on Philips at the moment.
I got a mint- copy on ebay for Euro 28 and the sleeve and of course the mucic are really gorgeous !
Many thanks for your advice/recommendation.
Jan
May 11th, 2010 at 1:12 am
hello, I have for sale a very rare record from the beginning of ’50 MILES DAVIS “s’il vous plait” arrang by J. Lewis, with G. Mulligan, Max Roach , Lee Konitz and Miles . This record is from Capitol. Only one title on this record 10 inches. This record is certainly a private recording.
contact ( France) md.arbonne@yahoo.fr
regards
May 9th, 2010 at 4:24 am
Aaron: I would guess tha the grey label with the musician is the original. I know of later black labels in the 4000-series. The 14000-series came originally with the grey labels.
n.b. the stereo series for both were resp. 5000 and 15000.
The 4000-series is one of the more neglected parts in late fifties jazz. Art Farmer, Golson, Thad Jones, C. Fuller, Cecil Taylor, Mingus, R. Weston, Bob Brookmeyer, Booker Little, etc.. Fantastic and well recorded.
May 8th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Aaron Says:
I ask this a few weeks ago to no response so I’ll try again. I’ve seen early issues of Bill Evans & Jim Hall’s Undercurrent with different labels, some have the gray United Artists Jazz label, like my copy, and others with a standard black United Artists label. Is one an earlier pressing or were they just from different plants?
May 8th, 2010 at 5:11 am
READ: “SEEM”
May 8th, 2010 at 5:11 am
I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN GREY LABELS AROUND. I SAW ONE ON EBAY FOR # 36070. THEY ARE RARE AND SEE TO BE ORIGINAL.
May 8th, 2010 at 5:04 am
Hi, Vincent. I looked at my copy and the label is blue. Not sure about the grey label but somebody out there should have an answer.
May 7th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
I have recently received a copy of the James Moody record “The Moody Story” on EmArcy (MG 36031). It is a typical EmArcy, with the Blue writing on the back cover and with the drummer on the label, but the label on the record is grey instead of blue. Anyone know what this means? Thanks,
Vince
May 6th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Thanks for looking into that one for me Rudolf. (Greatly appreciated as always !)
Unfortunately my copy of this classic LP came with a new sleeve so there I can’t use that as a possible tell at the moment. I checked Popsike and ebay to see what other variations have been up for sale, but based on my findings so far, if there is a black label variation, it could be quite a rare find.
Let me know if you ever come across one in your travels. Thanks again !
May 6th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Japhy: I had a look: there are at least 5 original 8246 albums with the trumpeter label. I saw 2 “Blues in Time”, which is a re-issue. The second T-version of 8246 is not around at the moment. This is the one with one violet/rose front cover picture of Gerry and Paul. ry to get one of the original 8246 albums. They are gorgeous.
May 6th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Thanks Rudolf. Yeah, if you peek at eBay you’ll see both covers, and while the titles are different, the session is the same. Yet another in the long line of mysterious cover changes for reissues.
May 6th, 2010 at 2:19 am
Japhy: Mulligan/Desmond Verve 8246: I only know the multi coloured sleeve 2 portrait sleeve with trumpeter label and a violet coloured photo sleeve with the T label. Black and white is new to me.
May 6th, 2010 at 2:16 am
Don Lucky: I asked myself the same question. I have a bull’s eye 1317, but my 1327 has a green stereo label, so I would have thought that a black label exists there too. The inner sleeve of 1327 ends with catalogue number 1327, so it is a first pressing. My 1317 inner does not seem to be the original. Have you got one? I think the clue is to be found there. Please check yours, of 1317 I mean.
May 5th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Well heck, always check eBay first! Someone is selling a sealed “T” press (inner bag sealed) with the black and white sleeve. If this is a sealed “T” press why isn’t it in the Verve paper inner sleeve? So confusing…
May 5th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Any of you cats know which is the original cover for the Verve side “Gerry Mulligan Meets Paul Desmond”? I have a black and white one with just their heads and a color one that’s a split screen sort of thing. I assume the former is the first but it has a Verve “T” label LP while the color has a trumpet label LP. I wonder if they got mixed up. I only want to keep whichever is the first. Thanks for any help!
May 1st, 2010 at 10:25 am
Does anyone happen to know which Atlantic label is the first pressing for Ornette Coleman’s -The Shape of Jazz to Come 1317 ??? I have a DG bullseye copy now, but I am wondering if this one was ever pressed with a black DG label as well ?
April 30th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Please, could anyone help me to determine the value of this antique 78 rpm record? It is from the early 30-ies, German production, I think…
Brunswick:
Don Redman and his Orchestra
I got rhythm/Hot and anxious
Here are the photos of the labels:
http://i43.tinypic.com/359a7uq.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/fm2hqp.jpg
Thank you!
April 27th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Erich: Kenny Drew made 3 duo albums with Wilbur Ware for the Judson label, an affiliate of Riverside (in 1957), with music from Broadway shows. A real gas was his trio album RLP 12-249 with Wilbur Ware and Philly Joe, also recorded in 1957.
April 26th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Erich if you are looking for more great music from Kenny Drew keep looking for Sahib Shihab “Sentiments” on the Danish Storyville label. Kenny Drew is a sideman there and the music is wonderfull.
April 26th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Rudolf, thanks for the added information. Very helpful as always. It’s great to have so many great jazz piano players to listen to.
April 26th, 2010 at 6:00 am
Erich: RLP 12-224 is an absolutely gorgeous album. The problem is that there were so many similar fine pianists in the same Bud Powell vein (Sonny Clark, Hampton Hawes, Lou Levy etc, etc.), whereas Bill Evans had developed something excitingly new. Moreover he had had his stint with Miles, which gave extra publicity.
Bill and Kenny were both Riverside artists at the time, so, theoretically, they had the same commercial backing from their recording company.
April 25th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Hi everybody. I just listened today to Kenny Drew, Trio (1956) for the first time. Great album, and the track “Ruby, My Dear” was terrific. Could somebody let me know why he was never as popular as Bill Evans? I know he moved to Europe in 1961, but was that the only reason? Also, why did he record so few albums? I need to spend some time listening to some of his albums. Thanks, Erich
April 24th, 2010 at 3:18 am
I’ve seen early issues of Bill Evans & Jim Hall’s Undercurrent with two different labels, some have the gray United Artists Jazz label, like my copy, and others with a standard black United Artists label. Is one an earlier pressing or were they just from different plants?
April 18th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Removing people’s names & other marker related atrocities from documents, or classic LP’s is really tough. Architects have long used a variety of methods to “correct” drafting mistakes made on mylar / vellum drawings back in the days before AutoCAD with a variety of techniques involving a vast array of erasers available, but often resorting to the blunt top edge of an ‘x-acto’ knife blade, as a great non-invasive “scraping” tool in combination with a soft eraser to remove the unwanted ink line. Even the use of black Ultra-fine (+600B) silicon carbide (wet/dry) sandpaper can work wonders if you don’t mind dulling the glossy finish on some surfaces.
One thing I have had moderate success with is nail polish remover… Note: This method is not for the faint of heart… BE EXTREAMLY CAREFUL with this stuff as one drop will eat through the glossy surface on the front of an LP or smear the printing / liner notes on the back !
Before I continue further, you may want to reconsider attempting this method of removal and just leave your LP as is… You can really #@$% up a perfectly good cover and make things much worse in the process, trust me.
For those of you who have tried everything else, but just can’t sleep at night knowing that there is marker on that otherwise fine LP in your collection, I recommend just buying another copy. Otherwise, attempt the following technique AT YOUR OWN RISK…
First, mask off the entire lp except the area of marker removal… Put a small drop of nail polish remover on the end of a Q-tip far away from your LP, let it evaporate a bit so it doesn’t drip in transit.
Second, gently rub it in a circular motion over the marker. Do this in light stages and with any luck it will dissipate the marker gradually.
I have tried this with some success on water marks as well. Ideally, this method will be most successful if you haven’t already worn down the original surface with erasers, as the paper can start to lift and bulk like that of wet toilet paper after awhile if you make the surface too damp…
Generally speaking, if I really need to get that marker off, and don’t mind dulling the surface finish, I prefer the ultra fine silicon carbide sandpaper in moderation for a safe even surface removal… Again, be careful with this stuff as it can take more than the surface finish off, especially on the later Blue Notes, as there is less surface gloss on the LP covers.
Tip: For all you autograph hounds out there, I have often used the ultra fine sandpaper method above to prep the front of those early high-gloss LP’s prior to getting them signed by the artist, as you can in fact rub off a “Sharpie” marker signature signed over a high gloss finish…
…Good luck and be careful !
April 18th, 2010 at 1:45 am
Japhy,I’ve not tried the light bulb application,but a hand held hair dryer can-and has-had an impact.Now,if I could just figure out how to remove magic marker off the covers…
April 16th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Thanks Jason. I’ve not tried heat before, but sounds like it’s worth a shot! Obviously the whole sticker thing is easier on laminated jackets, where I’ll typically just apply some type of solvent and let it sit for a few minutes.
April 14th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Japhy – I’m not familiar with the Status stickers, but this has worked for me on other stickers(though you may have already tried it with no luck): Remove the vinyl and try heating the sticker to loosen the adhesive. I find a minute or so in close proximity to a light bulb usually does the trick.
April 9th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Topic: Removing “Status” stickers.
Over the years I’ve painstakingly removed all kinds of stickers from LP jackets, usually with decent success. But the ones that I’ve never had any luck with are the “Status” stickers stuck on original New Jazz covers. I don’t know what they used for adhesive on those, but it won’t budge.
I have many records that could magically become New Jazz first pressings (with the purple label vinyl) if only I could get the Status sticker off the front!
Anyone care to share their top secret techniques?
April 7th, 2010 at 1:07 am
Geraint, thanks for the info!
April 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Aaron: 4226 Don Cherry Complete Communion was the highest cat. no. pressed by Plastylite, i.e. with the ‘ear’, although apparently the last two they actually pressed were 4221 Larry Young Unity & 4169 Lee Morgan Search for a New Land.
Also, the following pre-4226 titles were pressed after the sale to Liberty & therefore have no ear: 4118 DonaldByrd – Free Form
4171 George Braith – Extension
4193 Art Blakey – Indestructible
4196 Freddie Hubbard – Blue Spirits
4203 Andrew Hill – Andrew!!
4204 Dexter Gordon – Gettin’ Around (apparently a test pressing of this around with ear)
4206 Sam Rivers – Contours
4209 Hank Mobley – Dippin’
84212 Lee Morgan – The Gigolo
4213 Bobby Hutcherson – Components
4215 Jackie McLean – Right Now!
4217 Andrew Hill – Compulsion!!!!
4218 Jackie McLean – Action
4219 Wayne Shorter – The All Seeing Eye
4222 Lee Morgan – Cornbread
April 6th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Does anone know if Blue Note 4235, Jimmy Smith’s “Bucket”, was ever pressed with the Plastylie “ear”? All of the original New York copies I have come across have VAN GELDER but no ear. Thanks!
April 6th, 2010 at 5:50 am
Hello! Sorry if a missed a place to leave this message, but I really don’t see to put it else.
However, I have to handwritten-typed lyrics booklets possessed by Walter “Fats” Pichon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fats_Pichon
before one half of a century. The first booklet is titled: “Ditties and parodies, collected from all part of the United States for Walter “Fats” Pichon.” It seems that someone else handtyped this booklet for him. The other booklet is his personal lyrics-diary. About 50% is handwritten and 50% is typed. A lot of writing seems to be his personal works, mostly parodies and some lyrics. There is, for example, a “Bluberry hill”, “Only you”, “Deep Purple” etc. and his parodies on them, and lot of less know and, maybe, today forgotten songs.
There is a really lot of original lyrics in this 2 leather hardcover notebooks…
Here is a example of the first notebook:
http://i42.tinypic.com/52cqbq.jpg
and here is 2 examples from the second notebook:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2lc7bzr.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/21kctjq.jpg
I would like to sell this notebooks to a real collector, so, if someone know some who will be interested in it, please, let me know. Thank you!
April 4th, 2010 at 6:17 am
Hey there Don. Originals are still deep groove at 9404. Sometimes on the reissues of mike & reel with no deep groove there is a date inscribed in the deadwax. Been studying the Riverside label variations but haven’t ventured far into the 400s yet. By the way great photos of Sonny Rollins. What an experience to actually meet him. I took my son to Chicago to see him a couple of years ago. Amazing.
April 3rd, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Good evening guys ! Thanks for all the feedback on my Riverside delema Maarten & Rudolf. You guys are correct, it is a stereophonic pressing, which I normally wouldn’t purchase, but this was a great price, and in excellent condition. As you may know, I am a sucker for any live recordings, especially the ones made at my favorite Jazz club in NYC, the Village Vanguard.
April 3rd, 2010 at 3:06 pm
this is a …..? jazz collection
golden oldies;-)
i sometimes play 78rpm records… it’s a totally different music experience…you have the feeling you are listening to history, more then when you play 33rpm..
http://cgi.ebay.com/14-000-lot-of-JAZZ-Blues-shellac-78s-pre-post-war_W0QQitemZ250605783966QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a5944cb9e#ht_16609wt_941
April 3rd, 2010 at 2:06 pm
don-lucky: these later Riversides can be rather flimsy, which does not mean they are not original. I have several of them which are definitely original AND flimsy. The first one which comes to mind is “A day in the City” by the Don Friedman trio. There are many more.
April 3rd, 2010 at 11:49 am
DonLucky:
i have a blue label DG RLP 404 and i think that is a original. You probably have a “stereophonic” (i think they have a ’9′ in front of orig. number and black label.
i have a montgommery black label riverside, 12-320, but it is french original, but thick vinyl.(although stereo, it is not on the label)
Isn’t yours a japanese.
I think all original riversides are thick (not flimsey) vinyl.
riversides are still cheap compared to BN and Perstige, and have great music
On RLP 404 i like “in your own sweat way” verry much.
April 2nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Hey guys,
Anyone know anything about Riverside Records ? I haven’t begun collecting these great LP’s yet myself, but I recently picked up a copy of RLP 9404 “The Cannonball Adderley Sextet In New York… The LP has a black label with silver lettering and a flat edge… No DG, and flimsey vinyl. All it says at the bottom of the label is Bill Grauer Productions Inc. New York City. One would expect an LP of this era to be a bit heavier. The back of the cover has the address 235 West 46th Street, New York City 36, New York… I suspect this is probably not an original pressing, what should I be looking for ???
March 30th, 2010 at 2:05 am
Jan/Maarten: needless to say that all pictures in the CD booklet are by Ed.
March 30th, 2010 at 2:03 am
Jan/Maarten: since you are amateurs of Jazz Photography, Ed van der Elsken should not be unknown to you.
I recently acquired the 3rd volume of jazz concerts recorded in the Concertgebouw. This one is the recording of the 1957 J.J. Johnson Quintet. The booklet has i.a. a tremendous picture of Elvin Jones with Wilbur Little.
The music is great (the only recording made during the group’s trip in Europe). Flanagan’s Over CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
was recorded in Stockholm one week before.
For information google for “Nederlands Jazz Archief”.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Topic: Reid Miles
For reasons not worth getting into, today I was looking at a copy of the Chicago album “X” (ten, from 1976). It’s the one that is designed to look like a Hershey bar. For reasons even more worth not getting into, I was reading the fine print in the liner notes and saw that the gatefold spread photo was shot by one Reid Miles.
There’s frustratingly little biographical info out there on the great Blue Note sleeve designer, and I was really surprised to see this photo credited to him.
Nosing around a little it seems he did some of the other Chicago LP photography from this era. Anyone know the story? Anyone aware of any other late-period work done by Miles?
March 27th, 2010 at 3:15 am
Jan: you made me discover this vol. 2 of Rita. Did not know it existed at all! For me the 2 of Rita are ex aequo. Art photography in the proper sense.
March 25th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Rudolf:I saw both covers on ebay today.I had not seen the Miles Davis cover before -it is really great.
And of course the Rita Reys cover even though I personally like the cover of Volume 2 better.
March 23rd, 2010 at 2:45 am
Jan/Maarten: for me, amongst the most captive covers to have been produced ever, are 2 Dutch Philips albums:
the Miles Davis Quintet
The Cool Voice of Rita Reys.
Miles is absolutely gorgeous on this cover. Philips France, under the same catalogue number, issued the album with a picture of Miles by J.-P. Leloir, not as striking as the Dutch IMO. The Dutch version was to be found in Germany and Scandinavia. I don’t know what the Brits had done, their own interpretation, or the Dutch model, for sure not the French, Entente Cordiale notwithstanding.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Thanks a lot for your advice.
I just had a look at the Birka Jazz archive and found a lot of interesting Lps. Great site!
Really nice cover art and interesting music.
I will look for some of the Lps on ebay over the next weeks.
Do you own or did you have the chance to listen to the disc Monterose live in Amterdam ?
Sounds interesting to me.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:47 am
JAN: the nice thing about phillips is that they have their own covers and photography
this is a nice site with some collectables from phillips.
http://www.birkajazz.com/archive/holland.htm
especialy the dutch jazz from the ’50 are nice collectables( wessel icke)
and don’t forget the dutch label FONTANA and CATFISH.
Dexter Gordon live in Paradiso,Amsterdam on catfish… realy nice.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:21 am
Maarten, I recently bought a very nice copy of Johnny Griffin Night Lady on Dutch Philips. It sounds great and I like it very much.
Do you know any other pressings from the fifties or sixties on Philips that you can recommend ?
Regards Jan.
March 19th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
just on another (blue)note..
ihave been listening to Cliff Jordan BN1565 now for a few days
and every time i think, how did i ever underestimate this record. Really a nice lp with verry tastefull musicmaking.. no over the top BN playing.
“not guilty” gives me a smile on my face the first second everytime, and the theme has a “parkerish hint to it, but without the frentic playing…
just a thought from not a music scolar;-)
March 19th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
http://music.shop.ebay.com/Records-/306/i.html?_nkw=blue+note&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282#item45f1abcb8c
there are some heavy biddings going on ebay- BN .
especially the 1540 and 1541 i like verry much.
Beautifull covers!, where F.Wolf’s photography isn’t to much swept away by reid miles’ fingers.
but way out of my price-league.
hopefully i see a second or liberty pressing one day in Amsterdam(NL) where i live.
March 19th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Thanks for the clarification on that LP address guys. That link below is an old favorite of mine as well, and certainly a useful resource for us aspiring aficionado… One thing I have heard from guys like Larry Cohn is that there are a few LP covers in that collection that are not originals, so it is always good practice to confirm the addresses shown on the back just in case.
March 19th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Great site Maarten. Shows 47W63 cover address up to 4021, & 43W61 from 4022 onwards; however there are 2 copies of Profile on popsike that state 47W cover address (no photos sadly)
March 19th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
i believe this site is pretty reliable, but not sure
he has al the BN covers front and back(incl.10″)
i believe only a few of the hundreds are not originals
http://www.gokudo.co.jp/Record/BlueNote3/nnblue2.html
mayby helpfull
March 19th, 2010 at 3:39 am
4018 is the last one I have with a 47W63 adress on the cover. I checked up to and incl. 4040. All that follow have the 61st St adress.
I did not check the labels, but know for sure that the 47W63 labels continued even beyond 4040.
March 18th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Here’s a case in point, start price of around $460 for NM vinyl & G cover: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mobley-Hank-Soul-Station-LP-Blue-Note-BLP4031-NM-G-196_W0QQitemZ350329784983QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item5191484a97
Regarding 47W63rd covers, I believe they began the same time as the 47W63 New York 23 labels, but don’t have enough original pressings to verify this. The latest pressing I have with this cover is 4020 Three Sounds Good Deal. I don’t recall having seen it on anything higher than 4022 Duke Pearson Profile. My copy of 4021 Kenny Burrell looks like an original cover but it has no address & the LP itself is a UA pressing.
Over to Rudolf, Michel, etc who no doubt have all the originals of this transitional period…
March 18th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Does anyone have an interesting theory’s as to why Hank Mobley’s classic LP ‘Soul Station’ is fetching well above average prices these days ? Is it really that rare an LP or just high demand ??
The other thing I have noticed about this one is that the majority of them have the 47th address on the Lp, but the 41sr address on the back of the cover… Does a cover with a 47th address actually exist, or is this the result of a company in transition between locations at the time it was pressed /released ?
March 17th, 2010 at 5:36 am
Erich — there was a copy of The Blues Book that sold for less than $10 on eBay yesterday. I should have posted a heads-up, but I’ve been busy. Sorry about that. Also, it is Ervin with an “E.” Here’s the link on The Blues Book:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260565915558&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_574wt_1143
March 17th, 2010 at 3:47 am
Erich: try to get “The Book Cooks” on Bethlehem. Fantastic interplay with Zoot, great Tucker bass and Dannie on drums.
March 17th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Al and others that have commented on Booker Irvin: I now have The In Between, Sounds of Inner City and That’s It! Terrific albums! I will try to pick up the Song Book and Others on Ebay. That’s for all of the comments and guidance!
March 17th, 2010 at 12:26 am
I will be in New York in August for the first time. I would love to have a list of record shops too !!
March 16th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Dear friends,
After 4 years from my last visit to NY, I’ll be back this may.
Could somebody gimme a jazz record shop list suggestion? Both lp and cd.
Thank’s a lot.
Best regards from Spain-
March 15th, 2010 at 8:02 am
this is one on ebay, with RVG
i thought i read in an interview with rvg that he also did classical recordings, but i can’t find it anymore
ARTIST NAME: GEORGE FEYER
TITLE NAME: ECHOES OF VIENNA
LABEL: VOX ECHOES RECORDS
FORMAT: LP
COUNTRY: USA
DISC CONDITION: VG++
COVER CONDITION: VG++
YEAR PRESSED: 1956
Catalog #: VX 25 250
OTHER INFO:original first press, mono, DEEP GROOVE, RVG STAMPERS.
INVENTORY NUMBER: 21-D-75
March 15th, 2010 at 12:56 am
RE:VOX-There was a demo record on the label which was essentialy an early “audiophile listening lp”. It had the drums of Kenny Clarke-as one of the few musicians featured-with “recorded by Dr. Rudy Van Gelder”(or something like that)prominently displayed on the cover! I don’t know if that’s the one on popsike,but I would love to know if one of the readers here has heard it.Any infp?
March 14th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Maarten made a very good point in suggesting 10″ albums should have a bigger value because they are more “original” than their 12″ re-issues. This is only partly true:
-many people don’t like the 10″ format, (EP’s even less);
-it is hard to find good quality 10″ albums, since (in the US a least) they mostly came without protective inner sleeves and they have been around longer, so more damage;
-often the 12″ re-issue give more music in the form of unissued takes or even new tracks (e.g. the 3 10″ Blue Note albums totalled 18 tracks; the 2 12″ reissue BLP’s (1501/02) give 23 tracks)
March 14th, 2010 at 11:11 am
MAX: i just saw that VOX is still existing
http://www.voxcd.com/index.htm
March 14th, 2010 at 10:30 am
VOX records was a classical record company if i’m right. They fused with Turnabout and Vangaurd records.
Van gelder did do classical recordings for vox (if i’m right he did alfred brendel beethoven cycle?)
George feyer was a classical pianist.
I don’t think they are valuable records… there is one on popsike for 25 dollars.
March 13th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
I hit up a thrift store having a St. Paddy’s day sale, anything green 50% off. Found a few gems, and also some VOX records. I had never heard of this label, but noticed they had RVG stamps and “Ear”‘s and DG’s. . The three LP’s I got were George Feyer, all in in mint condition. Does anyone know if these are worth anything beyond the music?.
March 13th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
First let me say that it is great to have Al back.
I recently found two copies of the Down Beat Record Reviews books, volumes VI and VII. They compile a years worth of record reviews from Down Beat. These contain the years 1961 and 1962. Really interesting and informative reading. Has anyone ever seen other years of these? A quick internet search turned up nothing.
March 13th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
maarten kools:
Hey… that’s a very suspicious label picture! Fortunately, the seller’s updated the posting to say that there isn’t an (R). I could be wrong, but the (R) pressings also have the “43 West 61st” address on the back cover.
Hope you win… it’s my sentimental favourite jazz album!
March 13th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Erich, there are some interesting
Wallington 10 inch copies on ebay now.
If you will search for Wallington france and rare you will find one of them,the seller and his other offers.
March 13th, 2010 at 11:19 am
..to be correct: He says an “original copy”..
March 13th, 2010 at 11:03 am
http://cgi.ebay.com/CANNONBALL-ADDERLEY-SOMETHIN-ELSE-GORGEOUS_W0QQitemZ160409871825QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item25592c65d1#ht_598wt_1167
this seller has a first pressing of somethin’ else he says, but shouldn’t it have no “R” ?
he doesn’t say anything about it and in the picture that part is conviniently hidden…hmm
there are also a lot of 10′ BN for sale now on ebay… but the prices are never as high as for 12″?
You could say these 10′ are older,really first pressings of certain albums and probebly fewer of them in the market.. what makes them less desirable than 12″?
March 12th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
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March 11th, 2010 at 6:12 am
Geraint: the seller you are referring to is serious, but a seller neverthelss. So, as a matter of fact, if this album has an ear and DG, he would have mentioned it. It is fair to assume they are not there.
What I don’t like is his way of making pictures: just a glimpse of the label pulled out, no details. For an extra 10 cts his gives a full label picture, showing all the weaknesses as well.
March 10th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Also to Erich (I think someone else mentioned this as well): Booker Ervin, The Song Book, Prestige 7318. This is the great one, IMHO. I also like Settin’ The Pace on Prestige with Dexter Gordon. And with Mingus on Blues and Roots. Well almost everything, but these are standouts.
March 10th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Hey, Erich. Which Wallington record? I have a real nice copy of Blue Note 5045 I’d be open to selling for the right price.
March 10th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
I keep getting outbid on George Wallington 10″ records. I have 4 in my set, and I am trying to get 2 more. When I bid yesterday, I was the high bidder at $60 with 6 hours left in the auction, and I bid $265 and still got outbid. Have to try again sometime……
March 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Here’s something I haven’t come across before: one side with RVG stamp in run-out & t’other with ‘Van Gelder’:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HORACE-SILVER-BLOWIN-THE-BLUES-AWAY-BLUE-NOTE-W-63RD_W0QQitemZ110505351347QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item19baa1d8b3
This is almost certainly a Liberty pressing in spite of 47W63 labels, as this seller always mentions ear/DG where present.
March 10th, 2010 at 10:43 am
p.s. – Anything good on e-bay lately ?
March 10th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Has anyone else ever noticed that there are certain sellers out there who have ways of inflating their own sales buy bidding against us with multiple “dummy accounts” they have set up for themselves ? I’ve seen this happen from time to time. Essentially, they bid against us until they just surpass your max, and then in the final moments, they wait for you to toss in one last desperate bid… That way they get the price they want or more… In the event that they win themselves, they will more often than not send you a second chance offer. (Sad but true…)
I certainly concur with the comments above regarding those “high-roller” collectors out there… After all, a fool and his money are soon parted right ? (As long as it doesn’t have an adverse affect on the prices for all us reputable +VG collectors out there.
Unfortunately, the catch 22 is we need to rake in those “high-roller” profits to buy more records ourselves… It’s a vicious cycle !!!
March 10th, 2010 at 12:20 am
Yes-”gog”,the strange,little known deity that all rabid lp collectors pray to-what did you think I meant?
March 10th, 2010 at 12:17 am
Personally,I think it’s ridiculous to spend that kind of money on records. Unless,of course,someone’s bidding on MY records,in which case it’s their gog-given right to do so!(I’m so ashamed…)
March 9th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Brubeck madness aside, I’ve been giving some thought to the overbidding phenomenon. I think we can all identify with the impulse to nab something in the moment even though we know it may only be a matter of weeks before we see it again. When you want something you often want it now. Add that thinking to someone for whom $700 is pocket change and you can see him simply bidding high to avoid wasting more time on ebay chasing down another one.
Not my kind of collector, personally. But whatever, let’em blow their cash on Time Out or… does anyone remember Al’s Kenny G link a few months ago?
March 9th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
well, just been doing a little digging – the guy who bought the Brubeck is the same guy who paid $1500 for Out To Lunch. You should check out his profile page: he claims to be a “Private Investigator… with a good ‘nose’ for sniffing out the bad guys!” Seems, that’s not the only thing he likes sniffing judging from his buying history…
March 9th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Don’t think there is much to do Geraint. At the end of the day, I guess the seller who “commands” 700 bucks for an everyday million-copy jazz LP doesn’t owe me or anyone an explanation. If I believe something is rotten in Denmark with his auctions (and I do), then I simply need to avoid his auctions and buy from sellers who don’t have such “dedicated” or insane buyer-groupies.
March 9th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Hear! hear!
…that original Town Hall didn’t sell – back on as a Buy It Now; sadly I don’t have a spare $999.99… maybe I should give that guy who can afford to splash out $700 for the Brubeck a buzz as he clearly has more cash than he knows what to do with…
(how are we to act on our suspicions – should we all write to ebay suggesting something fishy’s going on?)
March 9th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
…Off topic, I just wanted to send a Happy 80th Birthday to our friend Ornette Coleman !
March 9th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Noticed that feedback is starting to come in on the “Miracle Auction” a month or so ago that I first posted here and which gave us such special results as $700 for the Brubeck Time Out LP (of which currently only four or five original copies are available at your local Salvation Army bin dive). Looks like the same buyer purchased many, many of the LPs in that auction. Same buyer also left glowing, advertisement like feedback for the seller. I followed that buyer’s feedback and noticed he likes to buy from a very limited number of sellers and often buys an incredible percentage of such sellers’ total auction in one shot — from jazz to classical to Beatles to rock. Quite a broad range of interest for a buyer willing to pay way beyond market in the auctions. I know some like to subscribe to the theory that the seller who got $700 for a Brubeck LP has created a brand identity of accurate grading and good service and thus gets premiums. Personally, I am hard pressed to believe it all. Euclid and Fred Cohen have reputations beyond reproach and they garner no such premiums in their sales. Make of it what you will.
March 8th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
…All I can say about many of the recent large collections being auctioned off on e-bay is that you often get what you pay for. That being said, there are still a lot of great finds out there for people like myself who can appreciate the virtues of a fine +VG… But more often than not, I have been disappointed with what has arrived. You really have to read between the lines in those “descriptions” (I use the term loosely) of some of the lazier sellers out there. I recommend asking as many questions at the front end and do you homework before bidding… Trust me, check the photo(s) carefully, as it’s easy to make those rookie mistakes in the heat of battle ! I too am still guilty of the occasional “blind bid” once and awhile myself (You win some you loose some right !) I have noticed that more often than not, it’s the little things that they leave out, such as the address on the back of the LP cover or perhaps Side 2 might be different than Side 1 etc. etc. etc. I’m sure this is all par for the course for those seasoned collectors out there, but for some of us, old habits die hard ! I’ll admit, I’ve been burned more than I care to admit on the elusive water stains or marks that turn out to be nothing but mould !
…One lesson I have learned from all this is that “quality over quantity” is really the best policy for these Sunday afternoon LP “benders”. Happy hunting guys !
March 7th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Maarten- I have always checked out the auctions by the seller funkyou on ebay. Over the past few years, he has picked up some KILLER amazing collections but alot of the time, they are in VG+ kinda condition. But his feedback is outstanding and he probably deals with a lot of repeat business so his grading of vinyl is either on point or he is being conservative and the vinyl turns out to be cleaner than expected. But MAN does he have some choice jazz LPs ending as I write this post.
March 7th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Geraint,I may have to give UNDERCURRENT another listen,but one thing we can both say(I’m sure)is that the track “Den-tex” from “Back From The Gig”-if I remember the title correctly-is a KILLER! Absolutely powerful tenor voice from Booker,and nothing says it as forcefully as that track.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
I rather enjoy Undercurrent – you know from the first bar it’s a Blue Note record in the Silver/Messengers vein – beginning with the driving title track & ending with the romantic Ballade, I personally think it’s a well put together album.
I got started with Booker Ervin with the Blue Note BNLA ‘Back From The Gig’, consisting of Horace Parlan’s ‘Happy Frame of Mind’ (highly recommended) & an unreleased set, & went to on to collect his complete catalogue, love his robust, slightly leftfield playing – the Mingus stuff, the Prestige Book series, the Candid ‘That’s It’, love it all.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:56 am
SORRY WRONG ADRESS
this is correct:http://cgi.ebay.com/ERIC-DOLPHY-Outward-Bound-NEW-JAZZ-LP-DG_W0QQitemZ350322859648QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item5190de9e80#ht_3586wt_1167
March 7th, 2010 at 9:54 am
this guy has some interesting records for sale, don’t know his credibility…
wailing with lou, flight to jordan, dolphy outward bound.. although often vg+..
http://shop.ebay.com/funkyou!/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340#item5190dfab3f
March 7th, 2010 at 4:04 am
Maarten: the cover art for “Donald Byrd on Beacon Hill” was by Tom Wilson and Nick Dean. Nick did also covers for another Boston based label, Storyville.
My copy of the Mondriaan inspired
“Byrd Jazz” does not give any credits for the cover art.
My “Bird’s Eye view” is on Esquire and has a great English design, which was even in the Japanese cover art collection books.
March 6th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
indeed, i just saw the rest of his auction, some beautfull elpees, but unfortunaly out of my league..
especially the designs of the transition records are beautifull. Birds eye vieuw could be a reid miles.. does some one know who was the designer for transition. (it is not a label i see often in amsterdam,holland)
and the Monk plays duke… is also a beauty in design
March 6th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Our friend Fred Cohen has put an interesting batch of collectibles on auction with minimum prices of $ 1000 for some of the most sought after items (Transition – 3 Byrd LP’s and the Griffin mentioned by Maarten.
At least with Fred things are clear from the beginning.
March 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am
speaking of ‘starting bids’, here’s one: introducing Johnny Griffin
http://cgi.ebay.com/Johnny-Griffin-on-Blue-Note_W0QQitemZ300403748533QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item45f1756eb5#ht_500wt_1182
NM, but starting at s1000,- in popsike there is only one above 1000,-… or does this record lately sell easily for that price??
ps does anyone know how to post a picture here?
March 6th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Rudolf and Ceedee, thanks for your guidance on Booker. I am just starting to focus more on some east coast based artists, so I am a real novice here. I have focused on west coast jazz for 30+ years. My first jazz concert was when I was 12 and saw Cal Tjader (who I still love.) Thanks again! Right now, I am listening to Gary Burton/Chick Corea Crystal Silence, which I listened to when I was attending college in the 1970′s.
March 6th, 2010 at 4:27 am
Maarten:re: Undercurrent-I remember owning that one years ago,and if I can recall,the original compositions were pretty weak. Even with the strong line-up,I seldom heard anything I could sink my teeth into. I’m sure some others will recall it differently,but my take made it easily tradeable..which I did.I’ve never been one to hold onto LPs that are rare,yet not well done.
March 6th, 2010 at 4:18 am
Erich:I love Booker! Always fun to meet a new convert.Whether lp or cd,check out his “Songbook” release,with the great Tommy Flanagan on piano. “Our Love Is Here To Stay” has that joyous,life-affirming sound that BE was known for. And if you dig that-and you will-move on to Mingus-esp.Mingus’s Wonderland,where Ervin and John Handy lock horns. Good listening.
March 6th, 2010 at 4:08 am
According to Larry Cohn, the number of copies pressed for a first run is around 2000. The big selling albums (Smith, Silver, 3 Sounds) were repressed many times. Some very poor sellers were never reissued.
March 6th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Looks like the Brubeck bidders needed a time out. (sorry)
March 6th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Any experts wanna weigh in on Maarten’s query? IMO the listing is suspiciously vague. Were there any liberty pressings of this one? My guess is that those willing to drop the big dough will hold off for Euclid or some other reputable dealer. Then again, it’s at about 30 GBP… maybe worth the risk?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
cont. -lbum on Candid and a super one on Bethlehem “the Book cooks”. Enjoy! Booker is great.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Erich: Dig Booker on the numerous Mingus albums (Columbia, Atlantic, Impulse, U.A.) where he is featured abundantly.
He made a fine a
March 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Wow, what a great site, have just been reading for a couple weeks, and really appreciate the insight as well as the educated jazz community it offers.
As a fellow who nears completing the blue note library, it is interesting to hear the debate between original pressings and re issued lp’s. I for one do not mind re issues, especially classic records, and japanese king lps. And with the rising cost of BN originals, I have no choice, if I want to get to know the music.
Anyone out there have an extra copy of BN 4068.? (Willette Face to Face) Any version would be great… Great site will be reading alot.
My condolences on losing your mother….I can’t imagine. Dan
March 5th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
the question of how many copies were initially (or totally) pressed of collectible items is intrigueing. But if a seller claims that only 500 copies have been pressed in all, there is no reason to believe him, esp. if this information comes from the likes of our friend Bob Dj.
The only reliable source of information can come from contemporaries, who were closely associated with the production and marketing.
One of those rare birds is still alive: Ira Gitler. I met him once over lunch some 25 years ago. He just published a book on Prestige. Vide Marc Myers’ blog “JazzWax” of 4 March 2010. IMO Ira should be able to give valuable information. Only New Yorkers can volunteer and try to contact Ira.
Of course, the Brubeck “Time Out” is a disgrace.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Hi everybody. Right now I am listening to a terrific blue note liberty album, Booker Irvin, The In Between (1968.) A local jazz store I go to played part of this album, and it’s my first exposure to him. I pulled his discography, and he didn’t record that many albums. If folks out there have any favorite albums by this artist please let me know. Thanks, Erich
March 5th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
isn’t this one a steal?… or only whenn it has the one sided deepgroove? http://cgi.ebay.com/KENNY-DREW-UNDERCURRENT-60s_W0QQitemZ200443753327QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item2eab60f36f
Don-Lucky: i think it IS verry intresting to know about the numbers per pressing, also because sometimes i don’t understand the high prices of
perticular albums.
i guess it is not only the number of lp’s that there where made, but also how manny have been actualy
sold in the record stores in that time..
March 5th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
I am not 100% on this, but I have more than a few copies of Dave’s infamous Time Out LP. All my LP’s are DG, 6-eye copies, but one has the cover in “Bobby-D’s” listing above, and the rest are the standard letterbox MONO cover…
This could very well be the result of a previous owner pulling the ol’ “swicheroo” or could this be one of those multiple cover LP’s… I am leaning towards the multiple cover theory myself.
March 5th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
You all have noticed that it is not even a first press, of course…
March 5th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Well, Geraint, i do know it is Bob “the menace” DJukic listing…anyway, WHERE does those byuers come from ? From the moon ? – Nah, too much Jazz connoisseurs there. From Mars, maybe ? It is time to catch a specimen of them and to study him scientifcally, stating by the brain, of course. Search is opened !
March 5th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Michel: this looks like a bobdjukic listing if I’m not mistaken; he’s the seller (as Al has posted with some frequency) who seems to attract an incredible number of people to view his listings together with much irrational bidding..
March 5th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Talking about Ebay crazyness and all that jazz here’s someting that stands far beyond the crazy :
http://www.popsike.com/DAVE-BRUBECKTAKE-5TIME-OUTNM-ORIG-MONO-LP6EYE-LABEL/160387741201.html
I would like to have your opinion about that !
March 5th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
I am really not surprised at that BLP 1577 not selling at the minimum bid of $800… Don’t get me wrong, I love John Coltrane’s Blue Train. (It was the first jazz album I ever bought !) but in all honesty, even in pristine condition is really not that rare an LP as far as I know.
Does anyone out there know how we would be able to get more detailed pressing information on early Blue Note Issues ? Specifically, how many of each LP (per pressing) were originally produced for circulation? There really should be some reference out there for this to help determine value / rarity. For example, why would they only press 500 Hank Mobley 1568′s originally, versus… Oh let’s say John Coltrane’s Blue Train 1577 ? This goes for the Prestige label as well… especially between the NYC & NJ pressings… (Any idea on this Rudolf ?)
March 5th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Hi Al. You know a blind pianist of my country (Catalonia)…Tete Montoliu? He has very nice and collectible records… “A tot jazz 1 and 2″ “Piano for Nuria”
“Recordando a Line” …
March 5th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Al had made mention of one of these Ornette-Coleman-Town-Hall LP’s in his entry back on Jan 12, 2010… Entitled “More Updates: A $1,600 Cannon, Rare Ornette”
That last one sold for $987.00 and had 14 bids. (Item number: 290387068753)
The most recent posting (Item number: 350323320438) has a starting price of $999.99 and zero bids so far with a 3 days left in the auction. I agree with past comments about listing LP’s with a reasonable starting price instead of a reserve bid, but only if it is fair market value, some people are just way off the mark like that posting for the Hank Mobley 1568. (At least give us a sporting chance !)But I digress…
Either way, Ornette is such an acquired taste, but he is amazing live, and not to be missed if you ever have the opportunity. I saw him perform live
last year and his rendition of Bach’s Cello Suite #1 in G Major… Just incredible. Free Jazz, like fine art, can only be truly appreciated live my humble opinion.
March 5th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Rudolf: I think you are right, & even though he did sell 1568 at the start price of $3000, one can’t help thinking he could have got more for it if he’d started the bidding lower (it has sold for over $5000 in the past).
From a seller’s point of view I think it is the better/safer option & anyone who’s put off bidding just because it has a reserve, is cutting off their nose to spite their face.
(Incidentally, I am not an ebay seller, just a buyer)
March 5th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
as I mentioned the other day, the BLP 1577, offered at a minimum bid price of 800 dollars did not find a buyer. I think it is counterproductive to ask a high entry price. It scares off people.
Even if buyers don’t like reserve prices, it is the better way to let the bidding start.
Here, of course, buyers’ views are not necessarily the same as sellers’.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
I have not seen it on Jazz Collector before, but it was offered a few times on EBay. It is a rarity. I have the regular issue and am quite happy with it.
March 5th, 2010 at 11:31 am
I was doing my usual pre-weekend shopping on e-bay yesterday and came accross this little gem:
Ornette-Coleman-Town-Hall-ESP-Silkscreen-Review-Copy-LP with Original Inner sleeve & Press Release !
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Ornette-Coleman-Town-Hall-ESP-Silkscreen-Review-Copy-LP_W0QQitemZ350323320438QQihZ022QQcategoryZ306QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26ps%3D6%26clkid%3D8260179359239367719
Does it look familiar to anyone else ? I am pretty sure we have seen this one on Jazz Collector before… Still, it is always great to find “collectors items” like this on the market from time to time.